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Can someone help me understand thinking that obesity is ok?

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Obese person says he's happy with his life. Response is reality.

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GeekDrew said:
Do you seriously have nothing better to do? Both posts are "reality". They don't contradict one another; the second is just someone being an asshole.
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I didn't see him as being an asshole, I just saw him using facts and logic to counter the fat-logic the obese person was using to justify ignoring their disability.
 
GeekDrew said:
Do you seriously have nothing better to do? Both posts are "reality". They don't contradict one another; the second is just someone being an asshole.
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Tell us what you are doing to lose weight. Since you don't like our contributions to the obesity battle, teach us what individuals are doing to get us out of this mess.
 
Elevenpog said:
Tell us what you are doing to lose weight. Since you don't like our contributions to the obesity battle, teach us what individuals are doing to get us out of this mess.
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Most people are to PC to admit it's a mess. 95% of parents can't even tell their kids are obese.
 
TechBoyJK said:
Most people are to PC to admit it's a mess. 95% of parents can't even tell their kids are obese.
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to be fair to those kids, 95% of the obese kids out there are due to bad parenting and usually where there are obese kids, there are obese parents.

but when we're talking about adults who let themselves go, then nevermind. but i'm talking more about kids.
 
purbeast0 said:
to be fair to those kids, 95% of the obese kids out there are due to bad parenting and usually where there are obese kids, there are obese parents.

but when we're talking about adults who let themselves go, then nevermind. but i'm talking more about kids.
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I'm all for the start of CPS taking these kids away from parents, starting with the biggest. Hopefully some old fashioned societal shame will wake up everyone else.

It is child abuse hands down.
 
TechBoyJK said:
I didn't see him as being an asshole, I just saw him using facts and logic to counter the fat-logic the obese person was using to justify ignoring their disability.
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But that's just it - he's not using facts and logic to counter the fat-logic, he's simply presenting facts and logic for no other purpose than to fat-shame. There's nothing to counter because neither post is "wrong" - they're merely different. The first poster didn't disagree with any of the facts; he or she simply dismissed them. Indifference does not imply disagreement.

Elevenpog said:
Tell us what you are doing to lose weight. Since you don't like our contributions to the obesity battle, teach us what individuals are doing to get us out of this mess.
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You're not contributing; you're just fueling the fire.

I'm not doing anything to lose weight, and I've no intention to, either.

TechBoyJK said:
Most people are to PC to admit it's a mess. 95% of parents can't even tell their kids are obese.
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That it's a "mess" is subjective, not factual. You make assumptions that are not universally true - for example, you seem to assume that people want to live better or healthier. Why should they?

FWIW, I do consider myself a mess, but not because I'm fat. I have far bigger problems.

purbeast0 said:
to be fair to those kids, 95% of the obese kids out there are due to bad parenting and usually where there are obese kids, there are obese parents.

but when we're talking about adults who let themselves go, then nevermind. but i'm talking more about kids.
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My parents are obese, and my mom CONSTANTLY pushes me to eat more, whenever I'm around her. And just in case I wasn't already thinking about food, she sends me messages at least once or twice a day reminding me what she's going to have for dinner that night, in case I want to go eat with them. (I do not live with my parents, but live near them.) My parents and others who behave similarly are the biggest reason why I wish that everyone would just leave everyone else the hell alone.

Elevenpog said:
I'm all for the start of CPS taking these kids away from parents, starting with the biggest. Hopefully some old fashioned societal shame will wake up everyone else.

It is child abuse hands down.
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Where the hell would they put them? I work for a local government agency - one that supports CPS. CPS needs help dealing with much more emergent threats; I'm amused that you think they have the resources to combat obesity.
 
GeekDrew said:
You're not contributing; you're just fueling the fire.

I'm not doing anything to lose weight, and I've no intention to, either.
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Then you leave yourself wide open to public ridicule. You can just stop posting right there.

"Im not doing anything to stop smoking meth and I've no intention to, either."

See how one word turns that around? You called down the thunder on yourself and then cry foul when it rains. That's the mentality of 85% of the fats I talk to.
 
Elevenpog said:
Then you leave yourself wide open to public ridicule. You can just stop posting right there.

"Im not doing anything to stop smoking meth and I've no intention to, either."

See how one word turns that around? You called down the thunder on yourself and then cry foul when it rains. That's the mentality of 85% of the fats I talk to.
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What gives you the right to ridicule fat people? Or those addicted to meth? Leave everyone the fuck alone. (I have every expectation that you'll claim freedom of speech. Sure, legally; you're just an asshole.)
 
