Can you prove the Bible has fallacies?

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: Cooler
One word: "Science"

Fixed. Evolution is part of science anyway. can you disprove science? Science proves everyday that the bible is a lie. Yes i am jewish but more of an aethian. i believe in science and not in the bible. here is a quote from a good book i have.

History does not record anywhere at any time a religon that has any rational basis. Religon is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religon and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.

or this better one:

The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petualnt if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

Kudos to anyone that can tell what book this is from. Anyway, i don't mean to sound rude, but as the quote said, you don't have any evidense that the bible is correct and yet science disproves everything that the bible says everyday. so there's your evidence.

Sound's like that crackhead Nietzsche's babble to me. Couldn't tell you which book though, don't really care.

 

[ForumMaster]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: Cooler
One word: "Science"

Fixed. Evolution is part of science anyway. can you disprove science? Science proves everyday that the bible is a lie. Yes i am jewish but more of an aethian. i believe in science and not in the bible. here is a quote from a good book i have.

History does not record anywhere at any time a religon that has any rational basis. Religon is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religon and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.

or this better one:

The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petualnt if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

Kudos to anyone that can tell what book this is from. Anyway, i don't mean to sound rude, but as the quote said, you don't have any evidense that the bible is correct and yet science disproves everything that the bible says everyday. so there's your evidence.

Look I dislike the blind faith in the bible as much as the next guy but.............

Science does not set out to nor does it ever 'prove' anything. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of science.

I hate to jump the fence but what about the Bible does science disprove?

what i meant was more directed towards relgion in general. such as the fact that some people still believe that the sun rises everyday cause fire horses and a giant chariot tow it across the sky. But the bible claims that humans were created by god and yet science has proven evoltuion with fossils and such. Do fossils and DNA and such not prove that humans are related to monkey's? Does the bible say we evolved from monkeys? no. they say that we were designed in god's image. but that's not true. and as of today, most of the phenomon that were unexplained for thousands of years is being explained by science and replacing the myths and religon that explain those once un-explainable phenomon. that's what i meant.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nik
Nah, I already have. Same reasons I believe Catholics/mormons != Christians

They have really messed up beliefs and some beliefs that directly contradict the teachings of Christ.

Okay I'm going to bed. Really. I need sleep or I'm going to fvcking die.

Wasn't it the Catholics who decided what should and shouldn't be in the New Testament?

 

[Amused]

The most interesting question along these lines is this:

Do you think someone will be able to disprove the movie "Forrest Gump" in 2000 years?

At any rate, it's not up to the non-believer to disprove the bible. It is up to the believer to prove it.

The burden of proof lies with those making positive claims.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

I already believe the Bible is the Word of God. I am just open to other people's opinions.[/quote]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Basically, I want anyone to try to give me solid, undeniable evidence that the Bible has fallacies, and I, in turn, will try to give you evidence of the contrary.

uh huh, open to other people's opinions, I see.

 

[Kelemvor]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Why do you have ti DISprove something that has never been PROVEn in the first place?

If you can't prove it, then you try to disprove it. Same goes for evolution and creationism.

You could just ignore all of them...let the loonies on all sides scream and shout how THEY are right, or that THEIR god is the ONLY true god...while you go about your life in bliss and happiness, knowing they are all wrong...Juju, the god who lives high in the great Macarena Tree is the only REAL TRUE god...the rest of them are all going to be ground up for fertilizer...

Heh heh. Sounds good to me.

All Praise the Great Juju!

 

[J Heartless Slick]

"Can you disprove the Bible?"

No.

You can not prove or disaprove someone's faith. And I have no desire to do that anyway.

 

[Schadenfreude]

So . . . uh, are there any slices of pie left?

 

[dmw16]

You can't disprove or prove the bible as being fact. I believe that the bible is meant as parable - that is to say it is stories that give people examples on how to live their lives. That being said, I don't believe in the concept of god presented in the bible (although I feel that I am a spiritual person). To accept the bible as cold hard (literal) fact seems foolish to me. To think that God created the earth in 6 days denies mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary. People are entitled to believe what they want, but I never understood how people could claim that there is no evidence of evolution, etc.

 

[mattjbak]

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
How about 3 or 4 days went by after the universe was created before the sun was created?... What was a day before there was a sun?

