Can Christians Do Good For Goodness Sake?

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Atreus21

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Great, like you I'm also tolerant to a certain point. I don't like it when adults believe in a non-existant being who apparently has a religion and followers who spread "peace, happiness, love, tolerance and unity" by raping, murdering and pillaging people who don't look like them.

Where, right now, are Christians doing this? If you're going to impugn all of Christianity with this charge, the standard of proof needs to be pretty high. Therefore I think you'll have to demonstrate at sizeable cohort of Christendom is presently engaged in these acts.

Lastly, I don't like it when a tolerant Christian (some, with very tolerant and love-inducing avatars of a certain other religion's prophet) is very intolerant towards non-Christians yet expects everybody to worship them and their retarded opinions.

You don't need to worship us. You should respect us, just as we are asked to respect (and do respect) non-Christians.

I think those people are fucking idiots who don't understand what the word 'hypocrisy' means and because of that I'm intolerant towards them, just like you!

I offer this in good faith - you should relax and stop insulting people because you don't agree with them or can't convince them against their positions.
 

Atreus21

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Btw, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself purely because youre a hypocrite - there's no need to make pretend scenarios for something you already excel at, dickhead.

Exactly. You'd tell me to go F myself. That's no different than the reason for my avatar.
 

greatnoob

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I offer this in good faith - you should relax and stop insulting people because you don't agree with them or can't convince them against their positions.
You don't need to worship us. You should respect us, just as we are asked to respect (and do respect) non-Christians.

It's glad to see you're respecting others with your very respectable, totally-not-inflammatory-to-anybody avatar. Hypocrite. Fuck yourself.
 

Atreus21

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It's glad to see you're respecting others with your very respectable, totally-not-inflammatory-to-anybody avatar. Hypocrite. Fuck yourself.

okay dude.

Incidentally, you didn't respond - where right now are Christians raping, pillaging, murdering, etc?
 
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I'm making your hypocrisy apparent, retard. Shouldn't you be molesting your neighbour's kids? Perhaps lynching and murdering some immigrant Muslims? How about enslaving some Africans? You've got a lot of work to do, what are you doing on these forums?
What hypocrisy? I didn't push science back by centuries. I didn't rape and murder others. I didn't spread hate and bigotry. I didn't molest my neighbor's kids. I didn't lynch or murder some immigrant Muslims nor ever enslaved a single African American.

But tell me, are you somehow responsible for the murders and massive human suffering of millions and millions of people at the hands of atheists throughout history? Your superior "logic" eludes me.
 

Jaskalas

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Can Christians Do Good For Goodness Sake?
There are Christians, who are what I would call true Christians, that do the good works because they follow the teachings of the scripture and strive to be like Christ.

Those that do the good things simply for the expectation of rewards, avoiding eternal damnation in hell, etc...well, I don't regard them as true Christians.

Are there good people who I don't regard as true Christians, absolutely. I pay attention to actions more than words, but both are important.

And there is the answer to the question. As ch33zw1z said there can be genuinely good people, but do we really care if others must be coerced as long as they fall in line? To remove the harm they'd do to others and replace it with kindness is worth something at least. The basis of Christianity is Jesus, and the only message that matters there is his sacrifice. It is one of pacifism, of boundless love, and to live without hate. To suffer evil as he did.

To rise above our base animal instincts, it's the definition of enlightenment, is it not? That'd be the pinnacle, the highest meaning, of Christianity.

Beyond that I think they have some details wrong. I'm not a religious person, never attended Church, and I have a fondness for Buddhists even though I've grown up in a classically Californian way. The only temple of worship needed is ones own body. That means through your actions be kind. Eat, drink, and !@#$ as you'd like, but be kind.
 
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GagHalfrunt

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From talking to people, the remark that I usually get as to why people gravitate toward the Judeo-Christian God (or really any god) is that they can't fathom that there could ever be a reason that we'd exist without some overall purpose or meaning.

Well of course. People want there to be an explanation, they want life to have a meaning and they most assuredly want more than 80 years or so or life before turning into worm food, gone forever, completely forgotten. That explains why mankind invented gods in the first place, gods were an answer to the fears. Can't understand weather, get a rain god. Why do your neighbors have a hut full of kids and you can't have any? Get a fertility god. Crop failure and starvation a worry? Get a god of the harvest, etc etc etc. That's how early "pagan" multi-god religions began. As mankind got a little (and I mean a very tiny tiny tiny) bit smarter they abandoned the pantheons of gods devoted to one fear and replaced them with a single, all-purpose god who covered everything. That explains the move from the Norse, Greek, Egyptian religions to simpler Abrahamic religions.

