Can someone help me understand thinking that obesity is ok?

[SlickSnake]

I wanted to point out the label on the dressing says sugarS. I thought on calorie counting and servings sizes they are trying to convey total sugar content per serving. And with the extra sugar added and all the ingredients that had natural sugar already in them the total sugarS would be pretty large. And vinegar based sour-ish sorts of dressings and condiments often have a lot more sugar in them, to defang the vinegar, too.

INGREDIENTS: WATER, SOYBEAN AND CANOLA OILS, DISTILLED VINEGAR, SUGAR, SALT, GARLIC*, ONION*, RED BELL PEPPERS*, MALTODEXTRIN (CORN), XANTHAN GUM, SPICES, AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, CALCIUM DISODIUM EDTA (USED TO PROTECT QUALITY), NATURAL FLAVOR, LEMON JUICE CONCENTRATE, CARAMEL COLOR, ANNATTO EXTRACT (COLOR). *DEHYDRATED

 

[TechBoyJK]

It would all be relevant to you if you weren't too goddamn stupid to understand what I'm saying.

As to your bolded statement, from this thread ALONE:



You were saying? Sorry I can't follow your unique brand of delusion.

With all due respect, it seems you're deflecting the actual discussion to put down people who hold opinions you don't agree with which is something I'm guilty of doing myself when I feel cornered.

 

[Nograts]

It would all be relevant to you if you weren't too goddamn stupid to understand what I'm saying.

As to your bolded statement, from this thread ALONE:



You were saying? Sorry I can't follow your unique brand of delusion.

Hey that's a neat way to put responses to absolutely ignorant statements completely out of context!

You keep fighting the good fight bro, don't tread on these peoples rights, they has fee fees:

God forbid we not be fucking PC and posh about issues plaguing our society.

 

[Platypus]

With all due respect, it seems you're deflecting the actual discussion to put down people who hold opinions you don't agree with which is something I'm guilty of doing myself when I feel cornered.

1) You imply no respect, your schtick is old, tiresome and not fooling anyone.

2) I am replying to point out the utter lie just told.

3) You and your entire gang of fat shamers are completely insignificant to me in every conceivable way. You do not intimidate me, make me feel cornered or ganged up on, or matter to me in the least. I am replying simply because it was said that no skinny people are standing up to defend personal freedom, so here I am.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

God forbid we not be fucking PC and posh about issues plaguing our society.

If pointing and laughing at people prompted them to change their behavior, why are you still an asshole?

 

[Phier]

I long to reach a point in my life where I can just eat what I want with no worries about what it's doing to my appearance. If I can pull that off I've made it in life. I'll get fat, but being at a place in my life where I don't care about that is really the goal I'm after. I know people like me who have already made that decision, and they are much happier than they would be counting calories and feeling hungry all the time. These people don't make excuses about their glands or genetics or metabolism or anything. They've look at their lives, weighed the pros and cons, and decided that eating what they want when they want is more important than being fit, good looking, and healthy. I say good on 'em.

I used to be fat. Mid 30's, high BP, knee pain, lack of stamina, phlegm in my lungs if I got any cardio. Being able to "eat anything" isn't all that unless your life is pretty damn empty.

Got my shit together, now I have the BP and heart of an athlete, can work out fine, no knee pain, and life is 100% better.

Don't do it, you will regret it, any pleasure from food does not last long.

 

[TechBoyJK]

1) You imply no respect, your schtick is old, tiresome and not fooling anyone.

2) I am replying to point out the utter lie just told.

3) You and your entire gang of fat shamers are completely insignificant to me in every conceivable way. You do not intimidate me, make me feel cornered or ganged up on, or matter to me in the least. I am replying simply because it was said that no skinny people are standing up to defend personal freedom, so here I am.

Yet you're the one in here, getting angry.

Sorry Platypus, but your ass is showing.

Obesity is bad, just like alcoholism is bad.

 

[KlokWyze]

"Haters gonna hate."

Any quotes out there that are equally true, similar in meaning, but better in delivery? This is overused, because our society is rampant with hate on the dumbest of shit that really has nothing to do with the hater. I would wager that hate has a more negative impact on society and the tax payer (lol you guys are pathetic) than obesity.

We should have an intervention on hateful people by telling them they are not OK. They are bad people for guilt tripping and judging others, likely further fueling the complex that made them obese.

Here's a quote: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Why don't you fuck off with your dumbass opinions that are as destructive as they are unnecessary.

 

[TechBoyJK]

If pointing and laughing at people prompted them to change their behavior, why are you still an asshole?

Nobody is saying to point and laugh at fat people. That's just being an asshole.

It's about shutting up those who are pushing the 'fat acceptance' agenda which is no different than trying to convince the public that alcoholism is ok and acceptable behavior. It's never going to work and you'll always get pushback.

 

[SlickSnake]

Hey that's a neat way to put responses to absolutely ignorant statements completely out of context!

You keep fighting the good fight bro, don't tread on these peoples rights, they has fee fees:

God forbid we not be fucking PC and posh about issues plaguing our society.

