Can someone help me understand thinking that obesity is ok?

[feralkid]

Bullshit. We live in a free society. I'm tired of this hypocritical progressive mindset.

"Progressive" doesn't mean what you think it does.

 

[highland145]

Unless Tony Horton is posting in this thread, I'm pretty sure everybody in here has sub-optimal health practices. Personally, I think people have the right to do whatever the F they want with their life without other people nagging them to eat less hamburgers or run more marathons.

I'm overweight by medical BMI standards but not morbidly obese. I exercise about as much as I want to. I don't suffer from any tangible medical conditions as a result of my weight. I'm happy with my weight and my appearance, and frankly I don't give a rat's a$$ if you think I should eat less and exercise more because it'll extend my life by X number of years. I'd rather live 60 years eating steak and hamburgers than munch kale and quinoa every day just so I can see what years 60 through 90 are like.

This but don't expect tax payers to cover your or my stupid habits via medicare/caid. Or your co-workers to suffer increased insurance premiums.

Man up.

 

[TechBoyJK]

their just husky cause of their over sized bones.

 

[TechBoyJK]

"Progressive" doesn't mean what you think it does.

dream theater is my favorite progressive band

 

[master_shake_]

so their bones are the same. ic...

:awe:

 

[highland145]

Beat to it.

their just husky cause of their over sized bones.

 

[crashtech]

It's no longer private business. To the tune of 190 billion a year because you like cake. It's not a private matter.

Also this is child abuse. No question. But you're right, should just mind our business so you can keep cramming that pork hole of yours.

It's between health providers and their customers. Fat people need to pay more because of the added risk and cost, and if they don't, providers should be allowed to refuse treatment.

Also , if you really, really, want to make it personal, feel free to PM me.

 

[highland145]

It's between health providers and their customers. Fat people need to pay more because of the added risk and cost, and if they don't, providers should be allowed to refuse treatment.

No. Everyone pays more for the pool. I'd guess most here are in a group plan.

 

[Nograts]

It's between health providers and their customers. Fat people need to pay more because of the added risk and cost, and if they don't, providers should be allowed to refuse treatment.

Also , if you really, really, want to make it personal, feel free to PM me.

And who pays for the bigger ambulances? The increased fuel cost? The bigger hospital beds? Who takes up more time in a hospital bed causing wait times for procedures?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ices-seven-hour-operation-taken-hospital.html

Oh but obesity isn't affecting the populace now is it.

 

[TechBoyJK]

It's between health providers and their customers. Fat people need to pay more because of the added risk and cost, and if they don't, providers should be allowed to refuse treatment.

Also , if you really, really, want to make it personal, feel free to PM me.

For their personal lives, it's between them and their doctor. But when you start telling people in our shared society that obesity is ok, then it's a societal problem and you are rightfully up for criticism.

With all due respect, it seems being told obesity is bad has offended you. Can you elaborate why?

 

[TechBoyJK]

No. Everyone pays more for the pool. I'd guess most here are in a group plan.

our insurance went up because of 1 obese guy in our group. Really, it did. We now have higher deductibles, etc.

 

[clamum]

Because our culture would rather embrace victimhood than actually solve self inflicted problems. That would be too hard.

Pretty much. Personal responsibility seems like it's nearly non-existent for a lot of people these days. It's almost a no-no; instead we try and point the finger at someone/something else (play the victim), or justify it in some way. Bunch of P.C. fucking bullshit.

 

[crashtech]

No. Everyone pays more for the pool. I'd guess most here are in a group plan.

Until that ends, there isn't enough incentive to maintain a healthy weight. Risk due to health factors that are beyond one's control are fair to spread across the group, imo, but factors like smoking and obesity should carry a direct and painful dollar cost. Social stigmatization won't help, in fact, it might hurt.

 

[GasX]

You all need to watch the move "Fed Up"

The problem is sugar is as addictive as crack. People like to shame fat people for eating donuts, but would you shame a crack addict if he lived in a world where crack is for sale everywhere and advertised on every medium 24/7?

Seriously, does there need to be candy bars at the check out at office depot?

 

[TechBoyJK]

You all need to watch the move "Fed Up"

The problem is sugar is as addictive as crack. People like to shame fat people for eating donuts, but would you shame a crack addict if he lived in a world where crack is for sale everywhere and advertised on every medium 24/7?