Where did Lilith come from?

made me laugh, assuming you are sarcastic...


ALSO... Either way on the issue the only way to DISPROVE the bible is to find a contradiction that holds up with original translations, otherwise it's more ignorant angry know it all speak.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nik
Nah, I already have. Same reasons I believe Catholics/mormons != Christians

They have really messed up beliefs and some beliefs that directly contradict the teachings of Christ.

Okay I'm going to bed. Really. I need sleep or I'm going to fvcking die.

Wasn't it the Catholics who decided what should and shouldn't be in the New Testament?

If so, they must have forgotten because the Catholic religion is so far fvcked up and twisted from what the Bible teaches.

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick
"Can you disprove the Bible?"

No.

You can not prove or disaprove someone's faith. And I have no desire to do that anyway.

QFT :thumbsup:

 

[skace]

Ask any religious mentor and they will tell you "the bible is not to be taken literally". Because of this, any 1 line can have 300 different meanings. Not only that, but that 1 line is different depending on the translation (old english / etc) and may not even be accurate to the original text. If you are following along, you will quickly realize disproving it, even attempting to argue a single line is a fools game.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nik
Nah, I already have. Same reasons I believe Catholics/mormons != Christians

They have really messed up beliefs and some beliefs that directly contradict the teachings of Christ.

Okay I'm going to bed. Really. I need sleep or I'm going to fvcking die.

Wasn't it the Catholics who decided what should and shouldn't be in the New Testament?

And I can understand mormons (being that they read from a different book with a whole different set of beliefs), but catholics are christians. They were the first christians. Protestants, lutherans, etc. are all offshoots of catholic christianity. If you look at their practices, they're all nearly identical (including catholics) except in a few details.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Nik
I'm not a bhuddist and have no intentions of ever being such, so it's kind of hard to know what a bhuddist POV would be (because I'm narrow-minded), so no I can't say that I have.

Bold added for emphasis

 

[nakedfrog]

Why does the Bible have to be completely factual for you to follow it's teachings?

 

[Eeezee]

The Bible contains events and ideas that historically did not happen. I don't even need to discuss the dinosaurs, the flood, the virgin birth, or the dozens of other inconsistencies. I'll just talk about planetary science for the time being because it is enough.

Here, I'm going to pose some questions, and "because God wanted to" or "because God works in myseterious ways" are not acceptable answers.

Why did God form the Jovian planets?
Why did God form other Terrestrial planets?
Why did God choose the specific size, composition, etc. for the stars, planets, etc.?
How did God create the planet in 6000 or so years, yet scientific evidence shows the Earth forming 4 billion years ago?

You need to ask yourself these questions seriously.

Last but not least, why does God not speak to you directly if he wants you to praise him?

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Why does the Bible have to be completely factual for you to follow it's teachings?

Because a lot of Christians aren't interested in being good people. They're interested in going to Heaven. This is why we get the ultra-conservative, literal interpreters of the bible blowing up abortion clinics and protesting The Da Vinci Code.

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: Cooler
One word: "Science"

Fixed. Evolution is part of science anyway. can you disprove science? Science proves everyday that the bible is a lie. Yes i am jewish but more of an aethian. i believe in science and not in the bible. here is a quote from a good book i have.

History does not record anywhere at any time a religon that has any rational basis. Religon is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religon and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.

or this better one:

The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petualnt if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

Kudos to anyone that can tell what book this is from. Anyway, i don't mean to sound rude, but as the quote said, you don't have any evidense that the bible is correct and yet science disproves everything that the bible says everyday. so there's your evidence.

Look I dislike the blind faith in the bible as much as the next guy but.............

Science does not set out to nor does it ever 'prove' anything. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of science.

I hate to jump the fence but what about the Bible does science disprove?

what i meant was more directed towards relgion in general. such as the fact that some people still believe that the sun rises everyday cause fire horses and a giant chariot tow it across the sky. But the bible claims that humans were created by god and yet science has proven evoltuion with fossils and such. Do fossils and DNA and such not prove that humans are related to monkey's? Does the bible say we evolved from monkeys? no. they say that we were designed in god's image. but that's not true. and as of today, most of the phenomon that were unexplained for thousands of years is being explained by science and replacing the myths and religon that explain those once un-explainable phenomon. that's what i meant.

