That's the way he always has talked. I am of the opinion that either:
1) He is the only one that sees and understands the true world and that is why I cannot understand him.
2) He has taken too many drugs.
"Capitalism is based on competition and competition is based on hate."
There are those that will hate you and they will not win..unless you hate them back.
Then you destroy yourself.........Richard M. Nixon.................
There are those that will hate you and they will not win..unless you hate them back.
Then you destroy yourself.........Richard M. Nixon.................
You know, if you visit a PROPAGANDA website you are GUARANTEED to get a skewed definition of *any* word at all. If you want a DEFINITION of Capitalism from an UNBIASED source, visit Dictionary.com for the CORRECT definition.
Capitalism begins with a basic assumption: Each individual is the OWNER of his or her own life, and by extension the OWNER of the products of his or her labor and efforts. This means that it assumes each man has a NATURAL RIGHT to his own life and his own work, which in turn means that no one can legitimately TAKE his life or his property.
To own something means that you have the right to decide how to use and/or dispose of that thing. Therefore Capitalism ONLY works based on the idea that men must VOLUNTARILY choose to deal with one another, in whatever capacity.
Man's nature is such that he must act for his own *BENEFIT*, not his own destruction (assuming he behaves like a Human Being, ie, he behaves *Rationally*). Now put those two concepts together: Man chooses for himself based on his own best interests; two men choose to deal, each seeking his or her own best interests and both recognizing that any exchange of VALUES must be voluntary. As a consequence, rational men dealing with one another will bargain to find the ground in which BOTH their needs are met as well as possible, and then reach their agreement VOLUNTARILY based on that principle.
"What about men who use force or coercion?" you ask! Such men cannot be deemed Rational men and Capitalism has no power to control such men. It's one of the reasons we implement Governments among men: to restrain those who would use Force (of which Coercion is a part) to illegitimately sacrifice others for their own benefit.
Your assertion that "the Rich don't pay taxes as they're the ones collecting taxes" is fundamentally flawed and incredibly absurd. The Rich pay more than NINETY PERCENT (90%!!) of the taxes in the United States, even though they represent less than SIX percent of the population. In addition, "the Rich" don't collect taxes. When was the last time you wrote a TAX check to Bill Gates or Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sandra Bullock? The GOVERNMENT collects taxes (am I insane or shouldn't anyone with a PULSE know that?)
Your decription of CREDIT also has no merit and no basis in fact. You assert that it is SLAVERY for a man to work to pay what he owes? If I choose to take out a loan to buy a $4,000 HDTV set am I a SLAVE when I pay the bill? Or would you assert that I should have just been *given* the TV for free? If so, whose responsibility is it to provide me that TV?
I think you need to do A little READING, a little MORE reading, and then top it off with some good, old fashioned Adam Smith and call it a night.
Try to THINK a bit before going off half-cocked spewing Communist Propaganda, which holds no basis in fact, nor in history.
Ask yourself for a moment why you would trust the proponents of a system that systematically slaughtered 100 million innocents in the twentieth century, CURRENTLY enslaves thousands and continues to OPPRESS a *BILLION* people to this very day.
If you have a few dollars to spare, donate to the Victims of Communism memorial fund. You're a good example of what happens when we FORGET what the true face of Evil really looks like.
Jason
That is the most absurd statement I have ever heard. Capitalism DOESN'T HAVE an "End State". NATURE doesn't have an "End State" and your argument is silly and ignorant at best. Capitalism isn't even a system *devised* by man, it's a natural phenomenon that just *occurred* as a CONSEQUENCE of political, civil and economic LIBERTY. Nobody sat down and said "OK, here's Capitalism, and it's got to follow these ten specific rules!" or anything of the sort.
What rampant absurdity we have on this board!
Jason
It's not "near impossible" it IS impossible. The nature of the universe itself is SO complex and entails SO many variables that no person nor group of persons could *ever* account for all of them, much less *control* them. All these "centralized management" schemes are ridiculous, based on the false premise that its possible to CONTROL the entirety of mankind in all its nearly infinite complexity.
Arrogance and ignorance alone would even *consider* to seek for such authority.
Jason
No, actually ALL end up with NOTHING. We ALL die, rich and poor alike, and the wealth we've accumulated is distributed again in many kinds of ways.