That must be Sara Lee sitting there, because I ate a frozen lasagne just like that last night for dinner because I was lazy and it had been in the freezer for a while. With some ground pepper on top, it was pretty good, actually. And I was a bit surprised by how good it actually was. It had multiple layers of ricotta cheese in it, which was of course delicious. Did I mention how delicious it was?

 

[Nograts]

That must be Sara Lee sitting there, because I ate a frozen lasagne just like that last night for dinner because I was lazy and it had been in the freezer for a while. With some ground pepper on top, it was pretty good, actually. And I was a bit surprised by how good it actually was. It had multiple layers of ricotta cheese in it, which was of course delicious. Did I mention how delicious it was?

I'm not sure your point? Not a lasagna man myself but oooooiee if you take me to a Chinese restaurant stand back! Might get your fingers bit!

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Nobody is saying to point and laugh at fat people. That's just being an asshole.

Maybe you aren't, but plenty of people very quickly go from "no fat acceptance" to making fat jokes because they're extremely easy and socially acceptable. Posts like "How to be not fat? How about not stuffing your fat fucking face" don't actually help anyone, they just offer an opportunity for someone to judge others. That's all well and good, but don't lie about your motivations. "I only want to help people!" Bullshit. You don't want to have to look at fat people because they disgust you and you want to mock someone to feel better about yourself. That doesn't strike me as a particularly worthwhile endeavor (unlike encouraging healthy and responsible decision-making, which I think everyone can get behind).

 

[artemicion]

God forbid we not be fucking PC and posh about issues plaguing our society.

There are tons of people in this thread who share you opinions, but articulated them in a polite, empathetic, and most importantly, persuasive, manner.

You, on the other hand, regardless of whether you stated something that was acceptable in substance, chose to state your opinion in a demeaning, disrespectful, obnoxious, and and repulsive manner. You have convinced no one to change their opinions. The only thing you accomplished was participate in a circle jerk of fat shamers. Instead of taking responsibility for your rude and obnoxious behavior, you blamed fat people for "creating" people like you and fatpeoplehate on reddit. Just like obese people need to take responsibility for their own actions, you need to take responsibility for your vitriol.

Your style of debate is utterly unpersuasive. For all the societal ills you bemoan of, you contribute to more of the world's problems than you solve. Even considering all the burdens and costs caused by obese people, if I had to choose between the two, I'd replace obnoxious, unempathetic, and demeaning people in the world with obese people who have manners. I'd rather pay increased insurance costs than deal with jackasses.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Maybe you aren't, but plenty of people very quickly go from "no fat acceptance" to making fat jokes because they're extremely easy and socially acceptable. Posts like "How to be not fat? How about not stuffing your fat fucking face" don't actually help anyone, they just offer an opportunity for someone to judge others. That's all well and good, but don't lie about your motivations. "I only want to help people!" Bullshit. You don't want to have to look at fat people because they disgust you and you want to mock someone to feel better about yourself. That doesn't strike me as a particularly worthwhile endeavor (unlike encouraging healthy and responsible decision-making, which I think everyone can get behind).

I just have a problem with those people trying to trumpet the idea that obesity is ok. I don't have any nerve to intervene in people's lives who I don't personally know or have a relationship with. And even then, I usually tip toe around them and try and set a good example rather than just shitlord them to tears.

It seems many people can't tell the difference between active #fatShaming and rejecting #fatAcceptance

One attacks people, the other attacks behavior. People are not their behaviors. With tact, you can challenge what people do without challenging who they are.

 

[Nograts]

There are tons of people in this thread who share you opinions, but articulated them in a polite, empathetic, and most importantly, persuasive, manner.

You, on the other hand, regardless of whether you stated something that was acceptable in substance, chose to state your opinion in a demeaning, disrespectful, obnoxious, and and repulsive manner. You have convinced no one to change their opinions. The only thing you accomplished was participate in a circle jerk of fat shamers. Instead of taking responsibility for your rude and obnoxious behavior, you blamed fat people for "creating" people like you and fatpeoplehate on reddit. Just like obese people need to take responsibility for their own actions, you need to take responsibility for your vitriol.

Your style of debate is utterly unpersuasive. For all the societal ills you bemoan of, you contribute to more of the world's problems than you solve. Even considering all the burdens and costs caused by obese people, if I had to choose between the two, I'd replace obnoxious, unempathetic, and demeaning people in the world with obese people who have manners. I'd rather pay increased insurance costs than deal with jackasses.

So you want me to dance around the subject instead of shotgun blast it like it really is because feelings. Bro that's all you had to say, not that thesis. "Eleven please take it down a notch, your blatant speaking of truths is hurting my feelings."

 

[GeekDrew]

It seems many people can't tell the difference between active #fatShaming and rejecting #fatAcceptance

That's why I asked for the definition, earlier. The two terms that you assert are different are often considered synonymous. I have never personally seen any occasion of rejection of "fat acceptance" that was not also actively "fat shaming". Feel free to prove me wrong.

One attacks people, the other attacks behavior. People are not their behaviors. With tact, you can challenge what people do without challenging who they are.

Not when what they're doing is a result of who they are - in particular their mental/emotional health.