Seriously, does there need to be candy bars at the check out at office depot?

Education helps. Most people know that crack is bad to the point they wouldn't try it even it were at the corner of every Office Max.

Nobody wants to see sugar as a drug but frankly society uses it as one.

 

[highland145]

Until that ends, there isn't enough incentive to maintain a healthy weight. Risk due to health factors that are beyond one's control are fair to spread across the group, imo, but factors like smoking and obesity should carry a direct and painful dollar cost. Social stigmatization won't help, in fact, it might hurt.

QFT.

The stigma thing is far from being effective now. More than 10 years ago (before I opened my own office), my csr's ~20Y.o. daughter came in wearing shorts with "sexy" on the seat. 12" letters?? No shame.

Edit: Incentive? Personal well being maybe?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The problem is sugar is as addictive as crack.

orly

 

[QueBert]

oh god i love the thyroid excuse.

if any morbidly obese person ever tells you it's their thyroid, you know for sure they are delusional and totally in denial.

I have a fat neighbor, I eat 2-3x what they do yet I'm half their size. There's no logical reason why I'm not twice their size based off the science of calories in calories out. I eat A LOT and I don't put on a pound. Now I'm not saying they don't overeat, they do. But I still out eat them easily every day and I'm nowhere near their size.

 

[artemicion]

So if I decide heroin is just the bees knees will you pay my medical and dental bills? I'm also going to need all ambulances to be outfitted with rehab stations and oh, instead of a standard EMS dispatch I'm going to need about 4 teams to be pulled to help me.

Mah condishuns and genetiks. I'm not drain society. Hurting my fee fees. Where's them burgers at. I have rights.

Right?

Heroin is against the law. Choosing to eat hamburgers once in awhile and exercising less than a professional body builder is not against the law.

Try again comrade.

 

[Nograts]

I get that the obese take offense to shaming, and we live in an "everyone's a winner" society, but apparently what's been done out there hasn't worked. Now we're at the shaming part. People are still getting fatter.

So what's it going to take? What's the tipping point? A giant ass lawsuit against Hersheys?

Tell us fat people. Tell us what you need, since decades of medical literature isn't enough to convince you otherwise.

 

[highland145]

The problem is sugar is as addictive as crack.

orly

This I do not doubt.

 

[Nograts]

Heroin is against the law. Choosing to eat hamburgers once in awhile and exercising less than a professional body builder is not against the law.

Try again comrade.

So well outlaw burgers then? I'm not sure your point. Are you trying to tell me that your obesity isn't negatively affecting society?

 

[highland145]

I have a fat neighbor, I eat 2-3x what they do yet I'm half their size. There's no logical reason why I'm not twice their size based off the science of calories in calories out. I eat A LOT and I don't put on a pound. Now I'm not saying they don't overeat, they do. But I still out eat them easily every day and I'm nowhere near their size.

They're out eating their recliner, most likely.

 

[highland145]

I get that the obese take offense to shaming, and we live in an "everyone's a winner" society, but apparently what's been done out there hasn't worked. Now we're at the shaming part. People are still getting fatter.

So what's it going to take? What's the tipping point? A giant ass lawsuit against Hersheys?

Tell us fat people. Tell us what you need, since decades of medical literature's enough to convince you otherwise.

Cancel EBT and fire illegals. Work or don't eat.


Doesn't matter, Prog, we're past the tipping point.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I have a fat neighbor, I eat 2-3x what they do yet I'm half their size. There's no logical reason why I'm not twice their size based off the science of calories in calories out. I eat A LOT and I don't put on a pound. Now I'm not saying they don't overeat, they do. But I still out eat them easily every day and I'm nowhere near their size.

Did you watch them get fat? Or were they fat and then you noticed they don't eat much?

This is simple. They may had some really bad food habits before, and now just don't eat much. But they're already fat, and since they don't eat much, their metabolism is dead. They likely feel miserable because what energy they do get is horded instead of immediately burned like it should do if they had a normal metabolism.

The fact that you eat more likely raises your metabolism enough to keep weight off in the first place. You burn what you eat more quickly because of this, and likely have much more energy and feel better.