Capitalism is evil

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
People have always been slothful, selfish, lustful, greedy, and gluttonous. The only difference is in the past, these desires were met with violence, whereas a market society directs these vices into safer areas... while at the same time, breeding a sophistication and affluence that greatly decreases man's baser instincts.

There are two fundamental ways for people to deal with each other: force or trade. Those who believe a society can be formed around man's love and appreciation for each other are a dangerous breed. The only result from such such a denial of human nature would be the oppression and destruction by those who aren't so loving and appreciative.

If RobCur would like to escape our "evil," then perhaps he'd be willing to strip naked and go live off a piece of wilderness. Because that's about where we'd be without voluntary trade based on mutual profit. It was built on living life for the sake of living life, not some dirty concept of more everything.

You make several good points, however i remember a recent society that had no money and limited ownership of property. These were not hippies, they were warriors who got by on honor, and trust. Yes they didn't build roads, or skyscrapers, or desire to fly to the moon on a rocket ship, however capitalism was an evil, and barter was just fine.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: RobCur
No money, no talk? I have enough as is being unable to pursuave the masses of money loving, craving hypocrites. I've wasted too much time because my time is worth nothing which mean I am worthless unless I'm rich like the few at the top.
Like a child who thinks money is everything, can buy happiness, well go for it and make my day. What really ticks me off is that most tried to use money to use me, it's low and immoral.

It seems from this statement and other statements you've made in the past that you are mad because you have to work for others in order to get the stuff you want.

It seems to me you are exactly the type of person you are criticizing. You seem obsessed with money. You seem obsessed that there are people with more money than you. Why? You keep telling us that we shouldn't crave money. We shouldn't desire money. We shouldn't think that the rich are better than us. And yet you seem obsessed with it. Why?

Sometimes I wonder if you're just putting on an act.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: cwjerome
People have always been slothful, selfish, lustful, greedy, and gluttonous. The only difference is in the past, these desires were met with violence, whereas a market society directs these vices into safer areas... while at the same time, breeding a sophistication and affluence that greatly decreases man's baser instincts.

There are two fundamental ways for people to deal with each other: force or trade. Those who believe a society can be formed around man's love and appreciation for each other are a dangerous breed. The only result from such such a denial of human nature would be the oppression and destruction by those who aren't so loving and appreciative.

If RobCur would like to escape our "evil," then perhaps he'd be willing to strip naked and go live off a piece of wilderness. Because that's about where we'd be without voluntary trade based on mutual profit. It was built on living life for the sake of living life, not some dirty concept of more everything.

You make several good points, however i remember a recent society that had no money and limited ownership of property. These were not hippies, they were warriors who got by on honor, and trust. Yes they didn't build roads, or skyscrapers, or desire to fly to the moon on a rocket ship, however capitalism was an evil, and barter was just fine.

Barter is a form of capitalism.

Money just increases the efficiency of the system.

Before someone might have some apples and you were willing to do yard work With the barter system, you could make a trade. But what happens if you didn't want apples? Well, you could exchange it for something called money. And then use that money to exchange it for something you need from another person.

 

[judasmachine]

Oh and another evil is that of hoarding wealth. It develops into a more rigid caste system with those controlling the markets and those who have no choice but to play by their rules. Democracy tried to limit this but is ultimately failing.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.
In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.
No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.

Those who are too lazy to click, here is a direct quote:
Cap'italism n 1. A system by which the few profit from the exploitation of the many. 2. A mindset addicted to profit, work and debt which values money more than life. 3. An unsustainable ideology obsessed by growth despite our finite plante. 4. The cause of the global, social and ecological crisis. 5. A social system overthrown at the end of the 20th century.......

last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

A more simplistic and biased view I don't think I've ever read. Congratulations.

 

[NyteCrawler]

Sorry, but there's nothing wrong with capitalism. I've seen those born into poor families go very far in life making a lot of money. I'm tired of hearing all this crap about the rich stay rich and blah blah. That's crap and you know it. People who are born into poor homes have their whole life to get out of poverty and yes it is possible. The only reason more people don't make it in capitalism is because society has become lazy. People have an equal chance, they just don't see it.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: NyteCrawler
Sorry, but there's nothing wrong with capitalism. I've seen those born into poor families go very far in life making a lot of money. I'm tired of hearing all this crap about the rich stay rich and blah blah. That's crap and you know it. People who are born into poor homes have their whole life to get out of poverty and yes it is possible. The only reason more people don't make it in capitalism is because society has become lazy. People have an equal chance, they just don't see it.