 

[artemicion]

So you want me to dance around the subject instead of shotgun blast it like it really is because feelings. Bro that's all you had to say, not that thesis. "Eleven please take it down a notch, your blatant speaking of truths is hurting my feelings."

Has nothing to do with feelings. Has nothing to do with the "truth." Has everything to do with the fact that you're doing nothing but annoy. You're not persuading anyone to change their lifestyle. You're not teaching anyone anything new. You're just being annoying.

I could take a bullhorn and shout "ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS TWO" in your ear constantly and annoyingly, which is pretty much the equivalent of what you're doing here.

"Sorry I hurt your feelings BRO, but it's TRUE."

 

[TechBoyJK]

That's why I asked for the definition, earlier. The two terms that you assert are different are often considered synonymous. I have never personally seen any occasion of rejection of "fat acceptance" that was not also actively "fat shaming". Feel free to prove me wrong.



Not when what they're doing is a result of who they are - in particular their mental/emotional health.

To me, rejecting fat acceptance consists of refuting attempts to suggest obesity is healthy/normal and using facts and reason to assert it.

If someone told you 'it's perfectly healthy to be a heroin addict', wouldn't you reject that? You don't have go around shaming heroin addicts to reject the notion that heroin is healthy.

Fat shaming is just hateful speech directed at individuals without concern for who/what/why

 

[Nograts]

Has nothing to do with feelings. Has nothing to do with the "truth." Has everything to do with the fact that you're doing nothing but annoy. You're not persuading anyone to change their lifestyle. You're not teaching anyone anything new. You're just being annoying.

I could take a bullhorn and shout "ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS TWO" in your ear constantly and annoyingly, which is pretty much the equivalent of what you're doing here.

"Sorry I hurt your feelings BRO, but it's TRUE."

I dunno, I think this thread made pretty obvious that many people are unaware that 2 and 2 equals 4.

 

[GeekDrew]

To me, rejecting fat acceptance consists of refuting attempts to suggest obesity is healthy/normal and using facts and reason to assert it.

If someone told you 'it's perfectly healthy to be a heroin addict', wouldn't you reject that? You don't have go around shaming heroin addicts to reject the notion that heroin is healthy.

Fat shaming is just hateful speech directed at individuals without concern for who/what/why

We aren't arguing about whether to accept or reject something, we're arguing about how to do so. Yes, generally a rejection of any nature should be supported by facts and reason. And yes, of course I would reject an assertion regarding heroin being healthy.

The method by which you reject or accept is the problem. Rejecting something in a manner that is indistinguishable from fat shaming is fat shaming, even if you do maintain concern for who/what/why. This thread seems to be focused on bitching about the "what" (obesity) and encouraging fat shaming, rather than figuring out how to do something about it in a manner that is not fat shaming.

 

[artemicion]

I dunno, I think this thread made pretty obvious that many people are unaware that 2 and 2 equals 4.

Can you go back and quote the people who have claimed that being obese doesn't not negatively impact their health? Haven't seen it yet, but I skimmed over some posts.

 

[feralkid]

God forbid we not be fucking PC and posh about issues plaguing our society.

Posh?

 

[edro]

A big part of this debate is where we draw the line on "fat".

I think most fat haters are thinking morbidly obese people (~350lb+) and fat defenders are thinking more like BMI 30-40 (fat/overweight, but not detrimental to society).

 

[SlitheryDee]

Has nothing to do with feelings. Has nothing to do with the "truth." Has everything to do with the fact that you're doing nothing but annoy. You're not persuading anyone to change their lifestyle. You're not teaching anyone anything new. You're just being annoying.

I could take a bullhorn and shout "ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS TWO" in your ear constantly and annoyingly, which is pretty much the equivalent of what you're doing here.

"Sorry I hurt your feelings BRO, but it's TRUE."

Shaming people does often cause them to change their lifestyle though. Sometimes the most hurtful things people can say to you are the things that you know are true. Realizing that other people do indeed notice whatever it is is important in motivating you to change. If I'm slowly getting fat, I can tell myself that people don't notice or care so long as they never mention it. Someone mentioning it makes me feel shame, but it's a necessary shame. It's what causes my mind to self-correct from the delusion I was building about myself. It causes me to suddenly snap back into focus and see things more objectively. That's going to hurt, because I was avoiding focusing on my weight for a reason. The thought carries with it the idea of all the work and displeasure I'm going to have to put myself through to correct it. It also forces me to see what I've become as others see me. It's all wrapped up in my feelings of self-worth and the kind of person I am. Everyone wants to think that they are strong willed and worthy people, but how can they really be if they allowed themselves to become obese?

I think that shaming people can be a good thing. Not mean spirited shaming, but just communicating that we are noticing changes and are forming opinions about them. There is a subset of society that thinks that we should never say anything that makes a person feel bad about themselves, or at least it feels like that's their platform. Everyone should be considered perfect however they are. I don't think that does anyone any good though.

 

[edro]

I think that shaming people can be a good thing. Not mean spirited shaming, but just communicating that we are noticing changes and are forming opinions about them.

You know, you're right.

I'm going to go tell my coworker that I think he's fat.

I'm sure it will end well for all parties involved.