Capitalism is evil

[RobCur]

http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.
In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.
No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.

Those who are too lazy to click, here is a direct quote:
Cap'italism n 1. A system by which the few profit from the exploitation of the many. 2. A mindset addicted to profit, work and debt which values money more than life. 3. An unsustainable ideology obsessed by growth despite our finite plante. 4. The cause of the global, social and ecological crisis. 5. A social system overthrown at the end of the 20th century.......

last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

 

[PatboyX]

alternative?

 

[bdude]

Capitalism, like money itself, does not operate on the basis of morality. Therefore, it cannot be evil.

What can debated as "evil" are the effects of capitalism on the human condition.

 

[Tab]

Capitalism sucks, but your alternatives suck even more.

 

[Infohawk]

First of all you can reject money, but you will be an outcast and socializing will be difficult. Not everyone worships money-- but most americans for practical purposes do.

And while I'm a fan of free markets, I do think all children should start out with equal chances. Estate taxes should be 100% and everyone should have similar access to same education. Right now, we have a quasi-aristocratic system, which the founders tried to rid us of with the estate tax.

Outdated natural law arguments in favor of capitalism in 10...9...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

With that sort of outlook I can see why you think Capitalism is evil and money controls you.
I have a different outlook though. I look at it as I control my life and money, but more importantly - I control my own life choices and the happiness/pain that they cause - not some gov't system, bankers, or those EVAL "rich" folks.

*shrug* to each their own I guess...

CsG

 

[Tab]

I've also made sure "God" is removed from all the $1 on my wallet. :0

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.
In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.
No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.

What does it mean to have an "equal chance at life"? Sounds like a meaningless phrase to me, as everyone's life is unique. You want everyone to live the same life?

What debt are you talking about? National debt, pesonal debt, corporate debt?

Bankers today are part of a government run cartel called the Federal Reserve. That has nothing to do with capitalism, and everything to do with the government.

*sigh* another utterly meaningless rant against "Evil Capitalism" (tm).

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: RobCur
last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

I agree that happiness is not found in money. However, you are not obligated to make money your master. You can live happily on $20k a year if you're not materialistic and live functionally rather than aesthetically.

The good points of a capitalist society, as I see it, are that the people who are very good at what they do and are very hard working can rise from nothing to the very top. Often, it takes someone with a poor background to really appreciate something. Many of the best minds in history have come from poor families or farms - mathematicians, scientists, philosophers. While I don't necessarily think it's a great thing for people to be born into money, it's not exactly just to strip them of it when their parents die, either. The parents did everything they could to supply their children with what they need and should be rewarded accordingly.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
The good points of a capitalist society, as I see it, are that the people who are very good at what they do and are very hard working can rise from nothing to the very top.

This isn't exclusive to captialism. You could set up a meritocracy or centralized system that reward those who excel at things. What capitalism does is reward people who satisfy a demand. And that doesn't necessarily mean people who excel at things. You can be a terrible widget producer, but if you're the only person doing it, capitalism will reward you if people want widgets and there aren't others in the widget business. And frequently, the most sought-after products and services aren't the best quality, just the ones that create a demand (advertising or other methods of getting business).

 

[her209]

The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: her209
The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

That would not be possible. You cant eat money.

 

[raildogg]

Look what capitalism has done for China and India. They are moving from old socialist policies towards a more capitalistic system. Millions of people are being lifted out of poverty each year. They are privatizing conglomerates at a rapid pace. They are loosening their stranglehold on their economies. Globalization and capitalism go together, one cannot truly exist without the other in today's modern world. Globalization isn't fair, just like capitalism, it's about competition. Market driven policies are the best way for a country to progress.

Freedom of coice, self interest and competition are all great things. Countries that have a market system are the ones that are at the forefront of every industry. One great aspect of capitalism is private property. Property belongs to individuals, not the government. Property can be a piece of land or intellectual property. For example, copyrights and patents. But all of this can be only accomplished if the government is limited.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: her209
The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

That would not be possible. You cant eat money.

