Can you prove the Bible has fallacies?

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her209

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The Bible should be the one that needs to provide the proof... not the other way around.
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Well I'm simply going to disagree with you on this since I believe human tampering in the Bible does not prove God as not existing.
Are you saying that you believe there was human tampering?

Yes. I have what I consider to be proof in the King James Version. It does not alter the meaning or value of what is said, but there seems to be evidence that one of the translators snuck his name into the King James Version.

Here is what I have:

Go to Psalm 46 in the King James Version. The 46th word from the beginning is 'shake'. The 46th word in from the end is 'spear'.

It is believed that Shakespear was one of the men King James commisioned to translate the Bible at that time into a modern version. King James warned that anyone found altering it or sneaking his name into it in any way would be killed. Shakespear is believed to have been in his 40's at this time.... perhaps he turned 46?

Anyway, it's there. I just checked it again with my pocket King James Bible.
 

DAGTA

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In addition to my previous post:

KJV wikipedia
The King James Version of the Bible was first published in 1611.

William Shakespeare
Shakespeare is believed to have lived from 1564 to 1616. As such, his 46th birthday was in 1610, which correlates to when work was being done on translating the Bible into what is known as the King James Version.
 

everman

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Well I'm simply going to disagree with you on this since I believe human tampering in the Bible does not prove God as not existing.
Are you saying that you believe there was human tampering?

Yes. I have what I consider to be proof in the King James Version. It does not alter the meaning or value of what is said, but there seems to be evidence that one of the translators snuck his name into the King James Version.

Here is what I have:

Go to Psalm 46 in the King James Version. The 46th word from the beginning is 'shake'. The 46th word in from the end is 'spear'.

It is believed that Shakespear was one of the men King James commisioned to translate the Bible at that time into a modern version. King James warned that anyone found altering it or sneaking his name into it in any way would be killed. Shakespear is believed to have been in his 40's at this time.... perhaps he turned 46?

Anyway, it's there. I just checked it again with my pocket King James Bible.

I wouldn't consider this to be very credible evidence. You can do that with any word or phrase, and with any book. Kind of like those crazy "Bible Code" people that claim to have found some secret code in the Bible.
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Well I'm simply going to disagree with you on this since I believe human tampering in the Bible does not prove God as not existing.
Are you saying that you believe there was human tampering?

Yes. I have what I consider to be proof in the King James Version. It does not alter the meaning or value of what is said, but there seems to be evidence that one of the translators snuck his name into the King James Version.

Here is what I have:

Go to Psalm 46 in the King James Version. The 46th word from the beginning is 'shake'. The 46th word in from the end is 'spear'.

It is believed that Shakespear was one of the men King James commisioned to translate the Bible at that time into a modern version. King James warned that anyone found altering it or sneaking his name into it in any way would be killed. Shakespear is believed to have been in his 40's at this time.... perhaps he turned 46?

Anyway, it's there. I just checked it again with my pocket King James Bible.

I wouldn't consider this to be very credible evidence. You can do that with any word or phrase, and with any book. Kind of like those crazy "Bible Code" people that claim to have found some secret code in the Bible.

Please see my second post giving dates to the events.
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Well I'm simply going to disagree with you on this since I believe human tampering in the Bible does not prove God as not existing.
Are you saying that you believe there was human tampering?

Yes. I have what I consider to be proof in the King James Version. It does not alter the meaning or value of what is said, but there seems to be evidence that one of the translators snuck his name into the King James Version.

Here is what I have:

Go to Psalm 46 in the King James Version. The 46th word from the beginning is 'shake'. The 46th word in from the end is 'spear'.

It is believed that Shakespear was one of the men King James commisioned to translate the Bible at that time into a modern version. King James warned that anyone found altering it or sneaking his name into it in any way would be killed. Shakespear is believed to have been in his 40's at this time.... perhaps he turned 46?

Anyway, it's there. I just checked it again with my pocket King James Bible.

I wouldn't consider this to be very credible evidence. You can do that with any word or phrase, and with any book. Kind of like those crazy "Bible Code" people that claim to have found some secret code in the Bible.

Please see my second post giving dates to the events.

Read this.

And this.

Edit - Count the words again here. "Spear" is the 47th word from the bottom.
 

Trevelyan

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: RCN
Obviously the hanhing did but not the gut split? :roll: The rest of the account doesn't really match either.

Neither jive with the account of Papias or evidence he didn't die at all.......

I'm not sure if you're understanding what I'm saying. Judas was killed when he hung himself (Matt. 27:5). The fall (Acts 1:18) occured post-mortem (after death) and split his stomach open. The fall was the result of the earth quake that happened at that very time.

Matthew 27:51 (King James Version)

And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

That's pretty accurate. Judas hung himself on a tree. If you go to the historic sites where they believe Judas hung himself, there are many trees growing around the cliff located above the field that is referred to here. It's not a stretch to imagine Judas hanging himself on a tree, and then the branch or rope breaking, causing his body to fall into the field below.

These are not contradictions. Every single one of the contradictions given over and over again are just omissions in one recording... NOT contradictions.

