Carson: Theory Of Evolution Encouraged By The Devil

[JSt0rm]

retro rob is like a fly to shit with these threads. lol.

 

[Jaskalas]

Then that means the more we know, the less religious humanity is. The evidence points to the opposite, because we've gained TONS of knowledge, yet most people on the planet are still religious, many others believe in a higher power/God of some sort.

The basis of your argument couldn't be more wrong.
Mass Attendance Down 2/3 Since Last Papal Visit...

 

[Retro Rob]

The basis of your argument couldn't be more wrong.
Mass Attendance Down 2/3 Since Last Papal Visit...

This is where critical thinking comes in:

Are you sure those people missing for mass haven't joined another religion?

 

[Charmonium]

I haven't checked to see if you've been corrected on this, but "settled science" means a particular area of knowledge that's pretty well accepted to be true and is no longer the specific focus for active research.

But that doesn't mean that an area of "settled science" cannot be "unsettled." For example, it's "settled science" that particles cannot travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. But when the faster-than-light neutrino "anomaly" was announced, scientists didn't reject that result out of hand. Instead, they thoroughly investigated the experimental setup, and eventually discovered that a loose connection and a slightly-fast clock were the underlying cause of the erroneous result.

However, if after exhaustive investigation no error had been found, scientists would have been forced to come up with a better theory than special relativity, to account for faster-than-light particles.

Exactly. Even settled science isn't really settled. If he knew anything about scientific research he would know that but obviously he doesn't.

Take for example the standard model in physics. Settled science. Except everyone knows that there are still things the standard model doesn't explain such as the recent discovery that the idea of lepton universality may be wrong. Google leptoquark for a fun and interesting read.

 

[shira]

Seeing that evolution has much deeper moral and philosophical implications than scientific ones (like, evolution supposes there is NO GOD needed and thus, life has no purpose and no need to obey a Creator), there is plenty reason to make sure this theory holds.

Why do believers continue to confuse life "having a purpose" with life "having a DIVINE purpose?" And why do believers continue to insist God is a prerequisite for morality?

 

[Retro Rob]

Why do believers continue to confuse life "having a purpose" with life "having a DIVINE purpose?" And why do believers continue to insist God is a prerequisite for morality?

Ok does life have a purpose?

What is it?

 

[JSt0rm]

Ok does life have a purpose?

What is it?

dildos...

"You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them."
— Ezekiel 16:17

 

[shira]

Ok does life have a purpose?

What is it?

I believe that each person's life has a unique purpose, specifically meaningful only to that person.

Edit: Also, you didn't answer either of my own questions. Care to try?

 

[Charmonium]

Ok does life have a purpose?

What is it?

Is that your feeble way of trying to 'witness' to us? Because I know that you're not interested in an answer, well, other than the one you've already "found."

 

[JSt0rm]

Is that your feeble way of trying to 'witness' to us? Because I know that you're not interested in an answer, well, other than the one you've already "found."

"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. 'Go up, baldhead,' they shouted, 'go up, baldhead!'"

"The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces."
— 2 Kings 2:23-24

 

[BxgJ]

Carson seems to have gotten his information on the big bang theory by watching too many pop-sci shows on the discovery channel....

 

[Charmonium]

"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. 'Go up, baldhead,' they shouted, 'go up, baldhead!'"

"The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces."
— 2 Kings 2:23-24

Wow. Bummer. Will have to keep an eye out for bears, huh?

 

[Charmonium]

Carson seems to have gotten his information on the big bang theory by watching too many pop-sci shows on the discovery channel....

The Discovery Channel does indeed suck, but it's not THAT bad. Hehehe. :awe:

 

[JSt0rm]

Wow. Bummer. Will have to keep an eye out for bears, huh?

"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee."
— Matthew 5:29

 

[shira]

"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. 'Go up, baldhead,' they shouted, 'go up, baldhead!'"

"The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces."
— 2 Kings 2:23-24

This is an excellent example of why humanity needs God to define their morality for them. Because foolish humans might mistakenly have believed that murdering children for behaving like, well, children was an abomination.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I don't see any mention of Carson being a young earth creationist.

Criticizing/disbelief in evolution = silly.
Ignoring the entirety of the fossil record = really flippin' silly. I don't think Carson does that.

He's a 7th Day Adventist and they are creationists.

