Can Christians Do Good For Goodness Sake?

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Hayabusa Rider

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Let your Self-Righteousness flow through you.

He's pretty much been pissed on. One might disagree with him but if the "no personal attacks" rule was a real thing then the constant assaults on the part of some would see time outs. Heck people do vent and I understand that, but some people don't let up. He's a better person than I am at least in this regard.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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We can talk about that right after we talk about why your religion makes you sexually attracted to animals.

I thought about your comments regarding slander. and how you demand I take it back. I think not. I have lost patience over the years sad to say, but I think people should not be the target of such hate no matter what they believe about God or politics or whatever but I forgive you because you know not what you do.
 

IronWing

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I thought about your comments regarding slander. and how you demand I take it back. I think not. I have lost patience over the years sad to say, but I think people should not be the target of such hate no matter what they believe about God or politics or whatever but I forgive you because you know not what you do.
Felix trolls religion threads (so do I, mostly) so I see so issue with Cerpin's response as it matches Felix's contribution.
 

Aikouka

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From talking to people, the remark that I usually get as to why people gravitate toward the Judeo-Christian God (or really any god) is that they can't fathom that there could ever be a reason that we'd exist without some overall purpose or meaning. I can understand their quandary, as while we're biologically similar to apes, we've changed so much intellectually, that drawing a similarity between the two seems almost nonsensical. Although, speaking of intellect and drawing similarities, one of the biggest things that irks me is when someone makes a dumb remark about evolution that shows that they've either been improperly taught, have no understanding of it at all, or both. :confused:

I'm not really sure what I think about this. Psychologically, it's rather interesting. Essentially, they just feel empty and/or confused when confronted with the idea of having no reason for being. However, there are those that don't have that problem, and simply choose that there's no point in believing in a higher power as we're here to just be here.
 
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Why so much hate and bigotry? I don't get what drives this behavior in people or how they can possibly rationalize such horrific ugliness within themselves.
 

Grooveriding

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I feel religion is fundamentally an exploitation of fear. No matter which faith you are looking at, they exploit the weakness of being the only animal on this planet that has made the evolutionary leap to what we call consciousness. Having an awareness that life begins and ends is a unique experience to our species and religion is an exploitation of that awareness. Scientifically we can identify tangible metrics that have evolved in our species' brains that are different from other animals, but we do not have all the answers on the exact mechanism and moment at which the threshold to consciousness is crossed. This also tends to be where religious myths like to come in, to explain what we don't yet truly understand with mysticism.

Our species emerged about 100,000 years ago in Africa. Imagine what it was like initially for them looking up at the moon and the sun, experiencing a thunderstorm or the wind blowing. All the capabilities of our species' minds, but none of the foundation of knowledge and science we have collectively developed to pass on in order to understand nature. It would have been terrifying, they had no fucking clue what the sun or the moon was, likely why many early examples of religions immediately went to celestial objects as being deities observing us. When a thunderstorm rolled in and lightning started coming down from the sky they would have believed it was a god taking an enraged piss on them all. The mechanism of creation is always taking place and observable in nature, so mythologies developing around its early non-observable stages among self aware species in their infancy is likely a common event.

The fear mechanism is being aware your life is going to end because you can observe life ending all around you and experiencing the loss of life of those close to you in a deeply emotional way. These myths have taken hold because facing and accepting that is difficult, so it's a way out, and there is no better sell than one that lets you cheat death. There is no reason or evidence to believe we are a special species that has a paradise awaiting them and the other animals simply die off because they are not 'chosen ones'. It's easy to think we're special because of the depth of our experience in life contrasted to other animals, but we're just another example of the evolutionary process at work and the myriad of different adapted abilities it produces. In our case it is the largest example of a primate brain and the intelligence it has provided us. There are other species that have abilities we don't, yet we don't celebrate the ability of a hawk to fly at a great heights and see small rodents on the ground or the impervious immune system of an alligator as some holy gift.

The current day Abrahamic religions are so farcical as well. Three different groups, all at odds with one another, one of them starkly at odds with the other two. Yet they all worship the same god from the same story. The original book, the torah, making fundamental claims in its first genesis chapter about creation and nature that have been irrefutably proven false. The case should be closed right there for most people, but it's a testament to how irrational our species can be when we are frightened that many still choose to believe a mythology that is patently false. If I had to go in for a religion, I wouldn't even be into the current day major faiths. The Greek stuff from about 3000 years ago is a lot cooler. Give me a Zeus on a lightning bolt any day over a goat herder from the Middle East telling us all to feel bad about ourselves.
 

greatnoob

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Why so much hate and bigotry? I don't get what drives this behavior in people or how they can possibly rationalize such horrific ugliness within themselves.

Ask yourself that, your god and the filthy retards who've pushed science back by centuries so they could rape and murder others for their supposedly existing commander are the ones who are spreading hate and bigotry, fool.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Ask yourself that, your god and the filthy retards who've pushed science back by centuries so they could rape and murder others for their supposedly existing commander are the ones who are spreading hate and bigotry, fool.

