Can we please just get some confirmation of WMD?

[Moonbeam]

Some history on US support for Iraq.

 

[oLLie]

Green Left Weekly - Australia's Radical Newspaper

I stopped reading there.

 

[Moonbeam]

The American Frankenstein

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: seawolf21

Originally posted by: oLLie

Originally posted by: seawolf21

Originally posted by: Alistar7

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Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I don't know why they are so hard to find. We should have the shipping address right on our receipts.

Got any hard evidence to back up that statement Moonie?

Yup! I'll verify the existance of addresses and receipts.

It is hard to tell one oasis from another... they all look the same to me.

Well, I'm being serious. Find me some proof that the U.S. sold WMD to Iraq. I'm not talking rumors and hearsay either, find me some reputable, hard evidence that Iraq recieved WMD from the U.S. and I'll concede the point to you.

No need to concede the point. But, the proof lies in two ways. The '91 gulf war uncovered chemical weapons that bore US markings.. the ones we didn't blow up and poison the folks there about. I'd have to research the footage. I have distinct recall on that issue and folks at the VA hospital with photos of the bunkers and contents... think back and I'm sure you too will remember. The second is during hearings on cspan about the gulf war illness issues and sworn testimony of soldiers who testify they saw the shells and had specific knowledge on the subject so to testify that they were in fact US made weapons. If you want to count it, the non denial denials of the administration when the press confronted them various times would be another. Since I did not personally ship them there I can only, but, with a high degree of confidence, say we did.

The PROOF lies in public documents in the UN. Saddam submitted a 12,000 page report detailing his WMD programs and his suppliers, 21 total. 2 from the US, 19 from EU 14 in Germany, France the largest in quantity). I would think Saddam would know better than you...

The same countries also supplied Syria and other ME countries, they also included Finland, Switzerland, Russia....

The "proof" your quoted doesn't add anything new. Read Resolution 1441. It acknowledges Iraq IS IN VIOLATION and that the UN (including the US) will give Iraqi one final chance. But before Iraq can take advantage ("advantage" being open to your interpretation ) of this final chance, we said "Sorry, we change our minds...no final chance for you" and invaded.

What do you think the hold up was with his cooperation? Don't you think that if he showed some real cooperation/progress we would have let the inspections go on? The fact is, he just led inspectors on by slowly destroying a few al-samoud missles and all of a sudden people are screaming that he is complying.

If the Administration had let 1441 fulfill itself, we would have got more votes in a second resolution. The diplomatic cost will be lower. More moderates both in the US and abroad will support the war. Instead, the impression that came out of disregarding 1441, a UN resolution which we agreed to, is that the Administration was never serious about a diplomatic solution. The Administration was only using the UN to give the mirage that it desired peace while it was building up troops in the region.

How can you argue that the U.S. wasn't serious about a diplomatic solution and not place ANY blame on Saddam? How much time do you think he needed to disarm (and prove he disarmed as is stipulated)? One dozen years wasn't enough, so maybe two? Three?

 

[Moonbeam]

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Of course you did, ollie, the site wasn't Kukla Fran approved. You stopped reading there, but you stopped thinking long ago, no. No use risking dirty underware.

 

[oLLie]

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Of course you did, ollie, the site wasn't Kukla Fran approved. You stopped reading there, but you stopped thinking long ago, no. No use risking dirty underware.

Underware? Is that a type of software that lies underneath all my other software? Neat!
*edit* pretty tired right now, I'll read it tomorrow

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The American Frankenstein

Funny, that article entirely ignores contributions to Iraqi weapon's programs from Europe. Oh well, probably just slipped his mind.

I stand corrected (by moonbeam below)

 

[Moonbeam]

I think in your case what lies under your software is your brain stem. Use it or it turns to mush.

 

[Moonbeam]

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Funny, that article entirely ignores contributions to Iraqi weapon's programs from Europe. Oh well, probably just slipped his mind.

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RIIIIIIIGHT!

Paragraph 11:

Arms experts say it is likely that companies from all five permanent council members sold materials to Iraq that were used to develop its weapons. "All the permanent five members are probably on the Iraqi supplier list. They all have advanced chemical and biological industries," said Susan Wright, a research scientist at the University of Michigan and co-author of the book "Biological Warfare and Disarmament."

 

[oLLie]

Ok so I thought the guy had a bias and it turns out that because he mentions in a paragraph that all security members supplied some parts of Iraqi weapon's program, not the quantities that each member supplied... or the context. He still seems quite biased to me, but I guess you WIN or something Moonbeam. :beer:

 

[LunarRay]

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Do you have a link to those references?[/quote]

I'm getting close to finding what I want but I did find this.

Link to us soldier found and photographed us made WMD weapons

Go about five eights the way down to a number 6 with red highlighted para and you'll see it there "to avoid serious political embarrasment"

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The American Frankenstein

This too will be seen as creative but unreal. In Stoker's words... "master can I have the mouse" or was that Alucard?

 

[Moonbeam]

Might explain why Schwarzkopf blew the munitions dump against orders not to dispose of chemical weapons like that. Get rid of the evidence.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Might explain why Schwarzkopf blew the munitions dump against orders not to dispose of chemical weapons like that. Get rid of the evidence.

huh?

 

[Moonbeam]

Sorry apoppin, perhaps this link wasn't entered in the record. I was comparing what I read there with the info that photos of US chemical munitions were photographed by a Marine at the Iraqi chemical dump in question.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorry apoppin, perhaps this link wasn't entered in the record. I was comparing what I read there with the info that photos of US chemical munitions were photographed by a Marine at the Iraqi chemical dump in question.

same thing?

 

[Moonbeam]

Not exactly, there's was a statment made on one of these vetrans sites that there were orders from the politicos not to demolish chemical weapons with surface explosives and that Schwartzkopf blew them anyway knowing full well what they were and as was reported by some soldier who worked along side him.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Not exactly, there's was a statment made on one of these vetrans sites that there were orders from the politicos not to demolish chemical weapons with surface explosives and that Schwartzkopf blew them anyway knowing full well what they were and as was reported by some soldier who worked along side him.

There was a general order to destroy bunkers so to eliminate the munitions therein. The Troops did not know what was in them at first. When the first bunker was lit off chemical alarms sounded. Having already known about chemical munitions being held in Iraq we gave our folks "pills" to take... that is another story, they then went about systematically destroying the bunkers. Some time later orders came down to first seek to determine the contents before blowing them up. Photos of the bunker contents supported the testimony of the EOD fellow that said he saw US markings and lot numbers on some of them indicating chemical weapons and the balance seemed to be Iraqi made chemical weapons along with normal munitions. They continued to blow up the bunkers at this site and others in the area. Now then, the government officials testified before congress that no chemicals existed in Iraq then they changed the story after the evidence swamped them.. Rep Shays is a good source on this and other items... in fact he took the government folks to task and called them liars. LINKY DINK I posted this before.
In anyhow, who told whom to do what is so muddled that now it is almost forgotten unless you have a couple extra arms and some other weird disease caused by the denied reality.

 

[Moonbeam]

This Is fun too.

 

[HappyGamer2]

don't see CWD on the list, CWD is diease that deer/sheep have. some claim that the USA goverment created this back in the 60's. now wild deer have it in many states

is this a man made Bio/germ weapon that got lose?
one fact about that it takes almost 1000 degrees F to kill it, how many natural things take that much heat to kill?

to day there is NO proof that humans can get it, but there is no proof they CAN'T