sounds like more whinning, yo uwant what someone else has, but don't want to work for it....hmmmm yeah...
everyone isnt born rich, you telling me some people don't make themselves successful?
this is one of the dumbest thread ever
sounds like more whinning, yo uwant what someone else has, but don't want to work for it....hmmmm yeah...
everyone isnt born rich, you telling me some people don't make themselves successful?
this is one of the dumbest thread ever
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I wouldn't make the choice to ride on such a risky road but if I did make the choice to ride there - I, and I alone made risk assessment.
CsG
Originally posted by: RobCur
And we still have to work like slaves today just to afford all the things necessary for life.Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: RobCur
God does not care about money so why should we? Is it a man thing? Is it obsession of using others to do their bidding? Most of us are already wealthy but just don't know it so why crave money more and more everyday hoping to get rich? It'll never happen, you're not born into that class who just have to own someone aka slaves and do no work to be filthy stinking rich for the rest of their life and their generation for many century to come!
In America, no one owns anything other then their worthless belonging. It is not a free market, it is owned by the few super rich aka corporation. Those who say so are idiots and don't know their owned before they were even born!
That's why you have to work your arse off no matter what and even as deperate as mowing someone's lawn for a little money to spend on your needs!
It's really pathetic and very sad
Even before capitalism, didn't we all have to work like slaves just to survive? We had to chop wood for fire. Hunt or farm for food. These activities usually took all day and we didn't have any free time on our hands for any leisure activities. We worked until we died.
What's the difference between that and capitalism? No matter what we all will have to work until we die. So what?
Most of it is to benefit slave owners aka corporation, privatization who are in control of our life. It is an advanced form of slavery, history repeats itself. Peons will be peons, rich will always be rich forever and ever.
Life's not fair right? The survival of the fittest will always triump, what is fair in life?
Yes, I enjoy being owned as well. /sarcasm
Your characterization is not only off-base and inaccurate, it's dishonest. We aren't *slaves*, for one thing: Slaves have no CHOICE in their fate, they work solely for the benefit of others without payment, without option, without escape.
On the other hand, we who live with Capitalism have choices. We choose where and how to work, or whether we work for someone else at all. If you choose, you are free to start your own business or to work at the business of others. When you work for others, you do NOT primarily work for their benefit, you work primarily for YOUR benefit. You are selling your effort, your labor, physical or mental, in exchange for the money you need to buy the things you need and want. They, in turn, are buying your skills and services for use in creating more value to sell in order to earn money for the things *they* need and want. It's mutually beneficial, and more importantly it's *voluntary*.
To say we have to "slave for the things we need" is just patent dishonesty. For the most part yoru basic *needs* are paid for very quickly. These are things like food and shelter, basic clothing, etc. What you most likely are referring to are not "needs" but "luxuries". Things like TV, Cable, video games, computers, internet access, cars and so on are not *requirements of life*, they are extras, bonuses. You could do without them and still scrape by. Your view of this is tainted by the fact that you, like anyone who lives in an industrialized, free nation, are spoiled beyond belief. Even the poor among us are rich by comparison with those in past centuries or, often, in our neighboring 3rd world countries.
In any case, you are NOT owned by anyone but YOURSELF. What you choose to do with that ownership, how you dispose of the property which is your life, is up to you.
Jason
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Hi.
My name is Ozoned.
I make my living by exploiting middle and poor class people. The exploitation occurs by providing them with goods and services ( at a competitive price of course
I am Evil.:roll::roll:
Mmm...evil....
That is an incredibly stupid analogy. That the world is a complex place with an enormous number of variables that one cannot comfortably predict to five decimal places is NOT in any way an indicator that free will is a myth.
I'm sorry but your analogy is trash and has no basis in reality.
Jason
Ahh....sweet honesty! Even when you're ugly, I prefer you to the deception and ignorance of many other posters!
Jason
We can only afford what is cheapest, expensive stuff are out of our reach!!!Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: RobCur
And we still have to work like slaves today just to afford all the things necessary for life.Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: RobCur
God does not care about money so why should we? Is it a man thing? Is it obsession of using others to do their bidding? Most of us are already wealthy but just don't know it so why crave money more and more everyday hoping to get rich? It'll never happen, you're not born into that class who just have to own someone aka slaves and do no work to be filthy stinking rich for the rest of their life and their generation for many century to come!
