Canada is Dying (documentary)

[Red Squirrel]

I originally simply pointed out that the documentary existed and this shouldn't even be political. Everyone should be able to agree that this problem should be dealt with and not have fuel added to it to make it bigger. But clearly that's not the case so maybe it should be moved.

 

[WelshBloke]

By building these places it just attracts even more riff raff. We need to stop enabling them, and let our cold winters force them out. Not welcome them. Stop treating them like they're special. There is help available for those who want it, those who don't want it, tough luck. Just like those who didn't want the vaccine were basically shunned from society. Well if these people choose to do drugs then shun them too. Choices have consequences. Like I said, if a normal person stopped paying their taxes, or decided to go crash in a house that's not theirs, they would not be allowed. So why let the crackheads do it? Clearly what they're doing is not working, and at least a thousand or so people who showed up at our town hall meeting agree.

There are in actuality way more than that many who agree as not everyone actually went to the meeting. This was more about the theft issue but the drugs play a big role in that because the theft is to pay for the drugs.

I think that your labouring under this weird misapprehension that anyone here is pro drug addiction.

All your suggestions would lead to more drug addicts and greater suffering and desperation.
No one's going to come off drugs if you just keep making their lives harder and pushing them away from society.

 

[brianmanahan]

No one's going to come off drugs if you just keep making their lives harder and pushing them away from society.

it's worth a try, but some won't stop even if you make their lives easier

an old friend was given chance after chance and bailout after bailout over 30 years, by family and friends that he stole from and hurt multiple times

he finally OD'd last year, but by that point he'd been ostracized by everyone who had tried to help him

nobody bothered to hold a funeral

 

[WelshBloke]

it's worth a try, but some won't stop even if you make their lives easier

I'm not saying they would. What I'm saying is that some of the inconveniences that Red was complaining about would be mitigated by greater support and increased by greater punishments.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I think that your labouring under this weird misapprehension that anyone here is pro drug addiction.

All your suggestions would lead to more drug addicts and greater suffering and desperation.
No one's going to come off drugs if you just keep making their lives harder and pushing them away from society.

I'm all for providing help, there should be more resources for rehab. But all of these people are people who choose not to get help. There is help available, and I wouldn't be against expanding it.

Giving them free needles or a place to inject, or bending bylaws to let them live in places we would not be allowed to as normal citizens is not actually helping them quit, it's helping them continue, and by them continuing it means they will continue to steal from hard working people and causing all the trouble that they cause, including discarding needles everywhere.

It's really sad when even 9 year olds (most likely posting on their parent's account) are begging for this to stop.

https://imgur.com/a/EWfWf2C

When I was 9 years old the worse thing I had to worry about is making it home before the street lights turn on.

 

[MrSquished]

it's worth a try, but some won't stop even if you make their lives easier

an old friend was given chance after chance and bailout after bailout over 30 years, by family and friends that he stole from and hurt multiple times

he finally OD'd last year, but by that point he'd been ostracized by everyone who had tried to help him

nobody bothered to hold a funeral

That's a nice story. Of course there are going to be people that are hopeless. I mean look at the OP, he is a hopeless shitty person that is willfully ignorant and purposely spreads misinformation and evil misinformation at that.

When I was 18 I dropped out of college and when I came back to my hometown I kind of evolved with lots of partying. That involved a lot of drug use, mostly psychedelics and weed and special k an ecstasy, But a few other things here or there.

So I hung with and knew a lot of people that did all sorts of substances.

A few people that ran in our circles did eventually overdose, but nobody close to me.

But guess what. The vast majority of people that used to party like crazy, in friendly and positive vibe ways, but still partied really hard, pretty much everybody that I see on Facebook has a family a career and is doing pretty well. Some very well. Some just okay.

The attitude to drug users by squirrel is disgusting. But he's shown himself to be a disgusting person in general so I'm not surprised. Take people that are drug addicts or drug users and probably poor and bulldoze their homes and shit. The guy is nasty, Just like he is on pretty much every socio economic issue.

