Carson: Theory Of Evolution Encouraged By The Devil

[WelshBloke]

Ok does life have a purpose?

What is it?

Whats the purpose of life from a religious point of view?

From what perspective are you asking? Personal? Biological?

 

[Retro Rob]

You're being circular. You're making the assumption that "purpose" means "Divine purpose." And I'm disagreeing with your assumption.

Ok, you're absolutely correct. I'm assuming purpose means "divine purpose".

If that's an assumption like you say, what exactly is a non-divine purpose to life itself?

I'm using "purpose" to mean "meaning." Life - my life, your life - has meaning independent of the supernatural.

Of course my life has meaning aside from any thing supernatural, as does yours -- that's good!

But the issue is not your personal life, it's life in and of itself.

What meaning does our very existence have, since you says it has one?

In other words, why do you exist?

 

[BxgJ]

The Discovery Channel does indeed suck, but it's not THAT bad. Hehehe. :awe:

Yeah I know :awe:

Really I just meant he apparently got a few snippets of information, like the description of the big bang as an explosion (expansion is much better), an incomplete description of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and something about multiple explosions (big bangs) over time (I can only guess he got this from some discussion of multiverse theory), and used them to deconstruct a theory that is incompatible with his beliefs. All of these bits of information are easily found by just watching those tv shows, no real research required.

And yet he attempts to speak as an authority on the matter, using language that may convince some who lack any real knowledge of the subject that he knows what he is talking about. :hmm:

 

[Charmonium]

Ok, you're absolutely correct. I'm assuming purpose means "divine purpose".

If that's an assumption like you say, what exactly is a non-divine purpose to life itself?



Of course my life has meaning aside from any thing supernatural, as does yours -- that's good!

But the issue is not your personal life, it's life in and of itself.

What meaning does our very existence have, since you says it has one?

In other words, why do you exist?

The meaning of life is pain and suffering - ask any Buddhist.

 

[Retro Rob]

The meaning of life is pain and suffering - ask any Buddhist.

I'll give you a thumbs up, in all seriousness...because your giving me an answer.

Seriously, thanks.

 

[WelshBloke]

Whats the purpose of gravity?

 

[WelshBloke]

Whats the purpose of mass?

 

[WelshBloke]

Whats the purpose of god?

 

[Paratus]

Ok does life have a purpose?

What is it?

Life's purpose is to propagate.

However since we have agency and intelligence, once we came along we could assign our own purpose.


Also you keep harping on Ptolemiec earth centered theory. I'll point out that for the most part it fit the observations and with epicycles it could accurately predict the positions of many of the objects in the night sky.

It wasn't until decades after Copernicus that heliocentric theory could better predict the movement of those objects AND the objects epicycles never could.

 

[Charmonium]

Life's purpose is to propagate.

However since we have agency and intelligence, once we came along we could assign our own purpose.


Also you keep harping on Ptolemiec earth centered theory. I'll point out that for the most part it fit the observations and with epicycles it could accurately predict the positions of many of the objects in the night sky.

It wasn't until decades after Copernicus that heliocentric theory could better predict the movement of those objects AND the objects epicycles never could.

That's probably what the antikythera device did and that's from Roman times. So it's easy to see why the Ptolemaic view persisted for so long.

 

[Retro Rob]

Life's purpose is to propagate.

Thanks, Paratus.

Shira, see...this is not a scary question...I was only interested in what you though instead of your needless dodging and avoidance.

 

[shira]

Ok, you're absolutely correct. I'm assuming purpose means "divine purpose".

If that's an assumption like you say, what exactly is a non-divine purpose to life itself?



Of course my life has meaning aside from any thing supernatural, as does yours -- that's good!

But the issue is not your personal life, it's life in and of itself.

What meaning does our very existence have, since you says it has one?

In other words, why do you exist?

I've already explained: "Purpose" = "meaning." Personal meaning. Nothing more.

You're equating "purpose" with "reason," as in "There's a reason for existence."

And of course, there is no "reason" for existence. There's no "reason" for anything.

When it rains, is there a "reason" that one raindrop falls on one square of sidewalk and a different raindrop fall on another square of sidewalk? If a trillion raindrops fall, is there a "reason" each specific raindrop falls in each specific place?

Apparently YOU think there's a reason. A reason for every point of space in the universe. A reason for every instant in time. A reason for every distinct thing - no matter how insignificant, in every moment, everywhere.

And I think such a belief is nonsense.

 

[shira]

Thanks, Paratus.

Shira, see...this is not a scary question...I was only interested in what you though instead of your needless dodging and avoidance.

No avoidance and dodging whatsoever. But you, apparently, are so afraid of a universe in which there's no "reason" for existence, that your mind cannot grasp that "Personal meaning is all there is" is what I've been telling you all along.

I wouldn't be surprised if you're still unable to understand that a person can be totally okay with the idea of a universe that has no "reason" for anything. So, of course, you'll continue to insist I'm being evasive.

 

[JSt0rm]

You're pretty deep into this shit huh? You should try to do some research beyond just reading the NRSV. Then you'll realize that your "sacred word" didn't become such until the early 4th century when a group of bishops were instructed by Constantine to come up with a consistent book of writings describing the Christian faith and the only reason Constantine gave a shit was because he was going to use the new religion to unify the empire. Constantine himself was a fucking pagan till the day he died. So "Christianity" existed for more than 3 centuries w/o "the word of god."

"If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity."
— Deuteronomy 25:11-12

 

[Jeff7]

Whats the purpose of god?

And who does God answer to?