In America, no one owns anything other then their worthless belonging. It is not a free market, it is owned by the few super rich aka corporation. Those who say so are idiots and don't know their owned before they were even born!
That's why you have to work your arse off no matter what and even as deperate as mowing someone's lawn for a little money to spend on your needs!
It's really pathetic and very sad
Even before capitalism, didn't we all have to work like slaves just to survive? We had to chop wood for fire. Hunt or farm for food. These activities usually took all day and we didn't have any free time on our hands for any leisure activities. We worked until we died.
What's the difference between that and capitalism? No matter what we all will have to work until we die. So what?
Most of it is to benefit slave owners aka corporation, privatization who are in control of our life. It is an advanced form of slavery, history repeats itself. Peons will be peons, rich will always be rich forever and ever.
Life's not fair right? The survival of the fittest will always triump, what is fair in life?
Yes, I enjoy being owned as well. /sarcasm
What exactly are you complaining about? Are you complaining that some people are lucky to be rich so they don't have to work while you do? So what? I'll probably have to work until I died too. It's no big deal. Some guys are born good looking and they get all the girls.
It seems like you're complaining that you have to work to afford the things necessary for life. I'm pretty sure that if you had to hunt, farm, and build your own shelter that it would be a lot harder life than the life you are currently living. This evil capitalism has actually improved your living standard. And I can't imagine any system where nobody has to work and have everything they want in life. If you know of one, please share instead of just complaining.
I see you in the hot deal forums starting threads about cheap Lite-On DVD drives which is the result of evil capitalism. So, you seem to be enjoying something this evil has brought you.
I'll say it again for those ignorant of the real truth.Originally posted by: RobCur
God does not care about money so why should we? Is it a man thing? Is it obsession of using others to do their bidding? Most of us are already wealthy but just don't know it so why crave money more and more everyday hoping to get rich? It'll never happen, you're not born into that class who just have to own someone aka slaves and do no work to be filthy stinking rich for the rest of their life and their generation for many century to come!
In America, no one owns anything other then their worthless belonging. It is not a free market, it is owned by the few super rich aka corporation. Those who say so are idiots and don't know their owned before they were even born!
That's why you have to work your arse off no matter what and even as deperate as mowing someone's lawn for a little money to spend on your needs!
It's really pathetic and very sad
Etch this into your thick brain skull. Etch it my friends and you will begin to understand.
I am enlightening you, enjoy.
Money matters more then my life because it is over valued, my individuality and personality don't meanshit.
Originally posted by: RobCur
We can only afford what is cheapest, expensive stuff are out of our reach!!!Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: RobCur
And we still have to work like slaves today just to afford all the things necessary for life.Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: RobCur
God does not care about money so why should we? Is it a man thing? Is it obsession of using others to do their bidding? Most of us are already wealthy but just don't know it so why crave money more and more everyday hoping to get rich? It'll never happen, you're not born into that class who just have to own someone aka slaves and do no work to be filthy stinking rich for the rest of their life and their generation for many century to come!
In America, no one owns anything other then their worthless belonging. It is not a free market, it is owned by the few super rich aka corporation. Those who say so are idiots and don't know their owned before they were even born!
That's why you have to work your arse off no matter what and even as deperate as mowing someone's lawn for a little money to spend on your needs!
It's really pathetic and very sad
Even before capitalism, didn't we all have to work like slaves just to survive? We had to chop wood for fire. Hunt or farm for food. These activities usually took all day and we didn't have any free time on our hands for any leisure activities. We worked until we died.
What's the difference between that and capitalism? No matter what we all will have to work until we die. So what?
Most of it is to benefit slave owners aka corporation, privatization who are in control of our life. It is an advanced form of slavery, history repeats itself. Peons will be peons, rich will always be rich forever and ever.
Life's not fair right? The survival of the fittest will always triump, what is fair in life?