Elevenpog said:
That's the mentality of 85% of the fats I talk to.
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I'm almost positive that you're a monstrously obese person playing a skinny asshole on the Internet specifically to make skinny people look shitty. "Maybe if I'm a giant douche, they'll get mad at the skinnies and they'll all eat a big bag of Dubl-Stuf Oreos and join me in wallowing in self-pity and grease." No one can be that tone-deaf on accident.
 
GeekDrew said:
What gives you the right to ridicule fat people? Or those addicted to meth? Leave everyone the fuck alone. (I have every expectation that you'll claim freedom of speech. Sure, legally; you're just an asshole.)
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Call it what you will Mr denial. The thread is "why thinking obesity is okay." The answer is "its not", and any rational person with the faintest grasp of 5th grade health class mechanics wouldn't need people telling them otherwise.

But here we are, having this discussion. You walked into it and took offense to my view on the obese masses personally. I'm sorry I don't sugar coat things and come across as an asshole. Your obesity (the group of obese, rather) became free game for open discussion decades ago when it started plaguing society. Your CHOICES affect me. You choose to remain fat. The obese choose to remain fat. I don't have to accept that.
 
Elevenpog said:
Call it what you will Mr denial. The thread is "why thinking obesity is okay." The answer is "its not", and any rational person with the faintest grasp of 5th grade health class mechanics wouldn't need people telling them otherwise.

But here we are, having this discussion. You walked into it and took offense to my view on the obese masses personally. I'm sorry I don't sugar coat things and come across as an asshole. Your obesity (the group of obese, rather) became free game for open discussion decades ago when it started plaguing society. Your CHOICES affect me. You choose to remain fat. The obese choose to remain fat. I don't have to accept that.
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GeekDrew has been pretty open and honest about his life choices. He understands the consequences of them. He's not denying anything. He's OK by my book.
 
artemicion said:
Can someone help me understand thinking that being an asshole is ok?
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It's basic tribalism. Most people are made very uncomfortable unless they can clearly identify themselves as part of a group and set up a diametrically opposed group as an "enemy." They can then vent their hostility and aggression towards members of this group, regardless of whether any antagonism is reciprocated. You see it in religion and politics across the board, and it's a fundamental part of sports. It also happens with social groups, whether that division is based on race or gender or sexual orientation or weight. People need to have someone that they can just sit back and hate. That, combined with a lack of tact, is the primary cause of basically all assholism observed across the human species.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
It's basic tribalism. Most people are made very uncomfortable unless they can clearly identify themselves as part of a group and set up a diametrically opposed group as an "enemy." They can then vent their hostility and aggression towards members of this group, regardless of whether any antagonism is reciprocated. You see it in religion and politics across the board, and it's a fundamental part of sports. It also happens with social groups, whether that division is based on race or gender or sexual orientation or weight. People need to have someone that they can just sit back and hate. That, combined with a lack of tact, is the primary cause of basically all assholism observed across the human species.
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That was actually written very well 😉

GeekDrew has been pretty open and honest about his life choices. He understands the consequences of them. He's not denying anything. He's OK by my book.
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And I'm not attacking him as an individual (okay, I'm sure I did several times, but that was not my overall intent), I'm attacking the obesity epidemic and "fat acceptance" and "health at every size". I'm trying to point out that decisions people make are affecting me, and that entitles me to an opinion, and my opinion is that I don't have to accept them or appreciate them.
 
Elevenpog said:
That was actually written very well 😉



And I'm not attacking him as an individual (okay, I'm sure I did several times, but that was not my overall intent), I'm attacking the obesity epidemic and "fat acceptance" and "health at every size". I'm trying to point out that decisions people make are affecting me, and that entitles me to an opinion, and my opinion is that I don't have to accept them or appreciate them.
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Yeah we're pretty well versed on your views on obesity. How about your views on assholes? Or people in glass houses throwing stones?
 
artemicion said:
Yeah we're pretty well versed on your views on obesity. How about your views on assholes? Or people in glass houses throwing stones?
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That would be off the subject of this thread, you should make a post about it and I'll tell you there. :awe:
 
Elevenpog said:
Call it what you will Mr denial. The thread is "why thinking obesity is okay." The answer is "its not", and any rational person with the faintest grasp of 5th grade health class mechanics wouldn't need people telling them otherwise.