I've seen a lot of people use drugs and most turned out fine. Especially if they had a support system. There will always be some that are lost, But the way this piece of shit squirrel is talking about it is pissing me off.

Absolutely no thought for the root causes of any of this or any kind of in-depth empathetic consideration of socioeconomic issues. Or anything. Just eliminate them.

He is a perfect fascist he's a perfect Nazi he would have made a perfect any of the most horrible people in history person.

It's amazing to post a very politically charged topic with a strong political opinion about it and then say oh this is not political. It takes a special kind of stupid.

 

[zinfamous]

You are blind if you think the problem is not getting worse. I am not a sick person for wanting to make it stop, the people who are sick are the ones who keep defending the bad guys who are ruining our cities and actually want to further enable them at the expense of all the hard working people.

Even a reporter who was talking about the problem stepped on a fucking needle. It's completely out of hand and it has to stop. I don't know if the link will work and don't know how to extract the video but this is an actual news article not just a random person:

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This shouldn't even be debatable, you would think everyone could agree that this is a problem that needs to stop.

no one is saying it isn't a problem. It is a problem and we should fix it. It's just that your draconian ideas of how to deal with these problems run completely counter to the best known practices. There is no increased arrest and jail that will fi it. You can't just ship people off to some other city and think you've fixed it.

You're a fucking idiot clown pretending that you can just put them away when dozens of organizations deal with this all the time and understand the problems, and have success doing the exact opposite of what you think needs to be done. You're just fucking clueless on this, because you're a hick that lives in hick towns and it's probably your first encounter with drug addiction, which, go fucking figure: has been decimating hick towns for a decade now. This is much less of an inner city problem than it is a "glorious small town" hick problem. It just is. And i think that's bad, it sucks.

But if we treat and shelter dozens of them at a time, saving you tons of tax dollars that you probably aren't paying anyway because you're some freestater loon, and if just one of those people turns their lives around and becomes a contributing member of society, it already beats your dumbshit ideas that have only ever failed to do anything.

Why don't you actually care about learning about the things you claim to understand, but so clearly do not? why are you this way?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

There is a politics and news forum, @Red Squirrel where you can make your case. Get this moved.

He doesn't want that, he gets his shit shut down even faster in there.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm all for providing help, there should be more resources for rehab. But all of these people are people who choose not to get help. There is help available, and I wouldn't be against expanding it.

Giving them free needles or a place to inject, or bending bylaws to let them live in places we would not be allowed to as normal citizens is not actually helping them quit, it's helping them continue, and by them continuing it means they will continue to steal from hard working people and causing all the trouble that they cause, including discarding needles everywhere.

It's really sad when even 9 year olds (most likely posting on their parent's account) are begging for this to stop.

https://imgur.com/a/EWfWf2C

When I was 9 years old the worse thing I had to worry about is making it home before the street lights turn on.

you're so dumb and uninterested in learning how any of this works, that you refuse to believe the truth that free needles are given in closed clinics, and all disposed before they end up on the streets.

Free needles literally keep needles off the streets. period. It isn't any other way. You're complaining about a real problem and blaming on the actual solution that is extremely effective at solving the problem that you complain about.

Why are you this way? Why do you refuse to challenge your terrible ideas when confronted with actual information from people that actually know how these programs work?

What is your problem, really?

 

[Red Squirrel]

You liberals sure love dishing out insults when we're right. Reality is this drug epidemic is a problem and it needs to come to a full stop ASAP. Giving crackheads free needles and enabling their drug use IS NOT FUCKING WORKING. It's making it WORSE. It's common sense, and it's literally happening right in front of us everywhere. It cannot be denied as it's all around us. Give these people the choice of rehab, or nothing. Shut down the injection sites, shut down the low barrier homeless shelters, stop giving free needles, shutdown the drug houses. Shut it all down. Do everything needed to drive these scumbags out. The needs of the few do not outweigh the majority, especially when catering to their needs is harming the majority. Liberals love to talk about how they are vulnerable and we need to all bend over backwards and feel sorry for them, well what about the fucking innocent 9 year olds getting pricked with needles while going to the park or shop owners just trying to make ends meet but keep getting broken into every night? They don't matter?

