Can someone help me understand thinking that obesity is ok?

[TechBoyJK]

citation, please

With all due respect, is this a troll attempt?

You essentially just asked for a citation for knowledge that's about as common sense as 'water is wet'.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Since our entire corporate food distribution system is based on selling addictive fattening food products, why do you hate the Capitalistic system of Western civilization?

no thanks

 

[feralkid]

I honestly don't get the "everyone's beautiful" and "fvck conventional beauty" thing for women. My bad for not getting sexually aroused around you I guess? Just weird.

Wow, that's really creepy.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I'm 6'2", probably 265-270 so I'd guess that I am technically obese. I do however train MMA and BJJ about four days a week. All of my blood work is good. My numbers are fine. Please come give me a kick in the ass.

I don't eat a lot a junk and I'd say I'm pretty active but I generally stay about the same weight.

The issue I have is... is your diet and lifestyle healthy enough to keep you from getting more obese if you were to sustain an injury? You break your ankle tomorrow... are you going to wake up in a month and be 50 pounds heavier? If so, I'd say you might still need a kick in the right direction.

Fortunately, you're already facing the right direction, you probably just need to make a few adjustments.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Wow, that's really creepy.

It's not creepy for a normal guy to 'not get a boner' when facing down a 350pound obese hamplanet.

It's actually normal.

If you think that's creepy, your worldview is jacked up and it makes sense for you to be offended by obesity complaints.

 

[Clemenza]

The issue I have is... is your diet and lifestyle healthy enough to keep you from getting more obese if you were to sustain an injury? You break your ankle tomorrow... are you going to wake up in a month and be 50 pounds heavier? If so, I'd say you might still need a kick in the right direction.

Fortunately, you're already facing the right direction, you probably just need to make a few adjustments.

I've actually not trained in a month because of a torn labrum. I've gained 0 lbs. I'd say, stick with worrying about yourself.

 

[feralkid]

It's not creepy for a normal guy to 'not get a boner' when facing down a 350pound obese hamplanet.

It's actually normal.

If you think that's creepy, your worldview is jacked up and it makes sense for you to be offended by obesity complaints.

Sorry, the part I found creepy is he thinks it's somehow a woman's job to sexually arouse him.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I've actually not trained in a month because of a torn labrum. I've gained 0 lbs. I'd say, stick with worrying about yourself.

Has your BMI changed at all though? You may be losing muscle and gaining fat.

I hurt my shoulder a few years ago and I put on like 25 pounds because I was in the habit of eating a ton, like 4k calories a day and lifting. I stopped lifting but didn't scale back the eating so I plumped up quick.

 

[edro]

Fat hate is gaining steam in large part to young people on social media.
These 14-25yo kids are skinny by nature/youth, not by their lifestyle choices.

They will conveniently forget their fat hating when they have a few kids, fall into the 9-5 desk job routine and lose their youthful metabolism.

I'm not speaking for all fat haters, but I get the feeling that 90% of them are <30.
It's the cool thing to do now.
You can hate people because it's their choice to be fat.
Racism isn't cool anymore, but fat hate is.

How long until we see psychotic youth lynching fat people?

 

[TechBoyJK]

Fat hate is gaining steam in large part to young people on social media.
These 14-25yo kids are skinny by nature/youth, not by their lifestyle choices.

They will conveniently forget their fat hating when they have a few kids, fall into the 9-5 desk job routine and lose their youthful metabolism.

I'm not speaking for all fat haters, but I get the feeling that 90% of them are <30.
It's the cool thing to do now.
You can hate people because it's their choice to be fat.
Racism isn't cool anymore, but fat hate is.

How long until we see psychotic youth lynching fat people?

Is it really hate though? To me, most of what I hear most adults saying about obesity is that it's disgusting. They don't necessarily hate fat people. They just find their body disgusting.

 

[edro]

http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate

 

[SlickSnake]

I've actually not trained in a month because of a torn labrum. I've gained 0 lbs. I'd say, stick with worrying about yourself.

You are lucky, so far.

Because a lot of normal weight people also have had injuries which certainly aided in unexpected weight gain, because it's hard to be injured and sit around hungry all the time. And while injured to maintain a lower weight they are also going to have to struggle to eat less. Not to mention they have to eat something with a lot of meds they might need to take for various reasons, which makes eating even more important when injured than normally. A catch 22 at it's finest right there.