For example, it's not a contradiction if you write that a billboard you saw read "$9.99 for unlimited internet" and I write that the same billboard read "Netscape offers fast internet." The sign very well may say both things. This is the case where critics says the sign on the cross of Jesus is a contradiction, because different books record it differently.

 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Lyfer
May the real religion win.

GAME. Match. SET.

It's game, set, match you idiot :p

Short of it: Anyway, the Bible doesn't contradict itself. Those who say it does are ignoring information that shows how their argument is flawed.

Long of it: bah, I'm too lazy to type this sh|t out for the millionth time on Anandtech
 

drpootums

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it's hard to convince people one way or another, no matter how many things you bring up for either case....people are usually pretty stuborn ;)
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Belief in Christianity requires faith, and one either has it or one does not. I choose not to, because I see no point in believing in "God" (given that there is NOT ONE SHRED of evidence to indicate that "God" is real.)

That you've ever seen, possibly, but what you're saying is that the proof others have witnessed for themselves is a lie, which is something you cannot possibly claim.

Anyway, the OP is a flamebaiting troll.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Strk
You listen to Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell talk about it.

Ok, that doesn't disprove it, it just makes you think it's a load of crap.

Neither of those two fatheads are universally accepted as the voice of the Bible.
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Belief in Christianity requires faith, and one either has it or one does not. I choose not to, because I see no point in believing in "God" (given that there is NOT ONE SHRED of evidence to indicate that "God" is real.)

That you've ever seen, possibly, but what you're saying is that the proof others have witnessed for themselves is a lie, which is something you cannot possibly claim.

Anyway, the OP is a flamebaiting troll.

I am?
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Belief in Christianity requires faith, and one either has it or one does not. I choose not to, because I see no point in believing in "God" (given that there is NOT ONE SHRED of evidence to indicate that "God" is real.)

That you've ever seen, possibly, but what you're saying is that the proof others have witnessed for themselves is a lie, which is something you cannot possibly claim.

Anyway, the OP is a flamebaiting troll.

I am?

You started a thread knowingly asking a controversial question and asking it in a naive way (acting stupid), being well prepared for the ensuing conversation. There are several topics that are almost guaranteed to erupt into giant fights on AT, and religion is one of them. You started the thread in the hopes of forum drama and stupid arguments, obviously with an anti-religious bias instead of a self-educating open minded intent.

In short, yes. You are.
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Belief in Christianity requires faith, and one either has it or one does not. I choose not to, because I see no point in believing in "God" (given that there is NOT ONE SHRED of evidence to indicate that "God" is real.)

That you've ever seen, possibly, but what you're saying is that the proof others have witnessed for themselves is a lie, which is something you cannot possibly claim.

Anyway, the OP is a flamebaiting troll.

I am?

You started a thread knowingly asking a controversial question and asking it in a naive way (acting stupid), being well prepared for the ensuing conversation. There are several topics that are almost guaranteed to erupt into giant fights on AT, and religion is one of them. You started the thread in the hopes of forum drama and stupid arguments, obviously with an anti-religious bias instead of a self-educating open minded intent.

In short, yes. You are.

That wasn't my reason. The bolded statement is totally false.

Edit - But you are right about the title and initial post. I changed that.
 

everman

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*attempts to throw a wrench in the gears*

Everything is just a (very advanced) computer simulation. In fact, it started just three minutes ago, everything you remember was placed there beforehand. I'm not even real.

Prove me wrong :beer::D :p
 

jonessoda

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Yes, you are, at least the flamebaiting part.

Have you heard the Invisible Pink Unicorn hypothesis?

Basically, IPUists state that the world was created by an invisible, intangible pink unicorn that still walks among us. Why can't you see it? It's invisible. Why can't we feel it or otherwise sense it? It's intangible. How does one know it's pink? Take it as faith. How is it provable? Well, disprove it. There you go, IPUism is therefore exactly as valid as any other religion.

Wikipedia: Invisible Pink Unicorn

See also Last-Thursdayism.
 

Brutuskend

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Disprove?

No.

But I will point out that there are NUMEROUS inconsistencies in there as well as many places where it contradicts itself.

Before anyone asks me to point them out, read it yourself. ;)
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
That wasn't my reason. The bolded statement is totally false.

Edit - But you are right about the title and initial post. I changed that.

Oh, come off it. Why did you start this thread then? You're a huge religion-bashing flamebaiting troll and you (and everyone else) know it. Why else would you start this thread? Why else would you be so prepared for such a debate (and bias) and so intent on disproving the Bible -and why else would you do so on a computer forum on the internet? Because you're a giant loser, that's why.

Just playing around with that last bit. :p

:beer:
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
That wasn't my reason. The bolded statement is totally false.

Edit - But you are right about the title and initial post. I changed that.

Oh, come off it. Why did you start this thread then? You're a huge religion-bashing flamebaiting troll and you (and everyone else) know it. Why else would you start this thread? Why else would you be so prepared for such a debate (and bias) and so intent on disproving the Bible -and why else would you do so on a computer forum on the internet? Because you're a giant loser, that's why.

Just playing around with that last bit. :p

:beer:

If I came off that way I apologize. Really.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Well why did you start this thread, then? There are a myriad of websites on the 'net with their opinion of how the Bible contradicts itself.