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Canada is Dying (documentary)

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Red Squirrel said:
It's common sense. Think about it. Give drugs/needles to druggies, they do more drugs, and cause more trouble. Reduce the supply, they do less. Remove the entire supply, they stop altogether. Hard to remove completely but that should be the goal. Adding to the supply and actually enabling them is just retarded. That's why we're in this mess. BC is in an even bigger mess, clearly the "solution" of enabling them more is NOT helping.

May as well start serving beer at AA meetings.
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this is patently untrue, and easily proved by the decades of data on all of these programs, all over the world. It's also vastly cheaper on municipalities when shelter and safe drug use is offered compared to the status quo.

You honestly have no idea what the cost is of constantly shuffling street addicts into jail and hospital and on the street is. It's insane. Housing and providing safe living for like 20 junkies is vastly cheaper than dealing with one of them in the dystopian world that you wish to perpetuate on your fellow man. There is literally no debate here. You propose pure evil because the evidence that you are wrong is vast, which means you have a great desire to harm people.

You are a sick, fucking puppy, RedSquirrel. Jesus weeps when he hears you speak. Enjoy hell, asshole.
 
sdifox said:
Your comment cents goes against reality. Street drug laced with fentanyl is the major killer. Provide safe drug source and the death rate drops. Then you treat the addiction. Sure cost a lot more than letting them die but hey it kind of what a compassionate society is for.

OR, you can start paying me back for thirty years of me subsidizing your rural lifestyle.
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I expect he probably thinks that's sad, but it's their own stupid fault for being druggies, and that Canada is better off for it. It's not like they're real people anymore, they're just "druggies" and "hobos".
 
You are blind if you think the problem is not getting worse. I am not a sick person for wanting to make it stop, the people who are sick are the ones who keep defending the bad guys who are ruining our cities and actually want to further enable them at the expense of all the hard working people.

Even a reporter who was talking about the problem stepped on a fucking needle. It's completely out of hand and it has to stop. I don't know if the link will work and don't know how to extract the video but this is an actual news article not just a random person:

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This shouldn't even be debatable, you would think everyone could agree that this is a problem that needs to stop.
 
This guy is a perfect example of how people become dictatorial, authoritarian and become good little fascists that support the most horrific things. He literally is a case study in the formation of the shittiest people in the populations of human history because he has no concept of anything outside his little bubble. And is totally unwilling to even try to.
 
Red Squirrel said:
You are blind if you think the problem is not getting worse. I am not a sick person for wanting to make it stop, the people who are sick are the ones who keep defending the bad guys who are ruining our cities and actually want to further enable them at the expense of all the hard working people.

Even a reporter who was talking about the problem stepped on a fucking needle. It's completely out of hand and it has to stop. I don't know if the link will work and don't know how to extract the video but this is an actual news article not just a random person:

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This shouldn't even be debatable, you would think everyone could agree that this is a problem that needs to stop.
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Dude just saying "it's a problem and needs to stop" is not going to make it stop!
Not giving junkies needles is not going to make it stop.
Making harsher prison sentences is not going to make it stop.

If you want to take it off the streets then you have to make the junkies a better alternative than keeping it on the streets.
Needle exchanges and safe areas for people do exactly that. They take it off the streets. They also give support workers an in to get to know and work with the addicts in the area.
 
MrSquished said:
This guy is a perfect example of how people become dictatorial, authoritarian and become good little fascists that support the most horrific things. He literally is a case study in the formation of the shittiest people in the populations of human history because he has no concept of anything outside his little bubble. And is totally unwilling to even try to.
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I wouldn't say that, he just doesn't think further than the first action. He doesn't think through the repercussions of what his suggestions would do.
Like in this thread he sees drug addiction as bad for society (logical point and few people would disagree), but his solution is what? To make something illegal more illegal because if you make it double illegal then obviously people will stop doing it. Presumably they didn't notice that it was illegal when it was just single illegal!
 
WelshBloke said:
Dude just saying "it's a problem and needs to stop" is not going to make it stop!
Not giving junkies needles is not going to make it stop.
Making harsher prison sentences is not going to make it stop.