Why would you eat money?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Capitalism sucks, but your alternatives suck even more.

sad but true.

just like democracy.



but in both cases we can work to make them less unpleasant, we just choose not to. (or its chosen for us)

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
And while I'm a fan of free markets, I do think all children should start out with equal chances. Estate taxes should be 100% and everyone should have similar access to same education. Right now, we have a quasi-aristocratic system, which the founders tried to rid us of with the estate tax.

How are you going to make sure every child starts out "equally" (never mind even defining that very ambiguous term)? Smart kids will still have an advantage over dumb kids, strong kids over weak kids, handsome/beautiful kids over ugly kids, etc. It's near impossible to create the perfect 'level' playing field.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: her209
The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

More baseless Marxist horsesh!t.

One person couldn't end up with everything under capitalism because of something called division of labor and comparative advantage.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: her209
The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

That would not be possible. You cant eat money.

Why would you eat money?

because one person cannot have everything. If one person has all the money, where would they get their food....

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.
In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.
No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.

Those who are too lazy to click, here is a direct quote:
Cap'italism n 1. A system by which the few profit from the exploitation of the many. 2. A mindset addicted to profit, work and debt which values money more than life. 3. An unsustainable ideology obsessed by growth despite our finite plante. 4. The cause of the global, social and ecological crisis. 5. A social system overthrown at the end of the 20th century.......

last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

Damn those rich people!

By the way, the Top 5% pays 51.4% of the income tax burden. Talk about those dirty rich people paying no taxes!

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: her209
The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

That would not be possible. You cant eat money.

Why would you eat money?

because one person cannot have everything. If one person has all the money, where would they get their food....

They have more than just money. They would grow it.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: her209
The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

More baseless Marxist horsesh!t.

One person couldn't end up with everything under capitalism because of something called division of labor and comparative advantage.

a few end up with a lot and the rest end up with horsesht

 

[StormRider]

The only purpose in life is to love someone and to be loved. Whether you die in debt or with lots of money in the bank makes no fvcking difference. I am a virgin who is in my early 40's and have never even dated. I make about 80K/year. But a man who only makes 1/2 of what I make and have the love of a woman and his family is clearly richer than I will ever be.

All the people who complain about capitalism seem to me are the one who value money the most. You don't have to be slaves to money. I know plenty of people who live frugally but because they have good health and the love of family and friends are quite happy.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: her209
The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

More baseless Marxist horsesh!t.

One person couldn't end up with everything under capitalism because of something called division of labor and comparative advantage.

a few end up with a lot and the rest end up with horsesht

I agree, under state capitalism. You are confusing the current environment with true capitalism. Today's economic environment includes an enormous number of protections, and subsidies from the government. This has created an unnatural accumulation of wealth in the upper class. Businessmen hate true capitalism the most, because they do not like being subjected to extreme competition. Get rid of the government protection racket, and their empires will fall.

An excellent example of this is gambling. It is very difficult to get into the gambling market because the government regulates it so heavily. Hence, the few lucky winners of gambling rights, such as Indian tribes cash in big time. Eliminate the government-sponsored racket and their empire falls. Especially with gambling, which would have a very low entry barrier without the government regulations.

 

[RedPickle]

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[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: her209
The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

More baseless Marxist horsesh!t.

One person couldn't end up with everything under capitalism because of something called division of labor and comparative advantage.

a few end up with a lot and the rest end up with horsesht

I agree, under state capitalism. You are confusing the current environment with true capitalism. Today's economic environment includes an enormous number of protections, and subsidies from the government. This has created an unnatural accumulation of wealth in the upper class. Businessmen hate true capitalism the most, because they do not like being subjected to extreme competition. Get rid of the government protection racket, and their empires will fall.

An excellent example of this is gambling. It is very difficult to get into the gambling market because the government regulates it so heavily. Hence, the few lucky winners of gambling rights, such as Indian tribes cash in big time. Eliminate the government-sponsored racket and their empire falls. Especially with gambling, which would have a very low entry barrier without the government regulations.

and how exactly do you plan on abolishing government? Sometimes its good to have a practical theory, although hopeless idealism is good too. I'm certain guilty of that one.