Yes, I enjoy being owned as well. /sarcasm
What exactly are you complaining about? Are you complaining that some people are lucky to be rich so they don't have to work while you do? So what? I'll probably have to work until I died too. It's no big deal. Some guys are born good looking and they get all the girls.
It seems like you're complaining that you have to work to afford the things necessary for life. I'm pretty sure that if you had to hunt, farm, and build your own shelter that it would be a lot harder life than the life you are currently living. This evil capitalism has actually improved your living standard. And I can't imagine any system where nobody has to work and have everything they want in life. If you know of one, please share instead of just complaining.
I see you in the hot deal forums starting threads about cheap Lite-On DVD drives which is the result of evil capitalism. So, you seem to be enjoying something this evil has brought you.
work harded, youll get it
cKGunslinger
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Originally posted by: RobCur
I'll say it again for those ignorant of the real truth.Originally posted by: RobCur
God does not care about money so why should we? Is it a man thing? Is it obsession of using others to do their bidding? Most of us are already wealthy but just don't know it so why crave money more and more everyday hoping to get rich? It'll never happen, you're not born into that class who just have to own someone aka slaves and do no work to be filthy stinking rich for the rest of their life and their generation for many century to come!
In America, no one owns anything other then their worthless belonging. It is not a free market, it is owned by the few super rich aka corporation. Those who say so are idiots and don't know their owned before they were even born!
That's why you have to work your arse off no matter what and even as deperate as mowing someone's lawn for a little money to spend on your needs!
It's really pathetic and very sad
Etch this into your thick brain skull. Etch it my friends and you will begin to understand.
I am enlightening you, enjoy.
Money matters more then my life because it is over valued, my individuality and personality don't meanshit.
Someone as ignorant as you are couldn't possibly enlighten ANYONE. If your personality and individuality aren't valued it's because YOU don't value them. Society, government, law, etc. are properly concerned with the CONCEPTS of individuality and personality and rights, NOT with *YOUR* specific personality and individuality. Those are to be valued by YOU and by those who care about you, not to the world at large. There isn't time enough in the universe for all of us to individually reflect on and value each and every other person's individuality and personality, and your calls for such are a reflection of your COMPLETE LACK OF SELF ESTEEM.
Money is a TOOL for the peaceful exchange of goods and services between private owners. Without money, YOU become the goods that are bartered/sold/traded, usually at the point of a gun or the end of a whip. Perhaps you should learn the difference on your own hide.
Jason
No money, no talk? I have enough as is being unable to pursuave the masses of money loving, craving hypocrites. I've wasted too much time because my time is worth nothing which mean I am worthless unless I'm rich like the few at the top.
Like a child who thinks money is everything, can buy happiness, well go for it and make my day. What really ticks me off is that most tried to use money to use me, it's low and immoral.
Like a child who thinks money is everything, can buy happiness, well go for it and make my day. What really ticks me off is that most tried to use money to use me, it's low and immoral.
judasmachine
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Money is the root of all evil. It's very existance is rooted in selfishness and greed. Your clothes are made by 6 year olds who have to work to help support thier families, and what made you want that Red Sox jersey in the first place? Your food was plucked from the ground by a migrant worker who had to come to the land of promise and do the menial labor your brats are too spoiled to do.
I know I don't have the answer, but it's gotta be out there, and I suggest we start the dialouge now! You could at least pitch in and make your kids go detassling in the summer, and make them learn the value of their labor. That job at Old Navy isn't working.
I know I don't have the answer, but it's gotta be out there, and I suggest we start the dialouge now! You could at least pitch in and make your kids go detassling in the summer, and make them learn the value of their labor. That job at Old Navy isn't working.
Wow, it usually takes Conjur to spew so many distortions, lies and rhetorical frauds all in a single post. Congrats!
For starters, the *entire* Bolshevik Revolution was a murderous plot to seize power over Russia. Do you know what the different is between the Bolshevik Revolution and the American Revolution that makes the American Revolution more just, more proper and more moral? I would guess not. The difference is this: The American Revolution was sparked in response to King George's abuse of the Colonists and his intent and action to oppress and plunder the population of the 13 colonies.