If you want to take it off the streets then you have to make the junkies a better alternative than keeping it on the streets.
Needle exchanges and safe areas for people do exactly that. They take it off the streets. They also give support workers an in to get to know and work with the addicts in the area.
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Enabling them only makes it worse. They go to the safe injection site and immediately go out the door and are back on the street. What difference does it make? Shut that shit hole down, open more rehab centres instead. Shut down all the drug houses too. Someone looked up tax records and found that some of them are even owned by the city. There is no reason they can't bulldoze these places down. If your house is not up to code or work was done without a permit it gets condemned and they might ask you to tear it down. Well those houses are probably not up to code either. Need to stop sympathizing with the crackheads who are causing all the problems. I don't know why some people think they are more important than rest of us.

Whatever it is they are doing is clearly not working. So the logical thing is to stop.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Enabling them only makes it worse.
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Does it? It used to be that you could get heroin on prescription in the UK if you were an addict and that kept numbers low because there was no profit margin for dealers so they didn't bother with that trade.
As soon as it was made more difficult to get the illegal trade in it exploded.
Red Squirrel said:
They go to the safe injection site and immediately go out the door and are back on the street.
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And? If the needles and drugs are still in the safe space what's the problem?
Red Squirrel said:
What difference does it make?
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Well you wouldn't be stepping on any needles for a start.
Red Squirrel said:
Shut that shit hole down, open more rehab centres instead. Shut down all the drug houses too. Someone looked up tax records and found that some of them are even owned by the city. There is no reason they can't bulldoze these places down. If your house is not up to code or work was done without a permit it gets condemned and they might ask you to tear it down. Well those houses are probably not up to code either. Need to stop sympathizing with the crackheads who are causing all the problems. I don't know why some people think they are more important than rest of us.
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So your answer to people being drug addicts is to bulldoze their houses?
And you think that making addicts homeless is going to keep them off the streets because?
This is the point I was making about you not thinking things through.
 
WelshBloke said:
I wouldn't say that, he just doesn't think further than the first action. He doesn't think through the repercussions of what his suggestions would do.
Like in this thread he sees drug addiction as bad for society (logical point and few people would disagree), but his solution is what? To make something illegal more illegal because if you make it double illegal then obviously people will stop doing it. Presumably they didn't notice that it was illegal when it was just single illegal!
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Dude I'm telling you he really is that person. And he proves it by saying they should bulldoze their homes. The guy is the worst of the worst. There is no getting through to him. He has proven it for years. We have to start to understand the enemy like previous people in history have had to understand, or they end up really surprised by bad shit when all sudden these people they thought were reachable are now full-blown fascists or nationalists or authoritarian.

Squirrel is the enemy and that's all there is to it. Keep trying to talk to him it's hopeless.
 
Enabling rural dwellers is not going to stop them from leeching. I propose urban dwellers stop subsidizing rural leeches. They chose that lifestyle, they can pay for it.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
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MrSquished said:
Dude I'm telling you he really is that person. And he proves it by saying they should bulldoze their homes. The guy is the worst of the worst. There is no getting through to him. He has proven it for years. We have to start to understand the enemy like previous people in history have had to understand, or they end up really surprised by bad shit when all sudden these people they thought were reachable are now full-blown fascists or nationalists or authoritarian.

Squirrel is the enemy and that's all there is to it. Keep trying to talk to him it's hopeless.
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I think that he genuinely believe that if you take away the symptoms of a problem then the problem will magically fix itself.
Like you don't want addicts in a house so if you bulldoze the house then the problem is solved. Not thinking that now you either have more addicts on the streets or they just move into a different house. I think that he genuinely believes that if you bulldoze the house then there's no more addicts in that house so the problem is solved.
 
WelshBloke said:
I think that he genuinely believe that if you take away the symptoms of a problem then the problem will magically fix itself.
Like you don't want addicts in a house so if you bulldoze the house then the problem is solved. Not thinking that now you either have more addicts on the streets or they just move into a different house. I think that he genuinely believes that if you bulldoze the house then there's no more addicts in that house so the problem is solved.
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Addicts, Jews, Gays, Libruls, Communists, whatever. Substitute whatever you want for that type of person and he will be a part of the worst of humanity's history. I guarantee it.
 
nakedfrog said:
Y'all are talking to the guy who argued about the definition of "indefinitely" here.
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Are you talking about me because that is totally something that I would do if I was stoned? 😆
I would argue indefinitely about it as well.

Or at least for a bit.

Which I guess is an indefinite amount of time.
 