But here we are, having this discussion. You walked into it and took offense to my view on the obese masses personally. I'm sorry I don't sugar coat things and come across as an asshole. Your obesity (the group of obese, rather) became free game for open discussion decades ago when it started plaguing society. Your CHOICES affect me. You choose to remain fat. The obese choose to remain fat. I don't have to accept that.
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You call me "Mr denial" - what, exactly, am I denying? I can't find ANYTHING in this thread that can be proven in fact that I have denied. I have never - not even once - said that I'm a fan of, or encourage, obesity. I don't think that it's okay. When did I say otherwise (and yes, take the context of each and every comment into consideration).

What attributes are you associated with, that I could shame you for? Smoking? Drugs? Do you ride a motorcycle? Ski? Any other dangerous sports (and by sports, I mean damn near anything)? Doing any of those things is detrimental to society, because if you have an accident, taxes and healthcare are impacted. Perhaps not a specific accident that you have, but everyone like you, collectively. I think I read somewhere that you're in the armed forces. Should we discontinue veteran healthcare, since that's a drain on society? Perhaps we could just summarily dismiss the entire DoD, since that's a cost center rather than a profit center. Where's the line?

Elevenpog said:
And I'm not attacking him as an individual (okay, I'm sure I did several times, but that was not my overall intent), I'm attacking the obesity epidemic and "fat acceptance" and "health at every size". I'm trying to point out that decisions people make are affecting me, and that entitles me to an opinion, and my opinion is that I don't have to accept them or appreciate them.
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Yes, you were directly attacking me. Separate and apart from that, you are attacking each and every fat person as an individual when you attack the obesity epidemic, particularly as a result of fat shaming. Don't even pretend that this is an objective issue. It's intensely personal for fat people, and apparently for your side of the argument also.

Next three quotes are a bundle, so as to follow context:

TechBoyJK said:
Most people are to PC to admit it's a mess. 95% of parents can't even tell their kids are obese.
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GeekDrew said:
That it's a "mess" is subjective, not factual. You make assumptions that are not universally true - for example, you seem to assume that people want to live better or healthier. Why should they?

FWIW, I do consider myself a mess, but not because I'm fat. I have far bigger problems.
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TechBoyJK said:
Actually, using objective data, the obesity problem in the us is CLEARLY a mess.

I have to completely disagree about it being subjective. It's not just a mess, it's an epidemic.
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I was referring to my specific situation, not the obesity epidemic. I completely agree that that is a mess, but I have no idea how to solve it, other than to help each and every person, one by one, figure out what their root problem is, and resolve it. And no, "being fat" is frequently not the root problem - there's something else, and being fat is a symptom.
 
^ Being fat is a symptom of eating too much and not exercising in all but a VERY small percentage of cases.

There's no underlying issue here. We simply eat out too much, and just have too much access to rich food nowadays.
If a fat person wants to "figure out what the problem is", I'd start with their food intake. Reduce it, and start exercising, and nearly every one will lose weight. End of story.

Just 30 years ago, people didn't eat out all the time. Eating out was a special thing. Now, it's pretty much a normal thing. That's not good.

Then you get into "what" we eat. How much we eat. How sedentary we are.

Now a fat person today might be guilty one of these things, multiple, or usually, all of them. Never know what someone's particular vice is, but the bottom line is this: For whatever reason, people have stopped watching what they eat and are bigger.

It's not a social issue, it's not "something they can't help"....it's personal choice. If you are fat, then you are fat because you eat too much, eat poorly, and don't exercise. That's an undeniable fact.

If you CHOOSE this lifestyle and are comfortable with it....fine. You know you shouldn't look like that, but if you choose to do so anyway, then you should expect the raised eyebrows, harsh looks, etc. Just like smokers are getting the same thing, and rightfully so.

The problem I have is with this recent movement to legitimize obesity, like it's normal, and not something to be ashamed of. It damned well IS something to be ashamed of. If not "ashamed", then at least you should be aware enough to realize you shouldn't look like that and SHOULD be making some changes.

But now we're seeing the call for people to "accept their bodies", and "feel comfortable in their bodies". Poppycock. I don't personally condone outright fat shaming, which is tantamount to bullying, but I also don't condone telling these people that it's okay that they look like that.
Before long, that'll progress to "it's not their fault". And it damn well is. And they should absolutely know that it is, and their doctors should be telling them they should make changes every single time they visit.

We had a thread recently on a morbidly obese woman that has a pretty face who is now signed to a modeling contract, and she claimed her doctor has never told her she wasn't healthy. That's an incompetent doctor, IF that is true.
 
artemicion said:
GeekDrew has been pretty open and honest about his life choices. He understands the consequences of them. He's not denying anything. He's OK by my book.
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+1 I'd much much much rather have a person like Geekdrew as a friend than most of the assholes in this thead.
 
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