It isn't just capitalism other than it does give rise to oligarchy. It's democracy that has saved this country thus far, and given them poorer people (including myself) to do alright. Sheer unchecked capitalism is a dead end. Ultimately the system cannot be sustained if everyone succeeds. It needs poor factory workers, it needs desperate people to work menial labor.


I'm not a communist either though. The alternatives thus far have failed too. I'm all about compromise. Maybe some freer democracy would work, one where there are multiple parties that are actually viable options. Who knows.

[throws up hands in frustration]

 

[RobCur]

You either enjoy working hard for money or you do not. Most work long hours just for having more money to spend on things they don't need, that's insane.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: RobCur
You either enjoy working hard for money or you do not. Most work long hours just for having more money to spend on things they don't need, that's insane.

How is that insane? Just because you're lazy doesn't mean it's "insane" to work hard.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: RobCur
You either enjoy working hard for money or you do not. Most work long hours just for having more money to spend on things they don't need, that's insane.

Or we work hard so we can be retired at 40 at which point we won't have to worry about money. Seems sane to me.

God, bless free-market capitalism and protect me from those who hate to see others succeed in ways they feel are impossible for them.

As far as money buying happiness goes. While it's true you can't BUY happiness, you can rent it from time to time. And as long as you're going to be miserable you might as well have some money to enjoy it with.

I've been rich and I've been poor. It's better to be rich.
Gertrude Stein

Toodles!

 

[borosp1]

Problem with American Society in my opinion is the wage distribution amonst rich and poor. Why is that a CEO's salary is 500 times the average worker in his or her company. The economic class structure is growing more and more apart where there is no middle class and middle class is turning into the working poor in this country. In America its basically all about greed and power and nothing about whats good for society as a whole.

 

[Gunslinger08]

This thread reminds all too much of Fight Club.

Let's just agree that bras are evil, and leave it at that.

 

[hemiram]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
First of all you can reject money, but you will be an outcast and socializing will be difficult. Not everyone worships money-- but most americans for practical purposes do.

And while I'm a fan of free markets, I do think all children should start out with equal chances. Estate taxes should be 100% and everyone should have similar access to same education. Right now, we have a quasi-aristocratic system, which the founders tried to rid us of with the estate tax.

Outdated natural law arguments in favor of capitalism in 10...9...

1...BOOOM.

And why shouldn't you be able to leave your kids/family your money when you die? It's YOUR money, or do you think it's the governments? You paid income tax when you were alive, why should anyone have to pay estate taxes on money that's passed to them? They will aready be paying income tax on it!! The esate tax was created for one reason and one reason only, to GET $$$$ for the government! There's no other reason to have it.

You will never make everyone "start out equal", if it's not money, it's connections, intelligence, luck, drive, etc that make everyone different.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: RobCur
You either enjoy working hard for money or you do not. Most work long hours just for having more money to spend on things they don't need, that's insane.

Stop bringing your troll threads back from the dead.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: RobCur
You either enjoy working hard for money or you do not. Most work long hours just for having more money to spend on things they don't need, that's insane.

WTF? If you're not even going to bother to respond to posts in the moronic, flamebait threads you repeatedly create, as least stop bumping them from the dead with more useless posts.

 

[judasmachine]

Unchecked capitalism is evil, in the way that it's practiced by imperfect humans. The ultimate drive is essenstially greed. If it were not tax deductible most wouldn't give to charity, and we'd have to rely on the benevelence of the rare philanthropist. Churches would even eventually become profit businesses, as that seems to be the nature of such things. It seeems to be more and more of a popularity contest. But I digress. Back on topic, we cannot let people do everything they wish as it usually involves stepping on other peoples's backs.

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Unchecked capitalism is evil, in the way that it's practiced by imperfect humans. The ultimate drive is essenstially greed. If it were not tax deductible most wouldn't give to charity, and we'd have to rely on the benevelence of the rare philanthropist. Churches would even eventually become profit businesses, as that seems to be the nature of such things. It seeems to be more and more of a popularity contest. But I digress. Back on topic, we cannot let people do everything they wish as it usually involves stepping on other peoples's backs.

exactly, capitalsim $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ *scam* is all about if we can put someone out of business, we will be sucessful, why? because competition is not what capitalism is all about! it's about control over peons lacking security, he want food, he want a place to eat and sleep and so must work like slaves forever.

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: RobCur
You either enjoy working hard for money or you do not. Most work long hours just for having more money to spend on things they don't need, that's insane.

