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This is true. However in these days, it would seem that an artist's political view can trump all else.
True, but IMO that's more an "eye of the beholder" issue, not because the artists are doing anything different.

Somehow people were able to enjoy the music of Beethoven or Woody Guthrie without demanding their heads on a platter.
 

dawheat

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I enjoyed it through it wasn't as fresh as Thor Ragnarok - definitely felt more like a standard Marvel beginning story line.

I though the humor was enjoyable, there was actual character development, and the action was decent.

Not sure where all the SJW hate is coming from (or the hate on the scene where the family is reunited). There's nothing there beyond the fact that 2 of the 4 main characters in the movie are female.
 
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... but after the outrage at the fact that there were girls in Ghostbusters by self proclaimed right wingers, ...
You realize nearly all of that Ghostbusters 2016 "outrage" was trumped-up nonsense to get media buzz for a movie they knew was just all-around bad, right? The only actual outrage was over the manufactured outrage. I don't like how they glommed onto James Rolfe and excoriated him just because he said he wasn't interested in seeing Ghostbusters 2016. I think he had only seen the trailer or teaser. He was excoriated as a "misogynist" for simply not being interested in it or enthused about it. Sheesh! You should realize you were on the same bandwagon; eating up similar headlines; believing he and people like him were all "misogynist right-wingers."

From what I can tell, they started to promote this movie in a similar way -- but not to the same extent. Claiming "outrage" where there wasn't really any. Then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because some people (understandably) get pissed off when you tell them "the only reason you're not excited for _____ is because you're a privileged white male MISOGYNIST!" :rolleyes:

I'll probably watch when it hits streaming subscriptions. I haven't seen like half of the Marvel movies.
 
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I guess the author of this article didn’t see Terminator, Alien or watch an episode of Game of Thrones. Don’t understand why some insist on projecting politics on pop culture.
Alien is probably my favorite movie.

Aliens is pretty close and I can totally see why it would be the favorite for most people

Terminator kicked all kinds of ass.
"You're terminated, f*cker."

Terminator 2 is on par with Aliens for greatest action movie.

I absolutely love all those films.

Ghostbusters 2016?
I somehow got it in my digital library and I just don't think I'll ever watch it. The trailers were just...not...interesting...at...all.

I'm obviously a misogynist. Obviously.
 
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From what I can tell, they started to promote this movie in a similar way -- but not to the same extent. Claiming "outrage" where there wasn't really any.
Honestly, I think this movie actually lasted for quite a while without any real outrage. I was genuinely a bit surprised when I saw a random YouTube video presented me to me maybe two weeks ago about how Brie Larson hates white dudes. While I knew I shouldn't click on it lest I'd start getting TheQuartering recommended to me, my curiosity was too strong! Apparently, it had to do with Brie Larson talking at some event where she started going on about film critics. I believe she touched on points like the lack of diversity amongst film critics, and how the films sometimes aren't designed for said critics. (The movie in question that she referenced for the latter was the panned Disney movie A Wrinkle in Time.)

While I can see how people would get annoyed with yet another Hollywood star trying to spout rhetoric in a somewhat caustic way -- Mike and Jay touched on this in the Red Letter Media review of Captain Marvel -- I don't think it was really worth making a big deal over. I mean... there's nothing wrong with more perspective, but you can certainly suggest that in better ways that don't come off as denouncing someone's opinion simply because of their race and gender.

But yeah... that two-ish weeks of controversy did end up as publicity for the movie. The RLM video even showed how people were raising money to send under-privileged girls to see the movie. The Mouse appreciates your patronage. ;)

I'll probably watch when it hits streaming subscriptions. I haven't seen like half of the Marvel movies.
Keep in mind that Captain Marvel will be the first Marvel movie that is only streamed on Disney's upcoming Disney+ streaming service.
 
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Honestly, I think this movie actually lasted for quite a while without any real outrage. I was genuinely a bit surprised when I saw a random YouTube video presented me to me maybe two weeks ago about how Brie Larson hates white dudes. While I knew I shouldn't click on it lest I'd start getting TheQuartering recommended to me, my curiosity was too strong! Apparently, it had to do with Brie Larson talking at some event where she started going on about film critics. I believe she touched on points like the lack of diversity amongst film critics, and how the films sometimes aren't designed for said critics. (The movie in question that she referenced for the latter was the panned Disney movie A Wrinkle in Time.)