Evolution isn't science; it's a faith, the same as creatonism and belief in God is.

How has science proven evolution? Where are the transitional forms?

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: eilute
No.

You shouldn't really be saying whether the Bible contradicts itself or not if you don't understand the simple concept of imaculate conception, one of the key points of the message of Christ. Read the Bible (focus on the new testament) extensively, do some research, then come back and post in this thread

I have to ask. Would it really make a difference to you if Mary were not a 'virgin'? Suppose it was a mistranslation? Suppose they found a dead sea scroll which supported such a claim. What if she was simply a 'young girl'?

Does your belief in Jesus being 'the way' ride on imaculate conception or just your religion?

It does make a difference in viewing Jesus as sin-free. We are all born with original sin because Eve was tempted and therefore tempted Adam away from God. To be born without this original sin, he had to be formed without intercourse, from God. Mary was only a carrier.

This is important because of the traditions that Christianity builds on. A sacrifice of an innocent has to be made to attone. This is why lambs were often sacrificed before harvests and such. They believed that God would see the innocence of the lamb above the sins of the people and therefore deliver a good climate for crops. This idea was applied through Jesus in Christianity. Jesus was the innocent lamb who was sacrificed so God sees his innocence instead of our sins.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: Cooler
One word: "Science"

Fixed. Evolution is part of science anyway. can you disprove science? Science proves everyday that the bible is a lie. Yes i am jewish but more of an aethian. i believe in science and not in the bible. here is a quote from a good book i have.

History does not record anywhere at any time a religon that has any rational basis. Religon is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religon and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.

or this better one:

The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petualnt if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

Kudos to anyone that can tell what book this is from. Anyway, i don't mean to sound rude, but as the quote said, you don't have any evidense that the bible is correct and yet science disproves everything that the bible says everyday. so there's your evidence.

Look I dislike the blind faith in the bible as much as the next guy but.............

Science does not set out to nor does it ever 'prove' anything. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of science.

I hate to jump the fence but what about the Bible does science disprove?

what i meant was more directed towards relgion in general. such as the fact that some people still believe that the sun rises everyday cause fire horses and a giant chariot tow it across the sky. But the bible claims that humans were created by god and yet science has proven evoltuion with fossils and such. Do fossils and DNA and such not prove that humans are related to monkey's? Does the bible say we evolved from monkeys? no. they say that we were designed in god's image. but that's not true. and as of today, most of the phenomon that were unexplained for thousands of years is being explained by science and replacing the myths and religon that explain those once un-explainable phenomon. that's what i meant.

Evolution isn't science; it's a faith, the same as creatonism and belief in God is.

How has science proven evolution? Where are the transitional forms?

Whoa now, it sounds like you have no respect for science and don't even know what it is.

Evolution is most definitely a part of the science known as Biology. You can even observe it in a laboratory. Evolution is not only observable, but it is reproducible. Scientifically, it is the best-fitting theory of today. Before evolution there were theories like spontaneous generation. This theory was disproven, and therefore spontaneous generation is no longer considered a viable theory. Evolution can be disproven, but this has yet to be done. Evolution is as much science as Physics and Chemistry.

Creationism is not observable or reproducible. Science beings with observation followed by a hypothesis. Creationism does not fit into any part of the scientific method as it is nothing more than curious speculation. If anything, creationism is philosophy, not science.

Belief in God is faith, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: Cooler
One word: "Science"

Fixed. Evolution is part of science anyway. can you disprove science? Science proves everyday that the bible is a lie. Yes i am jewish but more of an aethian. i believe in science and not in the bible. here is a quote from a good book i have.

History does not record anywhere at any time a religon that has any rational basis. Religon is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religon and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.

or this better one:

The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petualnt if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

Kudos to anyone that can tell what book this is from. Anyway, i don't mean to sound rude, but as the quote said, you don't have any evidense that the bible is correct and yet science disproves everything that the bible says everyday. so there's your evidence.

Look I dislike the blind faith in the bible as much as the next guy but.............

Science does not set out to nor does it ever 'prove' anything. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of science.