The Bolshevik Revolution, meanwhile, was the BEGINNING of the oppression and plunder of the Russian People. Granted, the Czars could hardly have been described as beacons of Liberty, but the fact is that the Bolsheviks seized power and did so in order to bring legitimacy to their philosophy of murder and plunder.
Just what we needed, another Conjur-BBond like FRAUD on the board. :roll:
Jason
Originally posted by: RobCur
God does not care about money so why should we? Is it a man thing? Is it obsession of using others to do their bidding? Most of us are already wealthy but just don't know it so why crave money more and more everyday hoping to get rich? It'll never happen, you're not born into that class who just have to own someone aka slaves and do no work to be filthy stinking rich for the rest of their life and their generation for many century to come!
In America, no one owns anything other then their worthless belonging. It is not a free market, it is owned by the few super rich aka corporation. Those who say so are idiots and don't know their owned before they were even born!
That's why you have to work your arse off no matter what and even as deperate as mowing someone's lawn for a little money to spend on your needs!
It's really pathetic and very sad
Ah, more idiotic drivel from the self-pity crowd.
Money is a TOOL for the PEACEFUL EXCHANGE of privately owned Goods and Services. It is *precisely* what keeps you free from becoming physically someone's slave or indentured servant. America is not owned by "a few Super-Rich". That's a lot of fluff and nonsense. If you want an example of a nation owned by "a few super-Rich", take a look at MEXICO. That's a pristine, shining example of what happens to a society owned by a small aristocracy of hereditary rich families, and people are FLEEING THE COUNTRY by the MILLIONS each and every year.
Yes, there are Corporations in the US who ABUSE their positions. Yes, there are individuals who manipulate the function and purpose of Corporations for dirty deeds like getting free land (Costco and Home Despot are prime examples of this) to expand their businesses.
That doesn't mean that we're not free, it means that there are unethical people to be fought. Instead of despairing, whining and foaming at the mouth, why don't you DO something about it? GO become an ATTORNEY and fight these bastards you hate so much on their own turf.
Jason
You know what's low and immoral? YOU. One thing you make entirely clear is this: You have no self respect, no ability to look at yourself as valuable even TO yourself. With this kind of mindset all you will EVER do is sit around being bitter and feeling so much sadness and pity that poor you isn't rich. Well let me give you a clue here: If people place no value on you, it has NOTHING to do with your quantity of wealth it has to do with how you show your lack of respect for YOURSELF. If you don't hold yourself in high regard, why should anyone else?
Grow up. It isn't all about YOU.
Jason
judasmachine
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Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: RobCur
God does not care about money so why should we? Is it a man thing? Is it obsession of using others to do their bidding? Most of us are already wealthy but just don't know it so why crave money more and more everyday hoping to get rich? It'll never happen, you're not born into that class who just have to own someone aka slaves and do no work to be filthy stinking rich for the rest of their life and their generation for many century to come!
In America, no one owns anything other then their worthless belonging. It is not a free market, it is owned by the few super rich aka corporation. Those who say so are idiots and don't know their owned before they were even born!
That's why you have to work your arse off no matter what and even as deperate as mowing someone's lawn for a little money to spend on your needs!
It's really pathetic and very sad
Ah, more idiotic drivel from the self-pity crowd.
Money is a TOOL for the PEACEFUL EXCHANGE of privately owned Goods and Services. It is *precisely* what keeps you free from becoming physically someone's slave or indentured servant. America is not owned by "a few Super-Rich". That's a lot of fluff and nonsense. If you want an example of a nation owned by "a few super-Rich", take a look at MEXICO. That's a pristine, shining example of what happens to a society owned by a small aristocracy of hereditary rich families, and people are FLEEING THE COUNTRY by the MILLIONS each and every year.
Yes, there are Corporations in the US who ABUSE their positions. Yes, there are individuals who manipulate the function and purpose of Corporations for dirty deeds like getting free land (Costco and Home Despot are prime examples of this) to expand their businesses.
That doesn't mean that we're not free, it means that there are unethical people to be fought. Instead of despairing, whining and foaming at the mouth, why don't you DO something about it? GO become an ATTORNEY and fight these bastards you hate so much on their own turf.