While I can see how people would get annoyed with yet another Hollywood star trying to spout rhetoric in a somewhat caustic way -- Mike and Jay touched on this in the Red Letter Media review of Captain Marvel -- I don't think it was really worth making a big deal over. I mean... there's nothing wrong with more perspective, but you can certainly suggest that in better ways that don't come off as denouncing someone's opinion simply because of their race and gender.

But yeah... that two-ish weeks of controversy did end up as publicity for the movie. The RLM video even showed how people were raising money to send under-privileged girls to see the movie. The Mouse appreciates your patronage. ;)



Keep in mind that Captain Marvel will be the first Marvel movie that is only streamed on Disney's upcoming Disney+ streaming service.
I watched the RedLetterMedia (Mike and Jay) review as soon as I received the subscription notification yesterday :)

I laughed in agreement when Mike emphasized that racial and gender diversity among film critics is "literally the LEAST important social 'issue' you could possibly imagine" (paraphrasing). Basically saying he doesn't feel there's much social and cultural significance in what he does. I enjoy watching them though :)

I tried to think of the names of any non-YouTube film critics (not dead) and the first name that came to mind is Armond White (a black man). Maybe because he's the only critic I agreed with on District 9 when it was released. If more women and ethnic men want to get into film criticism, there's really nothing stopping them from doing what Mike and Jay do on YouTube.
 
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This is a big part of my frustration with the SJW / left. Any disagreement from their world view paints you as a monster in their eyes. We had to like Ghostbusters 2016 because the cast was female. We have to like Captain Marvel because she's female. If we don't, we must hate strong women. Never mind the Alien / Terminator, WW movies that a large number of people liked. 'You can't like that performer! He said something potentially racist 20 years ago!' Some of them are every bit as reactionary as some of the people on the right. The tone they take in conversation is alienating many who, given the chance, might show themselves to be surprisingly sympathetic to their point of view.

Oh well.

You realize nearly all of that Ghostbusters 2016 "outrage" was trumped-up nonsense to get media buzz for a movie they knew was just all-around bad, right? The only actual outrage was over the manufactured outrage. I don't like how they glommed onto James Rolfe and excoriated him just because he said he wasn't interested in seeing Ghostbusters 2016. I think he had only seen the trailer or teaser. He was excoriated as a "misogynist" for simply not being interested in it or enthused about it. Sheesh! You should realize you were on the same bandwagon; eating up similar headlines; believing he and people like him were all "misogynist right-wingers."

From what I can tell, they started to promote this movie in a similar way -- but not to the same extent. Claiming "outrage" where there wasn't really any. Then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because some people (understandably) get pissed off when you tell them "the only reason you're not excited for _____ is because you're a privileged white male MISOGYNIST!" :rolleyes:

I'll probably watch when it hits streaming subscriptions. I haven't seen like half of the Marvel movies.
 
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The extreme left are no different than the nosy old gossip lady portrayed in the 80's movies. Just more dangerous because people actually listen to them. The real problem these days is people ahve too much time on their hands to be mad about things they don't need to be mad about. Yes, there are wrongs in the world. All kinds of them. Some of us are too busy with our own lives to care about what some guy said 10 years ago as a joke on social media. Some of us are smart enough to know when a movie looks bad. Blame marketing since so much money is thrown at it. If you can't convince me to see your movie, blame them, not me. It's their job to convince me the movie looks good regardless of who the star is or how bad it may be.
 
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This is a big part of my frustration with the SJW / left. Any disagreement from their world view paints you as a monster in their eyes. We had to like Ghostbusters 2016 because the cast was female. We have to like Captain Marvel because she's female. If we don't, we must hate strong women. Never mind the Alien / Terminator, WW movies that a large number of people liked. 'You can't like that performer! He said something potentially racist 20 years ago!' Some of them are every bit as reactionary as some of the people on the right. The tone they take in conversation is alienating many who, given the chance, might show themselves to be surprisingly sympathetic to their point of view.

Oh well.
You realize you're no better than those you denounce with your broad generalizations? Everyone just demonizes each other.
 
Jan 22, 2009
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My comments are due to frustration. I really have no desire to demonize anyone. I stated an opinion about AOC in ATPN and all a guy could do in response was claim that I didn't like prominent women. SMH. It's stuff like that that frustrates me. I've seen people raise legitimate concerns about the y'all come, open borders attitude and did it in a pretty neutral manner and all they got was accusations of hating brown people and was called a xenophobe.

Whatever.

You realize you're no better than those you denounce with your broad generalizations? Everyone just demonizes each other.
 

RPD

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I saw it Saturday and thought it was just above average for a Marvel film.
 

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