I hate to jump the fence but what about the Bible does science disprove?

what i meant was more directed towards relgion in general. such as the fact that some people still believe that the sun rises everyday cause fire horses and a giant chariot tow it across the sky. But the bible claims that humans were created by god and yet science has proven evoltuion with fossils and such. Do fossils and DNA and such not prove that humans are related to monkey's? Does the bible say we evolved from monkeys? no. they say that we were designed in god's image. but that's not true. and as of today, most of the phenomon that were unexplained for thousands of years is being explained by science and replacing the myths and religon that explain those once un-explainable phenomon. that's what i meant.

Evolution isn't science; it's a faith, the same as creatonism and belief in God is.

How has science proven evolution? Where are the transitional forms?

Whoa now, it sounds like you have no respect for science and don't even know what it is.

Evolution is most definitely a part of the science known as Biology. You can even observe it in a laboratory. Evolution is not only observable, but it is reproducible. Scientifically, it is the best-fitting theory of today. Before evolution there were theories like spontaneous generation. This theory was disproven, and therefore spontaneous generation is no longer considered a viable theory. Evolution can be disproven, but this has yet to be done. Evolution is as much science as Physics and Chemistry.

Creationism is not observable or reproducible. Science beings with observation followed by a hypothesis. Creationism does not fit into any part of the scientific method as it is nothing more than curious speculation. If anything, creationism is philosophy, not science.

Belief in God is faith, nothing more and nothing less.

QFT
They aren't mutually exclusive because they aren't in the same category.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Nothing in the bible can be proven. It's all a work of fiction.

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: Cooler
One word: "Science"

Fixed. Evolution is part of science anyway. can you disprove science? Science proves everyday that the bible is a lie. Yes i am jewish but more of an aethian. i believe in science and not in the bible. here is a quote from a good book i have.

History does not record anywhere at any time a religon that has any rational basis. Religon is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religon and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.

or this better one:

The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petualnt if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

Kudos to anyone that can tell what book this is from. Anyway, i don't mean to sound rude, but as the quote said, you don't have any evidense that the bible is correct and yet science disproves everything that the bible says everyday. so there's your evidence.

Look I dislike the blind faith in the bible as much as the next guy but.............

Science does not set out to nor does it ever 'prove' anything. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of science.

I hate to jump the fence but what about the Bible does science disprove?

what i meant was more directed towards relgion in general. such as the fact that some people still believe that the sun rises everyday cause fire horses and a giant chariot tow it across the sky. But the bible claims that humans were created by god and yet science has proven evoltuion with fossils and such. Do fossils and DNA and such not prove that humans are related to monkey's? Does the bible say we evolved from monkeys? no. they say that we were designed in god's image. but that's not true. and as of today, most of the phenomon that were unexplained for thousands of years is being explained by science and replacing the myths and religon that explain those once un-explainable phenomon. that's what i meant.

Evolution isn't science; it's a faith, the same as creatonism and belief in God is.

How has science proven evolution? Where are the transitional forms?

Whoa now, it sounds like you have no respect for science and don't even know what it is.

Evolution is most definitely a part of the science known as Biology. You can even observe it in a laboratory. Evolution is not only observable, but it is reproducible. Scientifically, it is the best-fitting theory of today. Before evolution there were theories like spontaneous generation. This theory was disproven, and therefore spontaneous generation is no longer considered a viable theory. Evolution can be disproven, but this has yet to be done. Evolution is as much science as Physics and Chemistry.

Creationism is not observable or reproducible. Science beings with observation followed by a hypothesis. Creationism does not fit into any part of the scientific method as it is nothing more than curious speculation. If anything, creationism is philosophy, not science.

Belief in God is faith, nothing more and nothing less.

QFT
They aren't mutually exclusive because they aren't in the same category.

Thermodynamics and Entropy.

Probability and Order.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Thermodynamics and Entropy.

Probability and Order.

Please don't insult people by linking to an obviously biased source. My pastor also tried to use the Entropy vs. Evolution argument, and it is completely wrong. You have to realize that the idea of continually rising entropy applies to the universe as a whole, not just to our little planet which makes up a billionth of a percent of nothing. While local pockets of order will arise from randomness, the overall trend is towards chaos.