 

[TechBoyJK]

You are lucky, so far. Because a lot of normal weight people also have had injuries which certainly aided in unexpected weight gain, because it's hard to be injured and sit around hungry all the time. And while injured to maintain a lower weight they are also going to have to struggle to eat less. Not to mention they have to eat something with a lot of meds they might need to take for various reasons, which makes eating even more important when injured than normally. A catch 22 at it's finest right there.

I'd wager 2 months from now if he's still nursing the injury things will be different.

 

[TechBoyJK]

http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate

I've seen it.

Many of those posts are about fat people being disgusting and doing things that rightfully deserve criticism.

 

[TechBoyJK]

 

[Nograts]

But he deserves two.5 seats on public transportation! Eating filth and sitting on your ass all day isn't a choice! #haes #effyourbeautystandards

Rofl. So many angry fatties.

 

[GeekDrew]

Jesus christ you really are hopeless aren't you?

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/mens_health/overview_of_obesity_85,P07855/

If you think that I'm in denial or ignorance of eating excess causing an obesity epidemic, then you're the least intelligent person in this thread. I've not argued anything of that nature. I'm trying to make people think about why it might be happening, and what they can do to decrease or eliminate the problem.

Fat shaming doesn't work, at least for me, because it just makes me far more stressed and depressed than I otherwise am, and when I'm either stressed or depressed (which usually happens concurrently), I eat. I'm aware of that. I don't care that it's making me fat. Why should I? Because assholes like you don't want to pay for the social result of me being fat? That's just more reason for me to do so.

<edit>Actually, I do care; I simply care far less about that than I care about the things that make me stressed and depressed.</edit>

With all due respect, is this a troll attempt?

You essentially just asked for a citation for knowledge that's about as common sense as 'water is wet'.

No, I didn't. Think a little deeper than "herpaderp, what r caloreeees."

Obese people typically have psychological or physiological problems, often both. Treat it as such. A kick in the ass, however well intentioned, can often make the situation worse.

i.e. Someone eats like shit to cope with stress, has done so for years making this a deeply entrenched response. You put more stress on them. What do you think their response is going to be?

A better response is to introduce them to healthier food that they can eat a lot of and not worry as much (find a tasty recipe for beans or something), but even that will only go so far. At the end of the day it's up to them to seek help and improve themselves, and if they don't develop the will to do that then they'll stay fat and likely die young, and there will be jack all you can do about it.

This is basically the point I was trying to make, by getting others to realize it without me explicitly saying it.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I'm aware of that. I don't care that it's making me fat. Why should I? Because assholes like you don't want to pay for the social result of me being fat? That's just more reason for me to do so.

With all due respect, you're actually enforcing the stereo type that many people are fat BECAUSE they're shitty people who don't give a fuck about anything.

 

[GeekDrew]

With all due respect, you're actually enforcing the stereo type that many people are fat BECAUSE they're shitty people who don't give a fuck about anything.

I give a fuck about many, many things, but being healthier because it's socially demanded is nowhere close to being on that list. I don't really care what you think of me as a result.

And no, I don't want to be fat. I don't find it acceptable, either - I find it horrifying.

 

[PricklyPete]

I do not hate fat people. I do hate fat acceptance. People should not accept being overweight and unhealthy. People need to pay attention to what they are eating. While not the only problem, sugar is one of the main culprits.

My wife was in a hurry and decided to pick up some groceries at Target. She is usually pretty good at looking at ingredients, but just threw a bottle of Wish-Bone Italian dressing in the basket without looking at it... I mean how much can you screw up Italian dressing? Turns out a lot. As soon as I put a fork full of lettuce in my mouth, I could taste the sugar. This in something that is sold to be put on otherwise healthy food. I literally spit the lettuce out and shortly there after threw out the bottle of dressing after looking at the nutrition... 4 grams of sugar per serving (2 tbsps). Are you sh!tting me!

 

[artemicion]

With all due respect, you're actually enforcing the stereo type that many people are fat BECAUSE they're shitty people who don't give a fuck about anything.

Here's the problem with shaming fat people for the cost they impose on society. Everybody on this earth has gifts they use to contribute to society and weaknesses that society has to make up for. Categorically shaming fat people for their weaknesses fails to perform a proper accounting of EVERYTHING they contribute to society.

Tons of fat people (no pun intended, LOL) have gifts that contribute to society way more than their health care costs detract from society. I'd venture to guess there's plenty of fat people that, if you count up their contributions to society against their costs, they contribute more to society than you.

All you people shaming fat people probably have this vision of a fat, unemployed, societal drain that contributes nothing to society. Guess what? His main problem isn't that he's fat, it's that he's a fucking selfish, lazy, worthless human being.

So, yeah, I'm overweight, but I'm employed, pay taxes, pay for my own health care. Sure, it's possible that my future health care costs will be greater than the average.

But let's do a proper, FULL, accounting here. Guess what, being fat isn't the only thing I do. I volunteered for Big Brothers Big Sisters for the past six years. And I've seen the statistics on the impact that mentoring children has. 46% less likely to use drugs. 27% less likely to use alcohol. 52% less likely to skip school. Increased graduation rates. Increased employment rates. Increased income rates. I'll bet you dollar to donuts (pun intended) that the aggregate impact of my mentoring a kid is greater than the costs associated with my obesity. Heck, you can spend your time mentoring a kid not to be obese. Win win.

Guess what else? Mentoring a kid is FAR easier than maintaining a healthy weight. It's two fucking hours every two weeks. Maintaining a healthy weight would be 30 minutes of exercise per day plus additional time spent planning meals. Even if we ignore the time costs associated with diet planning, it's about 7 hours of exercise every two weeks compared to 2 hours ever two weeks mentoring. Hell, I taught my kid how to lift one day, so that's double bonus time I guess.

But I also understand that I was given the gift of having a passion for mentoring kids. So while I may not be the world's greatest athlete, I can contribute to society in other ways. I'm not gonna fucking shame you people for not mentoring kids, even though you can have a greater societal impact and it costs less time-wise than maintaining a healthy weight.

I'm also not gonna fucking shame you if you get robbed some day and say "I don't think we should pay your home owner's insurance claim because you could've contributed to society by mentoring kids and making your neighborhood a safer place."

Everybody has gifts and weaknesses. Don't fall into the fucking trap of focusing on someone else's weaknesses without acknowledging their gifts. And be more sympathetic toward supporting other people's weaknesses and people will be more willing to support yours.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Here's the problem with shaming fat people for the cost they impose on society. Everybody on this earth has gifts they use to contribute to society and weaknesses that society has to make up for. Categorically shaming fat people for their weaknesses fails to perform a proper accounting of EVERYTHING they contribute to society.

Tons of fat people (no pun intended, LOL) have gifts that contribute to society way more than their health care costs detract from society. I'd venture to guess there's plenty of fat people that, if you count up their contributions to society against their costs, they contribute more to society than you.

All you people shaming fat people probably have this vision of a fat, unemployed, societal drain that contributes nothing to society. Guess what? His main problem isn't that he's fat, it's that he's a fucking selfish, lazy, worthless human being.

So, yeah, I'm overweight, but I'm employed, pay taxes, pay for my own health care. Sure, it's possible that my future health care costs will be greater than the average.

But let's do a proper, FULL, accounting here. Guess what, being fat isn't the only thing I do. I volunteered for Big Brothers Big Sisters for the past six years. And I've seen the statistics on the impact that mentoring children has. 46% less likely to use drugs. 27% less likely to use alcohol. 52% less likely to skip school. Increased graduation rates. Increased employment rates. Increased income rates. I'll bet you dollar to donuts (pun intended) that the aggregate impact of my mentoring a kid is greater than the costs associated with my obesity. Heck, you can spend your time mentoring a kid not to be obese. Win win.

Guess what else? Mentoring a kid is FAR easier than maintaining a healthy weight. It's two fucking hours every two weeks. Maintaining a healthy weight would be 30 minutes of exercise per day plus additional time spent planning meals. Even if we ignore the time costs associated with diet planning, it's about 7 hours of exercise every two weeks compared to 2 hours ever two weeks mentoring. Hell, I taught my kid how to lift one day, so that's double bonus time I guess.

But I also understand that I was given the gift of having a passion for mentoring kids. So while I may not be the world's greatest athlete, I can contribute to society in other ways. I'm not gonna fucking shame you people for not mentoring kids, even though you can have a greater societal impact and it costs less time-wise than maintaining a healthy weight.

I'm also not gonna fucking shame you if you get robbed some day and say "I don't think we should pay your home owner's insurance claim because you could've contributed to society by mentoring kids and making your neighborhood a safer place."

Everybody has gifts and weaknesses. Don't fall into the fucking trap of focusing on someone else's weaknesses without acknowledging their gifts. And be more sympathetic toward supporting other people's weaknesses and people will be more willing to support yours.

All good points.

I actually don't agree with publically, and personally shaming individual fat people.

Why? Because I don't know their history. However if I observe an obese person being disgusting, I react. Much as I would seeing a drunk person being disgusting. Usually, my reaction is just internal disgust for the displayed 'behavior'.

I would never tell someone they are a terrible 'person', but pointing out terrible behavior is another thing.

"YOU are a terrible person for BEING FAT."

That's not cool.

However:

"Eating this much food and not exercising isn't acceptable behavior" is directed at what they're doing, not who they are.

What I try and be vocal about is 'fat acceptance' in general. To me, this is on par with 'alcoholism acceptance' or 'self-harm acceptance'. It's absolutely delusional and bad for society.

Telling my child it's ok to be fat is on par with telling my child it's ok to shoot heroin.

ITS NOT OK and could kill my child.

So any hate/aggression should be directed towards the fat acceptance movement, not individuals.

In fact, I have more anger towards the non-alcoholic SJW who tries to tell me alcoholism is 'ok' than I do the actual alcoholic.

 

[GeekDrew]

I do not hate fat people. I do hate fat acceptance. People should not accept being overweight and unhealthy. People need to pay attention to what they are eating. While not the only problem, sugar is one of the main culprits.

Could you define "fat acceptance"? It's a bullshit term that has a different meaning to many people, and can change in context. Do you mean that fat people should be shamed for every moment they're awake, or merely when they're eating, or should they just be reminded on an hourly basis that they're disgusting? Or is your definition along the lines of something more tame, like "stop encouraging people to be fat"?

My wife was in a hurry and decided to pick up some groceries at Target. She is usually pretty good at looking at ingredients, but just threw a bottle of Wish-Bone Italian dressing in the basket without looking at it... I mean how much can you screw up Italian dressing? Turns out a lot. As soon as I put a fork full of lettuce in my mouth, I could taste the sugar. This in something that is sold to be put on otherwise healthy food. I literally spit the lettuce out and shortly there after threw out the bottle of dressing after looking at the nutrition... 4 grams of sugar per serving (2 tbsps). Are you sh!tting me!

If you think that's outrageous, or even remotely unusual, you should really look closely at nutrition tables. Of everything in the grocery I usually go to (which is a Kroger in Ohio), I suspect that the things that are not what I would describe as "catastrophically bad for everyone" wouldn't even complete fill a single aisle.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Could you define "fat acceptance"? It's a bullshit term that has a different meaning to many people, and can change in context. Do you mean that fat people should be shamed for every moment they're awake, or merely when they're eating, or should they just be reminded on an hourly basis that they're disgusting? Or is your definition along the lines of something more tame, like "stop encouraging people to be fat"?



If you think that's outrageous, or even remotely unusual, you should really look closely at nutrition tables. Of everything in the grocery I usually go to (which is a Kroger in Ohio), I suspect that the things that are not what I would describe as "catastrophically bad for everyone" wouldn't even complete fill a single aisle.

Well, if someone's an alcoholic, how often do you just ignore and let them drink? Obesity is something that should be addressed immediately. You don't need to constantly shame them, but if you're just standing there watching them chug vodka and all you can say is 'its ok', then you should be ashamed as well. Enabling isn't helpful. Not talking to your morbidly obese friend about their obesity is like ignoring your friends' alcoholism. Telling your friend 'they're beautiful and just fine the way you are' is not helpful. They're not fine just the way they are, just like a raging alcoholic isn't 'fine' just the way they are. No, they're going to die.

Fat acceptance is a BS term made up by SJW's trying to make obese people's behavior 'acceptable'. Fat acceptance is delusional just like 'alcoholism acceptance' would be. It'll never be ok.

 

[GeekDrew]

"Eating this much food and not exercising isn't acceptable behavior" is directed at what they're doing, not who they are.

So, are you telling them that, or just thinking it to yourself (I'm not sure whether that falls under your opposition to public shaming, or your acceptance of pointing out terrible behavior)? If you're actually telling them this, do you think that they will be caught by surprise by this new and noteworthy information? Have you ever considered asking why, rather than assuming that telling them something they've undoubtedly heard numerous times will somehow make a difference this specific occasion?

Since you're comparing obesity to alcoholism, the same questions apply there. Both have underlying factors in many (if not most) cases. Why are you hellbent on correcting the symptom rather than the problem?