Jason
If money is for the peaceful exchange of goods and services (which is a fair definition, albeit idealistic) then why is it that so many people are exploited and murdered in it's name? the answer is that it is a tool for selfishness, sloth, lust, greed, and gluttony.
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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
It certainly can be, and is, used for all of those things. Some of us do live the ideal though
Actually, the answer is that many people are selfish, slothful, lustful, greedy and gluttonous, and the object of their sin happens to be money. You don't bash money for being the object of their desire, just as you don't ostracize a woman after she is raped (*cough* Muslim countries *cough*).
judasmachine
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yeah ultimately it is the relentless and ruthless pursuit of money that buries more bodies than we can count. people don't mug people for fun, and CEOs don't tell the truth about there product just because they forgot. this is the pool we're drowning in, until everyone realizes they can live without alot of the superficial things they think they need. don't get me wrong though i love my perks, but i do intentionally do without alot of stuff. like i drive a four door sedan instead of a huge suv, i haven't upgraded my pc since the radeon 9500 pro came out. i ride my bike more than drive my car, etc.......
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Yes sir, I try to curb my consumerism as well. I believe that many will eventually find themselves learning to live with less in the U.S. in a decade or 2 perforce, perhaps less time than that.
People have always been slothful, selfish, lustful, greedy, and gluttonous. The only difference is in the past, these desires were met with violence, whereas a market society directs these vices into safer areas... while at the same time, breeding a sophistication and affluence that greatly decreases man's baser instincts.
There are two fundamental ways for people to deal with each other: force or trade. Those who believe a society can be formed around man's love and appreciation for each other are a dangerous breed. The only result from such such a denial of human nature would be the oppression and destruction by those who aren't so loving and appreciative.
If RobCur would like to escape our "evil," then perhaps he'd be willing to strip naked and go live off a piece of wilderness. Because that's about where we'd be without voluntary trade based on mutual profit.
There are two fundamental ways for people to deal with each other: force or trade. Those who believe a society can be formed around man's love and appreciation for each other are a dangerous breed. The only result from such such a denial of human nature would be the oppression and destruction by those who aren't so loving and appreciative.
If RobCur would like to escape our "evil," then perhaps he'd be willing to strip naked and go live off a piece of wilderness. Because that's about where we'd be without voluntary trade based on mutual profit.
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: RobCur
God does not care about money so why should we? Is it a man thing? Is it obsession of using others to do their bidding? Most of us are already wealthy but just don't know it so why crave money more and more everyday hoping to get rich? It'll never happen, you're not born into that class who just have to own someone aka slaves and do no work to be filthy stinking rich for the rest of their life and their generation for many century to come!
In America, no one owns anything other then their worthless belonging. It is not a free market, it is owned by the few super rich aka corporation. Those who say so are idiots and don't know their owned before they were even born!
That's why you have to work your arse off no matter what and even as deperate as mowing someone's lawn for a little money to spend on your needs!
It's really pathetic and very sad
Ah, more idiotic drivel from the self-pity crowd.
Money is a TOOL for the PEACEFUL EXCHANGE of privately owned Goods and Services. It is *precisely* what keeps you free from becoming physically someone's slave or indentured servant. America is not owned by "a few Super-Rich". That's a lot of fluff and nonsense. If you want an example of a nation owned by "a few super-Rich", take a look at MEXICO. That's a pristine, shining example of what happens to a society owned by a small aristocracy of hereditary rich families, and people are FLEEING THE COUNTRY by the MILLIONS each and every year.
Yes, there are Corporations in the US who ABUSE their positions. Yes, there are individuals who manipulate the function and purpose of Corporations for dirty deeds like getting free land (Costco and Home Despot are prime examples of this) to expand their businesses.
That doesn't mean that we're not free, it means that there are unethical people to be fought. Instead of despairing, whining and foaming at the mouth, why don't you DO something about it? GO become an ATTORNEY and fight these bastards you hate so much on their own turf.
Jason
If money is for the peaceful exchange of goods and services (which is a fair definition, albeit idealistic) then why is it that so many people are exploited and murdered in it's name? the answer is that it is a tool for selfishness, sloth, lust, greed, and gluttony.
Didn't people kill each other before there was money involved? Didn't people kill for food, shelter and other resources?
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