If you voted you support the institution which has participated in more deaths than religion and that would be governments, some which are entirely hostile to religion.

You are now an anarchist.
 

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When it comes to opinions about the existence of a supreme being and the promises of an afterlife of elation for the good and punishment for the wicked, here's a question to both believers and non-believers of said supreme being:

Do you hope that your opinion is correct?

Don't try to prove/disprove your opinion, just answer it honestly.
 

greatnoob

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If you voted you support the institution which has participated in more deaths than religion and that would be governments, some which are entirely hostile to religion.

You are now an anarchist.
Lol it takes a real retard to believe this, especially since I live in Australia and not in your shithole soon-to-be-third-world dump. At least you admit morons like yourself support war and rape, now is that because of your religion or your blind jingoism (or as you'd like to call it, 'patriotism')?
 
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Ask yourself that, your god and the filthy retards who've pushed science back by centuries so they could rape and murder others for their supposedly existing commander are the ones who are spreading hate and bigotry, fool.
And just what are you spreading? Love? Tolerance? Take a good look at yourself before I demonized you and cast you in with the likes of Stalin and Mao. And you call me the fool. lol
 

greatnoob

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And just what are you spreading? Love? Tolerance? Take a good look at yourself before I demonized you and cast you in with the likes of Stalin and Mao. And you call me the fool. lol
I'm making your hypocrisy apparent, retard. Shouldn't you be molesting your neighbour's kids? Perhaps lynching and murdering some immigrant Muslims? How about enslaving some Africans? You've got a lot of work to do, what are you doing on these forums?
 

Atreus21

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For one there is a human need for there to be a meaning to life. There is also a human need to exist and to not die.

Another way of looking at it is that there really is meaning in life, and we have struggled since our birth to understand it.

It is a really fucking horrible hand humanity was dealt.

By whom?
 

JockoJohnson

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You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

The disrespect does come from all sides in this forum and real life. Treating people like shit because they don't see things your way is definitely not going to win over support. I know I have done this quite a few times here but this thread and some of the Trump threads seem to have taken it to a whole new level of out-retarding each other with disrespect.

Back on topic -- I went to Catholic school but haven't been to church since I graduated except for weddings and funerals. Logically, evidence to me leads to there being no God. However, with the 12 years of Catholic school, I still find myself wanting to believe that there could be one.
 

greatnoob

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I am a lapsed Catholic. That is a flaw within myself (laziness), not the church.

I was asking if you were Christian because of your avatar. Boy, you sure are a "tolerant" and "loving" Christian, aren't you?

Also, this was what a fellow "loving" Christian posted:
Why so much hate and bigotry? I don't get what drives this behavior in people or how they can possibly rationalize such horrific ugliness within themselves.
 

Atreus21

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I was asking if you were Christian because of your avatar. Boy, you sure are a "tolerant" and "loving" Christian, aren't you?

Tolerant to an extent, like every other reasonable person. I don't like that Islam seeks to impose its standards of speech (any depiction of Muhammad) on non-Muslims. If I told you to change your screen name or avatar right now because I find it offensive, and back it up with a threat of violence, how would you react?

Would you give in and do as I say? Or tell me to go F myself?
 

greatnoob

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Tolerant to an extent, like every other reasonable person. I don't like that Islam seeks to impose its standards of speech (any depiction of Muhammad) on non-Muslims.
Great, like you I'm also tolerant to a certain point. I don't like it when adults believe in a non-existant being who apparently has a religion and followers who spread "peace, happiness, love, tolerance and unity" by raping, murdering and pillaging people who don't look like them. I also don't like it when they try to take the moral high-ground like the delusional fuckwits you might've seen posting here. Lastly, I don't like it when a tolerant Christian (some, with very tolerant and love-inducing avatars of a certain other religion's prophet) is very intolerant towards non-Christians yet expects everybody to worship them and their retarded opinions. I think those people are fucking idiots who don't understand what the word 'hypocricy' means and because of that I'm intolerant towards them, just like you!
 

greatnoob

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Tolerant to an extent, like every other reasonable person. I don't like that Islam seeks to impose its standards of speech (any depiction of Muhammad) on non-Muslims. If I told you to change your screen name or avatar right now because I find it offensive, and back it up with a threat of violence, how would you react?

Would you give in and do as I say? Or tell me to go F myself?

Ah, no need to be passive-aggressive there my tolerant neighbour. I understand what you mean: you are a peaceful Christian who is trying to force me to convert to Christianity by means of (as you said) "threat of violence." This is of course a very Christian thing to do (history actually proves this) and its no surprise a loving Christian has proposed this undeniable offer to me like they have to many others.

Come up with a better argument. Btw, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself purely because youre a hypocrite - there's no need to make pretend scenarios for something you already excel at, dickhead.