 

[MrSquished]

I rest my case. This guy is a mid stage Nazi and there is zero percent chance of him finding reality. As he has proven time and time again.

Know your enemy.

 

[nakedfrog]

You liberals sure love dishing out insults when we're right. Reality is this drug epidemic is a problem and it needs to come to a full stop ASAP. Giving crackheads free needles and enabling their drug use IS NOT FUCKING WORKING. It's making it WORSE. It's common sense, and it's literally happening right in front of us everywhere. It cannot be denied as it's all around us. Give these people the choice of rehab, or nothing. Shut down the injection sites, shut down the low barrier homeless shelters, stop giving free needles, shutdown the drug houses. Shut it all down. Do everything needed to drive these scumbags out. The needs of the few do not outweigh the majority, especially when catering to their needs is harming the majority. Liberals love to talk about how they are vulnerable and we need to all bend over backwards and feel sorry for them, well what about the fucking innocent 9 year olds getting pricked with needles while going to the park or shop owners just trying to make ends meet but keep getting broken into every night? They don't matter?

Matthew 25:31-46

 

[IronWing]

Is Canada dead yet? Can I has its stuff?

 

[Captante]

I find it interesting that SOME posters seem more interesting in being negative and attacking the OP then they are in the topic at hand. (you KNOW who you are.)

Knock it off .... it's embarrassing. (mainly to YOU!)

 

[brycejones]

It's common sense. Think about it. Give drugs/needles to druggies, they do more drugs, and cause more trouble. Reduce the supply, they do less. Remove the entire supply, they stop altogether. Hard to remove completely but that should be the goal. Adding to the supply and actually enabling them is just retarded. That's why we're in this mess. BC is in an even bigger mess, clearly the "solution" of enabling them more is NOT helping.

May as well start serving beer at AA meetings.

How has that strategy worked out in the US? Millions in prison, militarized police, billions and billions spent every year and yet no reduction in drug use, thousands dying every year from over doses, drugs cheaper than they've ever been.

Your solution amounts to "The beatings will continue until moral improves"

You have to deal with the issues causing people to turn to intoxicants to escape in the first place and make it easy to get help when people decide they need it to break that cycle of addiction. Until then our job should be keep them alive and minimize the harm.

 

[sdifox]

I find it interesting that SOME posters seem more interesting in being negative and attacking the OP then they are in the topic at hand. (you KNOW who you are.)

Knock it off .... it's embarrassing. (mainly to YOU!)

Oh really? You mean when he doesn't know the topic at hand?

 

[Captante]

Oh really? You mean when he doesn't know the topic at hand?

That post wasn't directed at you even a little bit.

I tend to get fed up with the more "sanctimonious" among us if that makes sense ... IME THEY have the most issues of anyone IRL.

"Holier than thou" my a$$.



I may not agree with everything @Red Squirrel posts here but I know for a fact he's a decent guy and THAT is what I go on primarily not a bunch of made-up & opinionated nonsense. (20+ years is a LONG time and counts for something with me)

Everyone needs to try to keep the insults in-check unless they want to get the same treatment in return. (the majority of you guys are just jealous Red is BETTER OFF than you are lolol)

 

[MrSquished]

I find it interesting that SOME posters seem more interesting in being negative and attacking the OP then they are in the topic at hand. (you KNOW who you are.)

Knock it off .... it's embarrassing. (mainly to YOU!)

I find it embarrassing you haven't realized talking to the OP about anything is pointless. He will always spread lies and be as bad as any right-winger possible . It's just about time to point out how fucking gone these people are and take an assessment of the lay of the land.

I think people need to start realizing who the enemy is, You know who you are.

It's good to see most people get this guy. You should try joining the club man. It's based upon a lot of research and data.