Is God the highest in the hierarchy? Are there others that also like to create spacetime bubbles, while also assigning a lot of meaning to a single miniscule speck's most intelligent species?
If we answer to this creator, how do we know its intentions are good?
A sociopath can act friendly toward a potential victim for quite a long time if he's really patient. "No, I'm the good guy here. It's that other devil thing and your ancestors misbehaving that made all the bad stuff in the world happen."

Then 2000 years into the future, bam, he puts the Universe into a centrifuge to extract the unbihexium.



We employ millions of yeast cells for the relatively trivial task of producing carbon dioxide and alcohol in order to make bread. After putting them in an immense paradise of a loaf of food, we unceremoniously slaughter them en masse in an oven without a second thought.

...and humans are also good at making carbon dioxide and alcohol......:hmm:

 

[JSt0rm]

lol u all will be in oblivion in 100 years. The same place you have been the majority of time. You will just be returning to the norm of non existence. Please dont spend your precious time with robo rob.

 

[Charmonium]

"If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity."
— Deuteronomy 25:11-12

You do know I stopped reading your quotes a while ago, right?

I studied religion in college and not just Christianity. Until you've done that, it's easy to believe that the Abrahamic religions are the only way to view the world. Unfortunately most fundamentalists are afraid to explore other view points. Most people think that they're just too arrogant to do that but the reality is that it's fear that stops them. Because once they realize that there are other ways to view the metaphysical, it becomes that much harder to justify their own narrow beliefs.

So by all means, please keep those quotes coming. Every one gives me another opportunity to testify.

 

[Charmonium]

lol u all will be in oblivion in 100 years. The same place you have been the majority of time. You will just be returning to the norm of non existence. Please dont spend your precious time with robo rob.

Maybe we will. Maybe we won't. If you believe in a vengeful god, you've completely missed the point of the New Testament. Of course that's due in no small part to the writings of Paul, but then Paul wasn't Jesus, was he?

 

[Retro Rob]

You're equating "purpose" with "reason," as in "There's a reason for existence."

I believe there is a purpose/reason for life, which means the same thing in this context.

And of course, there is no "reason" for existence. There's no "reason" for anything.

How do you know this? Have you figured out how life originated?

Once you answer that, only then can you say existence has no reason.

But I respect your opinion.

When it rains, is there a "reason" that one raindrop falls on one square of sidewalk and a different raindrop fall on another square of sidewalk? If a trillion raindrops fall, is there a "reason" each specific raindrop falls in each specific

No reason for that, but it rains for a reason.

Apparently YOU think there's a reason. A reason for every point of space in the universe. A reason for every instant in time. A reason for every distinct thing - no matter how insignificant, in every moment, everywhere.

Huh? I think the earth and cosmos are configured the way they are deliberately to make life possible.

Me being born in the US, for instance, was simply a roll of the dice -- no reason behind it.

Coincidence.

 

[Retro Rob]

No avoidance and dodging whatsoever. But you, apparently, are so afraid of a universe in which there's no "reason" for existence, that your mind cannot grasp that "Personal meaning is all there is" is what I've been telling you all along.

I wouldn't be surprised if you're still unable to understand that a person can be totally okay with the idea of a universe that has no "reason" for anything. So, of course, you'll continue to insist I'm being evasive.

Lol afraid of a purposeless existence?

There is no such thing, as you so eloquently put it -- "life has meaning".

Lol

 

[shira]

I believe there is a purpose/reason for life, which means the same thing in this context.

How do you know this? Have you figured out how life originated?

Once you answer that, only then can you say existence has no reason.

But I respect your opinion.

No reason for that, but it rains for a reason.

Huh? I think the earth and cosmos are configured the way they are deliberately to make life possible.

Me being born in the US, for instance, was simply a roll of the dice -- no reason behind it.

Coincidence.

There you go again, shifting the definition of your words back and forth, mid post. Make up your mind about what definition you intend and stick with it.

By "reason" do you mean "the cause of a thing" or do you mean "the purpose of a thing?"

You say it "rains for a reason." Are you saying "There's a physical process that causes rain to occur?" If so, I agree.

Or are you saying "Rains occurs to satisfy a purpose?" If so, I disagree.

I don't believe that anything in the universe exists because of supernatural intervention. Nor nor do I believe that any naturally-occurring thing exists to satisfy a supernatural purpose.

 

[shira]

Lol afraid of a purposeless existence?

There is no such thing, as you so eloquently put it -- "life has meaning".

Lol

Are you afraid of a universe without divine purpose? You certainly sound like it.

To repeat myself (because apparently you have difficulty understanding):

Life has personal meaning for individuals.

There's no "divine purpose" for existence.

 

[JSt0rm]

You do know I stopped reading your quotes a while ago, right?

I studied religion in college and not just Christianity. Until you've done that, it's easy to believe that the Abrahamic religions are the only way to view the world. Unfortunately most fundamentalists are afraid to explore other view points. Most people think that they're just too arrogant to do that but the reality is that it's fear that stops them. Because once they realize that there are other ways to view the metaphysical, it becomes that much harder to justify their own narrow beliefs.

So by all means, please keep those quotes coming. Every one gives me another opportunity to testify.

Whats funny is you thinking I'm serious.

 

[shira]

Lol afraid of a purposeless existence?

There is no such thing, as you so eloquently put it -- "life has meaning".

Lol

You're playing games. You wrote earlier:

Ok, you're absolutely correct. I'm assuming purpose means "divine purpose".

This is your own, stated meaning of "purpose." Thus, when I say "purposeless" you know that what I mean is "without divine purpose."

You also know - because I also stated it - that I believe that life has "personal meaning."

There is no contradiction between "existence without divine purpose" and "existence with personal meaning."

 

[BoberFett]

Whats the purpose of gravity?

To keep me chained to this planet so I can torment all of you.