MrSquished said:
Addicts, Jews, Gays, Libruls, Communists, whatever. Substitute whatever you want for that type of person and he will be a part of the worst of humanity's history. I guarantee it.
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Well yeah. Not thinking things through absolutely puts you at the mercy of people manipulating you. And after awhile you just start acting as you've been trained. Don't think too hard about anything and pick the "easy" solution is absolutely a slippery slope to radicalism.
 
WelshBloke said:
Does it? It used to be that you could get heroin on prescription in the UK if you were an addict and that kept numbers low because there was no profit margin for dealers so they didn't bother with that trade.
As soon as it was made more difficult to get the illegal trade in it exploded.

And? If the needles and drugs are still in the safe space what's the problem?
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Except they're not, as clearly shown in all the incidents going on everywhere. They end up in parks and kids step on them, and even reporters talking about kids stepping on them step on them. They also have safe deposit boxes but the druggies don't care to use them. The druggies are the most heartless pieces of shit humans that exist. Catering to them only makes things worse. They do not care about anyone. They would steal from their own mother for a fix.

The minute they introduced the living space (a low barrier homeless shelter that mostly caters to addicts) and the safe injection site this issue has skyrocketted. It's only really been an issue in the past 5-10 years or so. We never had this many homeless or addicts here, and theft was also not as bad. Every single thing they are doing is making the problem worse.


WelshBloke said:
So your answer to people being drug addicts is to bulldoze their houses?
And you think that making addicts homeless is going to keep them off the streets because?
This is the point I was making about you not thinking things through.
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Try not paying your taxes as a regular citizen, see how well that works out for you! Why do these people get more rights than rest of us? Anyone of us would be kicked out of our own home if we stopped paying our taxes. These people do not pay taxes, they don't even own those houses, they are usually living in abandoned houses that they've trashed over the years. They are parasites. Stop catering to them and they will eventually have to go away. Especially when the -40's hit. Give them a 1 way ticket to Toronto, they voted for this stuff, they can deal with it.
 
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Red Squirrel said:
Except they're not, as clearly shown in all the incidents going on everywhere. They end up in parks and kids step on them, and even reporters talking about kids stepping on them step on them. They also have safe deposit boxes but the druggies don't care to use them. The druggies are the most heartless pieces of shit humans that exist. Catering to them only makes things worse. They do not care about anyone. They would steal from their own mother for a fix.

The minute they introduced the living space (a low barrier homeless shelter that mostly caters to addicts) and the safe injection site this issue has skyrocketted. It's only really been an issue in the past 5-10 years or so. We never had this many homeless or addicts here, and theft was also not as bad. Every single thing they are doing is making the problem worse.




Try not paying your taxes as a regular citizen, see how well that works out for you! Why do these people get more rights than rest of us? Anyone of us would be kicked out of our own home if we stopped paying our taxes. These people do not pay taxes, they don't even own those houses, they are usually living in abandoned houses that they've trashed over the years. They are parasites. Stop catering to them and they will eventually have to go away. Especially when the -40's hit. Give them a 1 way ticket to Toronto, they voted for this stuff, they can deal with it.
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So you want to close down safe injection clinics and bulldoze drug users houses.

So when you close down a controlled injection site do you think that there would be less or more drug usage on the streets?
And when you bulldoze their houses do you think that you will end up with more or less drug usage on the streets?

It sounds like your ideas are formulated purely to have more homeless drug users tbh.
 
WelshBloke said:
So you want to close down safe injection clinics and bulldoze drug users houses.

So when you close down a controlled injection site do you think that there would be less or more drug usage on the streets?
And when you bulldoze their houses do you think that you will end up with more or less drug usage on the streets?

It sounds like your ideas are formulated purely to have more homeless drug users tbh.
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By building these places it just attracts even more riff raff. We need to stop enabling them, and let our cold winters force them out. Not welcome them. Stop treating them like they're special. There is help available for those who want it, those who don't want it, tough luck. Just like those who didn't want the vaccine were basically shunned from society. Well if these people choose to do drugs then shun them too. Choices have consequences. Like I said, if a normal person stopped paying their taxes, or decided to go crash in a house that's not theirs, they would not be allowed. So why let the crackheads do it? Clearly what they're doing is not working, and at least a thousand or so people who showed up at our town hall meeting agree.

There are in actuality way more than that many who agree as not everyone actually went to the meeting. This was more about the theft issue but the drugs play a big role in that because the theft is to pay for the drugs.

 
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