"Seventh-day Adventist world church President Ted N. C. Wilson forcefully asserted that life has existed on the Earth for only a few thousand years, not millions of years, as he opened an educators conference in Utah on Friday, and he said teachers who believe otherwise should not call themselves Seventh-day Adventists or work in Church-operated schools."

and

“As teachers on the campuses of Seventh-day Adventist academies, colleges and universities, and leaders in God’s church … hold firmly to a literal recent creation and absolutely reject theistic and general evolutionary theory,” Wilson said in his keynote speech. “I call on you to be champions of creation based on the Biblical account and reinforced so explicitly by the Spirit of Prophecy,” he said referring to the writings of Adventist Church co-founder Ellen G. White.

http://news.adventist.org/all-news/...-for-evolution-as-truth-in-adventist-schools/

So, unless you think that Carson doesn't actually follow the beliefs of his church...

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

this is where critical thinking comes in:

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[Charmonium]

"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee."
— Matthew 5:29

You're pretty deep into this shit huh? You should try to do some research beyond just reading the NRSV. Then you'll realize that your "sacred word" didn't become such until the early 4th century when a group of bishops were instructed by Constantine to come up with a consistent book of writings describing the Christian faith and the only reason Constantine gave a shit was because he was going to use the new religion to unify the empire. Constantine himself was a fucking pagan till the day he died. So "Christianity" existed for more than 3 centuries w/o "the word of god."

 

[Retro Rob]

I believe that each person's life has a unique purpose, specifically meaningful only to that person.

Edit: Also, you didn't answer either of my own questions. Care to try?

Of course, YOUR life can be purposeful, but that's not what I asked.

You framed your reply which insinuated life can have a purpose, just not assumingly a divine one.

I knew you'd balk at that question, as there is no non-divine purpose to life itself, because evolution via natural selection is purposeless.

You don't want to deviate from doctrine, I see.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Ok does life have a purpose?

What is it?

The sheer chutzpah of telling someone else that you know the purpose of their life, presumably better than they do themselves if their answer doesn't match yours.... The mind boggles.

 

[Retro Rob]

Is that your feeble way of trying to 'witness' to us? Because I know that you're not interested in an answer, well, other than the one you've already "found."

I asked a simple question.

 

[shira]

You're pretty deep into this shit huh? You should try to do some research beyond just reading the NRSV. Then you'll realize that your "sacred word" didn't become such until the early 4th century when a group of bishops were instructed by Constantine to come up with a consistent book of writings describing the Christian faith and the only reason Constantine gave a shit was because he was going to use the new religion to unify the empire. Constantine himself was a fucking pagan till the day he died. So "Christianity" existed for more than 3 centuries w/o "the word of god."

But we know for sure that the humans who set down the 100% unambiguous words of the various holy books down through history were all divinely inspired. So what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Charmonium]

The sheer chutzpah of telling someone else that you know the purpose of their life, presumably better than they do themselves if their answer doesn't match yours.... The mind boggles.

People like Bob have their own hidden agenda for believing the fundamentalist bullshit. Usually it's a fear of death or illness but sometimes it can be clinical depression or just a general sense of hopelessness. There are a lot of sad hopeless people out there and the fundies can barely keep themselves from creaming their jeans when they find one. It helps them reinforce their own misguided beliefs and let's them continue lying to themselves about the nature of reality.

 

[Charmonium]

But we know for sure that the humans who set down the 100% unambiguous words of the various holy books down through history were all divinely inspired. So what could possibly go wrong?

Exactly. I'm sure the Gnostic Christians were sure that they were right too, but who's ever heard of Gnostic Christianity outside of fairly narrow academic circles - no one. And why is that? Because the church brutally purged them over a couple of centuries. Christian love at it's finest.

 

[shira]

Of course, YOUR life can be purposeful, but that's not what I asked.

You framed your reply which insinuated life can have a purpose, just not assumingly a divine one.

I knew you'd balk at that question, as there is no non-divine purpose to life itself, because evolution via natural selection is purposeless.

You don't want to deviate from doctrine, I see.

You're being circular. You're making the assumption that "purpose" means "Divine purpose." And I'm disagreeing with your assumption.

I'm using "purpose" to mean "meaning." Life - my life, your life - has meaning independent of the supernatural. Not only that, I deny that there's a "divine purpose" to anything, for the simple reason that there is no "divine."

If YOU believe that YOUR life has no meaning independent of the existence of a God, I feel sorry for you.