WTF? If you're not even going to bother to respond to posts in the moronic, flamebait threads you repeatedly create, as least stop bumping them from the dead with more useless posts.

you're a good example of a useless post. so piss off already, i'm trying to have a good discussion here. fyi, god is angry about man's selfish cold hearted greediness, if we don't put a stop to this evil scheme, you and everyone around you will die because of it's self destructive nature.

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
People have always been slothful, selfish, lustful, greedy, and gluttonous. The only difference is in the past, these desires were met with violence, whereas a market society directs these vices into safer areas... while at the same time, breeding a sophistication and affluence that greatly decreases man's baser instincts.

There are two fundamental ways for people to deal with each other: force or trade. Those who believe a society can be formed around man's love and appreciation for each other are a dangerous breed. The only result from such such a denial of human nature would be the oppression and destruction by those who aren't so loving and appreciative.

If RobCur would like to escape our "evil," then perhaps he'd be willing to strip naked and go live off a piece of wilderness. Because that's about where we'd be without voluntary trade based on mutual profit.

i'm not trying to escape it, im trying tochange it! don't tell me you're enjoying paying useless taxes that you see very little of by the time you're retired. actually most will died of a heart attack before their retirement age. it's a freaking scam and you know it too so why buy into this crap? maybe you just don't care? maybe you want to be like 60 percent of the population? maybe you are easily swayed by public opinions? oh well, if you think i'm nuts, I am not.

thanks for the laugh thought.

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: PatboyX
alternative?

 

[Stunt]

Quit bumping this crap...

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Quit bumping this crap...

thanks for another useless bump!

btw, your post is nothing more then another flame bait. good grief, give it a rest already. it's like telling someone to shutup even if they have a voice or have something to say. oh well just another loser who have nothing to say but annoy the hell out of everyone.
what right do you have to take my free speech away??? go bite on a tree or something lamer.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: RobCur

Originally posted by: Stunt
Quit bumping this crap...

thanks for another useless bump!

btw, your post is nothing more then another flame bait. good grief, give it a rest already. it's like telling someone to shutup even if they have a voice or have something to say. oh well just another loser who have nothing to say but annoy the hell out of everyone.
what right do you have to take my free speech away??? go bite on a tree or something lamer.

Do you know what is flame bait?! Your 26 private messages swearing at me for the above comment. You need to take a pill or something...a vacation at the least.

Anybody know if it is against forum rules to mass message hateful comments; literally wasting anandtech bandwidth?

PS. You are the one bumping your useless thread. You troll this forum spouting off the same useless crap, generating the most useless discussions...go back to OT where people at least can laugh at you.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: RobCur

Originally posted by: Stunt
Quit bumping this crap...

thanks for another useless bump!

btw, your post is nothing more then another flame bait. good grief, give it a rest already. it's like telling someone to shutup even if they have a voice or have something to say. oh well just another loser who have nothing to say but annoy the hell out of everyone.
what right do you have to take my free speech away??? go bite on a tree or something lamer.

Do you know what is flame bait?! Your 26 private messages swearing at me for the above comment. You need to take a pill or something...a vacation at the least.

Anybody know if it is against forum rules to mass message hateful comments; literally wasting anandtech bandwidth?

PS. You are the one bumping your useless thread. You troll this forum spouting off the same useless crap, generating the most useless discussions...go back to OT where people at least can laugh at you.

You got the 26 PMs too? Now I don't feel so special.

To RobCur: It's obvious you have nothing else to say simply because you've just been repeating yourself throughout this entire thread. Not only that but you make other threads that are the exact same argument as this one. Kindly STFU, troll.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: RobCur

Originally posted by: Stunt
Quit bumping this crap...

thanks for another useless bump!

btw, your post is nothing more then another flame bait. good grief, give it a rest already. it's like telling someone to shutup even if they have a voice or have something to say. oh well just another loser who have nothing to say but annoy the hell out of everyone.
what right do you have to take my free speech away??? go bite on a tree or something lamer.

Do you know what is flame bait?! Your 26 private messages swearing at me for the above comment. You need to take a pill or something...a vacation at the least.

Anybody know if it is against forum rules to mass message hateful comments; literally wasting anandtech bandwidth?

PS. You are the one bumping your useless thread. You troll this forum spouting off the same useless crap, generating the most useless discussions...go back to OT where people at least can laugh at you.

Wow - he just sent me a dozen PMs telling me to "eat sh1t and die" and that I'm "his b1tch." WTF is up with this?