 

[Captante]

I find it embarrassing you haven't realized talking to the OP about anything is pointless. He will always spread lies and be as bad as any right-winger possible . It's just about time to point out how fucking gone these people are and take an assessment of the lay of the land.

I think people need to start realizing who the enemy is, You know who you are.

It's good to see most people get this guy. You should try joining the club man. It's based upon a lot of research and data.

I must have missed the part where I referred to you specifically but thanks for self-identifying ... nice to see I haven't lost my touch!

*(hell I even think YOU are a decent guy although I do break your balls frequently, so clearly I'm clueless right?)


Frankly I'd rather be in Red's position financially than the VAST majority of other posters on AT and I literally could not care less what anyone thinks about that fact. (sorry)

 

[Red Squirrel]

How has that strategy worked out in the US? Millions in prison, militarized police, billions and billions spent every year and yet no reduction in drug use, thousands dying every year from over doses, drugs cheaper than they've ever been.

Your solution amounts to "The beatings will continue until moral improves"

You have to deal with the issues causing people to turn to intoxicants to escape in the first place and make it easy to get help when people decide they need it to break that cycle of addiction. Until then our job should be keep them alive and minimize the harm.

The drug issue is not as bad in the US (but still not perfect), though the issue with the US is they seem more interested in going after small drug users, and even less serious drugs like weed, than going after the big cartels etc. They only bother with the low hanging fruit. The US approach is not great at all but it's better than our approach of basically legalizing theft, assault, drug trafficking etc. The issue is the double standard too. All those things are basically legal and practically encouraged if it's junkies doing it but if you or me decided to shoplift or vandalize something we'd get in trouble. We also can't defend ourselves from these people because we're the ones that get in trouble if we do. It's completely insane how protected these degenerates are here.

Everyone who disagrees with me needs to at very least take the time to watch the documentary in the OP. It's actually well done, they lay out the facts and show you what is going on and that what governments are doing is not working and only making it worse.

 

[Captante]

Everyone who disagrees with me needs to at very least take the time to watch the documentary in the OP. It's actually well done, they lay out the facts and show you what is going on and that what governments are doing is not working and only making it worse.

Problem is that MANY posters here don't even really read posts from members they disagree with even if the topic is 100% different.

Same attitude on both sides of the aisle has led to the current $hit-show in DC where "compromise" has become the impossible dream.

 

[IronWing]

The US approach is not great at all but it's better than our approach of basically legalizing theft, assault, drug trafficking etc. The issue is the double standard too. All those things are basically legal and practically encouraged if it's junkies doing it but if you or me decided to shoplift or vandalize something we'd get in trouble.

Stop lying and maybe people would take your concerns more seriously.

 

[Captante]

Fact is that some cities in the US have let things get largely out of hand .... looking @ you SF and Portland OR in particular.

I fully support "safe-injection" and all "harm-reduction" tactics to KEEP PEOPLE FROM DYING but letting repeat offenders walk sans bail and "hands-off" shoplifting policies (for examples) make things worse for the average guy not better.

You wonder why the freaking DEODORANT is displayed under lock and key in many pharmacies now? Stop wondering.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Stop lying and maybe people would take your concerns more seriously.

This happens all the fucking time you can't just say it's a lie just because you've never seen it happen. Shop lifters are basically allowed to continue and nobody is allowed to stop them. If someone tries to break into your house you're also not allowed to do anything to them or you're the one that gets in trouble. And if they do get caught they're just given a slap on the wrist and let go. It's always been this way too, it's just that now there is way more theft because they know they can get away with it. Again, watch the video, it talks about this too.

There's a grocery store here that seems to be a prime target, and any staff that tries to stop shoplifters gets fired. They even fired their security guard for being "too aggressive".

It's a small town, people talk, word gets around. I know what's going on.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Problem is that MANY posters here don't even really read posts from members they disagree with even if the topic is 100% different.

Same attitude on both sides of the aisle has led to the current $hit-show in DC where "compromise" has become the impossible dream.

Seems to be an issue in politics in general, even watching house of commons, it's like a day care in there lol.