There is NO SUCH THING as an "End State" for nature or for Capitalism.
Jason
He's not talking about abolishing government, he's talking about a simple premise: The government has certain LEGITIMATE functions, and the MANAGEMENT of the ECONOMY is *NOT* one of them.
Jason
3chordcharlie
Diamond Member
- Mar 30, 2004
- 9,859
- 1
- 81
++ - DMA you might not be talking about abolishing government, but DIssipate's arguments are based on exactly that as the appropriate outcome.
Well, maybe he does, but I haven't seen him say that, nor did he say so in that particular post
I can only reply in the context of what I see, obviously Jason
Okie doke! *I* wouldn't abolish government, I just want it to do what it's SUPPOSED to do and butt out of the rest, LOL
Jason
What the government is supposed to do? No, it doesn't. The government exists to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic, to provide basic services like Courts, police, firefighters and a public education system (though how you do Education without the corruption we have now, I couldn't tell ya) to ensure that a basic level of intellectual competence and REASONING ability is achieved. All this extra Social crap is extraneous, EXPENSIVE feel-good fluff that the government has no business doing.
Anyway, more later, I'm heading home and then to Fry's!
Jason
Stunt
Diamond Member
- Jul 17, 2002
- 9,717
- 2
- 0
It does change with the individual. The majority of canadians/europeans feel that it is up to government to provide universally available healthcare. The scandinavian countries believe in free post-secondary education, large welfare funding. You believe in public education and security, Dissipate does not.
There is a huge spectrum, you are assuming that your beliefs are the way it should be and your opinion on how government should operate is the only correct way.
You are ignorant to think this.
onlyCOpunk
Platinum Member
- May 25, 2003
- 2,532
- 1
- 0
Without Capitalism, what would motivate people to succeed? But then again business school has forced me to accept and love capitalism.
Albatross
Platinum Member
- Jul 17, 2001
- 2,344
- 8
- 81
Knowledge is not something you can give away to people who have no preparation for it. Self knowledge and self understanding, the awareness of the origins of how we feel can only be had by people who learn to experience what it is they feel.
People are asleep in that they not only do not even know what they feel, much less why.
The reason for this is obviously that what we feel is self hate, the feeling that we are the worst in the world. We don't allow ourselves to feel this because we feel it is true. Who wants to feel that. But it is a lie and you can only know that via the actual remembering of the experience in which you bought that lie.
What inner knowledge also teaches is how one seeks to experience ones self have vicariously. One falls in love and then sabotages the relationship to relive rejection without remembering the real thing. There are thousands of variations on this. We get to feel rage and hate vicariously without remembering when it was we first felt these things. We need constantly to spin down to some disaster to feel alive. That is why we will go extinct. We need to get close to death to get near the life that is dead inside us, to walk in backward to our corpse. We will destroy the world rather than remember how we really feel because by destroying the world we hope and pray we will feel. We cannot allow ourselves to feel but without feeling there is no life. So we substitute rage and muted sorrow for relived experience.
Knowledge is paradox.
People are asleep in that they not only do not even know what they feel, much less why.
The reason for this is obviously that what we feel is self hate, the feeling that we are the worst in the world. We don't allow ourselves to feel this because we feel it is true. Who wants to feel that. But it is a lie and you can only know that via the actual remembering of the experience in which you bought that lie.
What inner knowledge also teaches is how one seeks to experience ones self have vicariously. One falls in love and then sabotages the relationship to relive rejection without remembering the real thing. There are thousands of variations on this. We get to feel rage and hate vicariously without remembering when it was we first felt these things. We need constantly to spin down to some disaster to feel alive. That is why we will go extinct. We need to get close to death to get near the life that is dead inside us, to walk in backward to our corpse. We will destroy the world rather than remember how we really feel because by destroying the world we hope and pray we will feel. We cannot allow ourselves to feel but without feeling there is no life. So we substitute rage and muted sorrow for relived experience.
Knowledge is paradox.
Abraxas
Golden Member
- Oct 26, 2004
- 1,056
- 0
- 0
DMA, tell me, how is it that on the one hand you lambast someone for using a slanted and biased site to define capitalism and then turn to a site like www.victimsofcommunism.org to give the history of communism?
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 23K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter