Can someone help me understand thinking that obesity is ok?

[QueBert]

I think if you really paid attention your diet you'd find it isn't what you think it is. Your numbers don't add up without there being more to the story.

Ate this last Friday:

Mile High Bacon biscuit sandwich from Carl's for breakfast
Lunch 6 slices of pizza
snack - whole can of Pringles & bag of Sour Skittles.
Dinner - 1/3lb El Diablo Thickburger
22oz IPA & huge apple fritter from the doughnut shop before I went to bed

next day:

rest of pizza for breakfast (4 slices I think)
lunch can of Pringles and bag of chili cheese Nathans fries
early dinner 1/3 Most American Thickburger
snack - Magnum ice cream bar
Late night - JiTB Chicken Tater Munchie Meal with 2 ranches for fries.
22oz Chocolate Porter

I log everything I eat for the shits and giggles of it. I don't think anything's wrong with me, I could be totally incorrect here. But since I was little I was able to eat everything and I stayed small. And I've never had a single health problem. At my largest I was 240, which is without a doubt very overweight. But I ate way more than what I listed and drank a lot more beer.

 

[Slew Foot]

Pretty obvious to tell who's the fatty in this thread. Dont mind fatties being fat, if they didnt expect me to pay for their quadruple bypass and lifetime of diabetes drugs.

 

[Nograts]

Ate this last Friday:

Mile High Bacon biscuit sandwich from Carl's for breakfast
Lunch 6 slices of pizza
snack - whole can of Pringles & bag of Sour Skittles.
Dinner - 1/3lb El Diablo Thickburger
22oz IPA before I went to bed

next day:

rest of pizza for breakfast (4 slices I think)
lunch can of Pringles and bag of chili cheese Nathans fries
early dinner 1/3 Most American Thickburger
snack - Magnum ice cream bar
Late night - JiTB Chicken Tater Munchie Meal with 2 ranches for fries.
22oz Chocolate Porter

I log everything I eat for the shits and giggles of it. I don't think anything's wrong with me, I could be totally incorrect here. But since I was little I was able to eat everything and I stayed tiny. And I've never had a single health problem. At my largest I was 240, which is without a doubt overweight. But I ate way more than what I listed and drank a lot more beer.

First off, 240 is nowhere near "tiny". Even if you are 6' tall that is obese.

Secondly, calories don't just magically take effect every 24 hours, so two days worth of eating like that won't necessarily make you gain or lose weight. Really it's more of an aggregate of your intake vs. expenditure.

What do you do for your job? I know I was eating ~4k calories a day for a few years and still losing weight fast, but I was burning a shit ton. If you're on your feet all day, or do physical labor you might have more than a 2,500 calorie need.

If you eat that many calories and sit on your ass all day on a daily basis there is a serious piece the puzzle you are either unaware of or not telling us.

 

[Grooveriding]

There are few conditions that excuse obesity. Certain long-term drug therapies as well as some medical conditions excuse it, but in the vast majority of instances it's simple lack of self control and practicing a dog shit lifestyle.

Exercise plays a minimal role in weight loss. It's diet, diet and diet again accounting for your weight. Exercise is great for cardiovascular health, having a strong heart and prolonging your lifespan - but in terms of weight loss you need to be quite powerful and fit in the first place to be able to burn a significant amount of calories in a single exercise session. Your metabolism's elevation from exercise is likewise a byproduct of being able to do consistent and intensive exercise, something an obese person can't manage.

It's all down to your food intake; quantity and quality or lack thereof. There is nothing acceptable about being obese, it's unacceptable and is a burden not just on yourself and your family, but on the medical system that has to treat you as you enter middle age and start developing serious health issues as a result of your dog shit lifestyle. There is a difference between heckling someone as being a fat pig and bluntly informing someone they are obese and it's the worst thing in their life and needs to be dealt with. There is no good excuse for it. So what if there is a plethora of cheap and unhealthy food available, no one is forcing it down your throat. Choose not to abuse that unhealthy food or reap the results. Choices are your own and being obese in most cases is purely a choice.

Nothing so frustrating as the individual who pounds back 5000 calories a day, eats loads of fatty fried garbage and hasn't seen a vegetable in an eon complaining about the results of their behaviour when they wind up with an ulcer, heart disease, diabetes and so forth. At least when the inevitable hits, realize you've brought it on yourself and have only yourself to blame. Very frustrating.

 

[Nograts]

There are few conditions that excuse obesity. Certain long-term drug therapies as well as some medical conditions excuse it, but in the vast majority of instances it's simple lack of self control and practicing a dog shit lifestyle.

Exercise plays a minimal role in weight loss. It's diet, diet and diet again accounting for your weight. Exercise is great for cardiovascular health, having a strong heart and prolonging your lifespan - but in terms of weight loss you need to be quite powerful and fit in the first place to be able to burn a significant amount of calories in a single exercise session. Your metabolism's elevation from exercise is likewise a byproduct of being able to do consistent and intensive exercise, something an obese person can't manage.

It's all down to your food intake; quantity and quality or lack thereof. There is nothing acceptable about being obese, it's unacceptable and is a burden not just on yourself and your family, but on the medical system that has to treat you as you enter middle age and start developing serious health issues as a result of your dog shit lifestyle. There is a difference between heckling someone as being a fat pig and bluntly informing someone they are obese and it's the worst thing in their life and needs to be dealt with. There is no good excuse for it. So what if there is a plethora of cheap and unhealthy food available, no one is forcing it down your throat. Choose not to abuse that unhealthy food or reap the results. Choices are your own and being obese in most cases is purely a choice.

Nothing so frustrating as the individual who pounds back 5000 calories a day, eats loads of fatty fried garbage and hasn't seen a vegetable in an eon complaining about the results of their behaviour when they wind up with an ulcer, heart disease, diabetes and so forth. At least when the inevitable hits, realize you've brought it on yourself and have only yourself to blame. Very frustrating.

Amen.

And like I've said hey, free world do what you will to your body, I'm not here to destroy mine. It's when tax dollars go to 'adjusting the system' or making it acceptable to be overweight because there are accomodations that I have issues with it. Ever sit next to a fat person on a plane? WTF man. I paid for this 17" seat. I didn't pay to get .8 of a seat because your lard is leaking onto my side.

You see those anti-smoking commercials all the freaking time. We need to get some about obesity.

 

[GeekDrew]

[...]being obese in most cases is purely a choice.[...]

citation, please

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and while you're at it, also provide what you consider 'choice' to be in this context. that is, do you think that there is anything at all on earth that would be a worse option than being obese, if it were a choice between being obese and the other option?

 

[Safeway]

I am 6' 2" and when I weighed 210 lbs my sophomore year of college, I felt fat and awful. Shirts that used to hang loosely began to hug my curves. I am much more comfortable where I am now, between 176 lbs and 185 lbs depending on the season - I train and race heavily spring through fall, and hibernate in winter.

Staying fit, for me, really does take effort. I have to consciously not purchase Ben & Jerry's Coffee Toffee Bar Crunch because, if I did, I would eat it all in one sitting.

 

[Nograts]

citation, please

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and while you're at it, also provide what you consider 'choice' to be in this context. that is, do you think that there is anything at all on earth that would be a worse option than being obese, if it were a choice between being obese and the other option?

Jesus christ you really are hopeless aren't you?

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/mens_health/overview_of_obesity_85,P07855/

Here you go! Pretty much spells out in a nice way that yes, YOU decide what kind of shit you put into that cake hole of yours.

Would you like me to explain to you in kind and nice words that you probably shouldn't have a snickers bar for lunch everyday? Or how about that getting off your chair and walking around for a few hours is a good thing?

VERY few people have an excuse for being overweight, but yes, they do exist. And those people are fine, it's not their decision, so they shouldn't be penalized.

The people that SHOULD be penalized are the porkers who can't stop stuffing their face. The whole "Oh well, food since the 80's has more sugar why do you think that they put sugar in everything?" Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

Did vegetables go extinct? Did they somehow genetically engineer green beans to have 80g of sugar in them? No. Think about it. YOU decided to order that pizza. YOU decided to get that 2-liter of coke and down half of it. YOU decided to eat the shit that you put in your body, and now you're fat, and you are looking for anywhere to blame except for YOURSELF.

Stop trying to defend the masses. They are fat because they eat too much.

 

[Safeway]

Bullshit

Ok, let's hit it from another angle.

It's their choice to eat what they eat and to refuse to live a healthy and active lifestyle.

Thus, their obesity is their choice as they can choose to do things to either escape obesity or avoid obesity in the first place.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Some pretty bad facebook discussions brought out the shitlord in me today.

So many content with being obese and thinking it's not a problem.

Oh, I have aids. It's ok. Not a big deal.

Oh, I have diabetes. It's ok. Not a big deal.

Oh, I have obesity. It's ok. Not a big deal.

This is what I see when someone who's obese tells me it's perfectly ok and there's nothing to fix.

Since our entire corporate food distribution system is based on selling addictive fattening food products, why do you hate the Capitalistic system of Western civilization?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Ok, let's hit it from another angle.

It's their choice to eat what they eat and to refuse to live a healthy and active lifestyle.

Thus, their obesity is their choice as they can choose to do things to either escape obesity or avoid obesity in the first place.

And it is a choice to breath air or not?

 

[Safeway]

And it is a choice to breath air or not?

LOL. I can't even.

Breathing is an autonomic nervous system function. Since when has eating been the same?

 

[Nograts]

LOL. I can't even.

Breathing is an autonomic nervous system function. Since when has eating been the same?

This thread just shows the ignorance that plagues our society. It also shows who the obese are on these forums, and the delusions and denial that they exhibit. I mean seriously, this is like 5th grade level science here and they are disputing it.

 

[Safeway]

This thread just shows the ignorance that plagues our society. It also shows who the obese are on these forums, and the delusions and denial that they exhibit. I mean seriously, this is like 5th grade level science here and they are disputing it.

Oh shit, sorry. I was just sitting here and started eating again. I had to choose to stop eating in order to type this message. Damn nervous system.

Where did this fucking food come from, anyway? I didn't have food on my desk a second ago.

 

[Nograts]

Oh shit, sorry. I was just sitting here and started eating again. Damn nervous system.

Where did this fucking food come from, anyway? I didn't have food on my desk a second ago.

:awe:


"No but seriously, I've really really been trying to lose weight. I just can't get past my jah-neh-ticks and con-dish-uns. I've even been exercising. Like yesterday I walked about 4 times around the house, must've burned at least 10,000 calories doing that so I ate a big dinner to reward myself. You have to reward yourself on diets or you will fail and then binge eat! Science! Also could you pass the ranch?"

 

[irishScott]

Obese people typically have psychological or physiological problems, often both. Treat it as such. A kick in the ass, however well intentioned, can often make the situation worse.

i.e. Someone eats like shit to cope with stress, has done so for years making this a deeply entrenched response. You put more stress on them. What do you think their response is going to be?

A better response is to introduce them to healthier food that they can eat a lot of and not worry as much (find a tasty recipe for beans or something), but even that will only go so far. At the end of the day it's up to them to seek help and improve themselves, and if they don't develop the will to do that then they'll stay fat and likely die young, and there will be jack all you can do about it.

 

[videogames101]

I honestly don't get the "everyone's beautiful" and "fvck conventional beauty" thing for women. My bad for not getting sexually aroused around you I guess? Just weird.

 

[videogames101]

Since our entire corporate food distribution system is based on selling addictive fattening food products, why do you hate the Capitalistic system of Western civilization?

Ask Whole Foods how business is going.

 

[irishScott]

I honestly don't get the "everyone's beautiful" and "fvck conventional beauty" thing for women. My bad for not getting sexually aroused around you I guess? Just weird.

Yeah, what really gets me are the obese women who call themselves "curvy" and say "men like big boobs". Lol yeah, your curves are convex and your boobs are fattened and sagging. The only guys who are going to be into that are the ones with that particular fetish and/or are particularly drunk.

It's our generation's version of the hippies. The 60s had "End War!", the 80s had "Feed the world!", the 90s had "Everyone's a winner!", the 2000s have "Everyone is beautiful in their own way!"

Feel-good nonsense never seems to die. 😛

 

[Clemenza]

I'm 6'2", probably 265-270 so I'd guess that I am technically obese. I do however train MMA and BJJ about four days a week. All of my blood work is good. My numbers are fine. Please come give me a kick in the ass.

I don't eat a lot a junk and I'd say I'm pretty active but I generally stay about the same weight.

 

[mikeymikec]

@OP

If you think that obesity is or isn't OK, that doesn't affect other people (ie. it was a thought that crossed your mind without being expressed). However, the fact that you mentioned discussing it on FB is quite a different thing.

So tell us what actually happened, then maybe a discussion can be had. Until then, all this thread is doing is engaging in a straw-obese-advocate merry-go-round.

 

[highland145]

I'm 6'2", probably 265-270 so I'd guess that I am technically obese. I do however train MMA and BJJ about four days a week. All of my blood work is good. My numbers are fine. Please come give me a kick in the ass.

You are an exception at that height/weight and a lurker.😛

 

[Clemenza]

You are an exception at that height/weight and a lurker.😛

Hah. I actually had an old account but lost it when the forums switched. I've been around awhile and I used to post more back in the early 2000s.

I'm not saying I couldn't stand to drop some lbs, I'm not all packed with muscle but not all people who are "obese" just lie around eating donuts all day.

 

[inachu]

Every once in a while there is reports of men who are over 300 pounds of fat and built like an ox but have zero blood issues and a healthy heart.

It is rare but it does happen.

 

[purbeast0]

citation, please

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and while you're at it, also provide what you consider 'choice' to be in this context. that is, do you think that there is anything at all on earth that would be a worse option than being obese, if it were a choice between being obese and the other option?

every post you make in this thread is stupider than the previous one. i didn't think that was possible after your first post, but i have been proven wrong.

it's like the exact opposite of this.