And it's easy to explain why people drink the kool-aid. When you're young you believe whatever your parents tell you. If they say a giant feathered flying snake is the center of the universe, you believe them. And until recently, it was almost impossible to get away from being indoctrinated. Information was hard to come by. There was no internet, few libraries, education was sorely lacking and the information about how and where the major religions were invented was beyond the reach of most people. Your great-great grandparents were indoctrinated into their little cult as a child and never had a way to learn better. They passed it onto your great-grandparents as children and they kept if for life because they could not learn better. They indoctrinated your grandparents who could never learn the truth. They passed it onto your parents and they too just kept it for life. It's all perfectly reasonable for how people managed to be stupid for so long. If generation after generation is taught that things fall because of a giant green panda living in the center of the Earth sucking them down towards himself, it takes a special individual to come up with the idea of gravity and almost nobody would believe him even when the math gets proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.

But things are different now. We have science, we have history, we have, at least in the civilized world, easy access to information. We know where and when these religions were INVENTED. We know where they came from, we know how they spread and for the most part we even can trace the fairy tales backward. Almost none of the backstory of the Abrahamic religions is even original. It can all be traced back to earlier myths and folk lore, fairy tales told for generation after generation after generation before finally being written down and codified into a single belief system. The complete life story of Jesus is lifted pretty much word for word from other minor gods that had been worshipped in that region for centuries before the name of Jesus was dreamed up (and yes, it was dreamed up). The major books of the major religions are proven to be complete shit. Every word of the bible that explains the history of the world, the lineage of the people, the geography of the earth and heavens, etc, is wrong. 100% proven categorically wrong. Believing even a single word of the bible is akin to taking a science class on gravity and then willfully choosing to believe in the giant green panda instead. It's all bullshit. It's all proven to be bullshit. Even the origin of the bible is bullshit. The bible was passed like the US congress passes a farm subsidy bill. It's not the word of god, it's fairy tales that a bunch of goat herders sat down and bargained on what they would choose to believe and what they would try to pass off to their followers as being true.

"You give me the chapter on selling your enemies kids into slavery and I'll let you keep the part about the burning bush, deal?" "Deal!" Spit on the hands, shake and poof, that's how the word of god got into the book in the first place.

And none of that is a secret anymore. The origins of the myths are clear, the history of the beginnings of the religions are clear and prove that the stories are just that, old stories invented by men. So yeah, the desire to believe in an all-powerful god is understandable, a person has to be monumentally and willfully stupid to actually do it in this day and age. The Abrahamic gods are no more real than the feathered snake or the green panda. That's why we atheists look down on the wannabelievers. It's not that they were hoodwinked by being indoctrinated into religion, that could happen to anyone. It's that they choose, they demand, they insist upon remaining stupid. They've got all the information about gravity at their fingertips and they purposefully ignore it so they can go on believing in the green panda instead.
 
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greatnoob

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okay dude.

Incidentally, you didn't respond - where right now are Christians raping, pillaging, murdering, etc?
Solid strawman, go ahead and quote where I said "now," I'll wait. I'm pointing your hypocrisy, and here you are changing this to something I just mentioned for effect.
 

greatnoob

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So they're not doing it now?
Are you really this stupid? There is no timeframe mentioned in my post. Even though you're intentionally being a retard right now and shifting goal posts, I'd love to see how my post directed at you (to show your hypocrisy) was turned into an argument about the atrocities of Christianity in general. Quote where I provided a timeframe.
 

Atreus21

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Are you really this stupid? There is no timeframe mentioned in my post. Even though you're intentionally being a retard right now and shifting goal posts, I'd love to see how my post directed at you (to show your hypocrisy) was turned into an argument about the atrocities of Christianity in general. Quote where I provided a timeframe.

You charged Christians for being responsible for raping, pillaging and murdering people who don't look like them. You didn't specify a time frame.

So are they presently doing that, or aren't they?
 

greatnoob

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You charged Christians for being responsible for raping, pillaging and murdering people who don't look like them. You didn't specify a time frame.

So are they presently doing that, or aren't they?

Strawman. Original post was directed at you to show your hypocrisy. You've somehow turned this into Christianity's atrocities. You've picked one bit of what I've said and shifted goal posts like the intellectually dishonest Christian you are.
 

Atreus21

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Strawman. Original post was directed at you to show your hypocrisy. You've somehow turned this into Christianity's atrocities. You've picked one bit of what I've said and shifted goal posts like the intellectually dishonest Christian you are.

Just answer the question. You brought up Christian atrocities, not me.
 

GagHalfrunt

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okay dude.

Incidentally, you didn't respond - where right now are Christians raping, pillaging, murdering, etc?

Africa and the Pacific islands. Christians, with Vatican backing, are engaging in genocide in Africa and the attempted extermination of indigenous culture in the Pacific right now.
 

greatnoob

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Here is the original argument you fuckwit. You were caught being a typical Christian hypocrite, so you decide to throw in a strawman:

I was asking if you were Christian because of your avatar. Boy, you sure are a "tolerant" and "loving" Christian, aren't you?

Tolerant to an extent, like every other reasonable person. I don't like that Islam seeks to impose its standards of speech (any depiction of Muhammad) on non-Muslims.

You don't need to worship us. You should respect us, just as we are asked to respect (and do respect) non-Christians.

I offer this in good faith - you should relax and stop insulting people because you don't agree with them or can't convince them against their positions.

It's glad to see you're respecting others with your very respectable, totally-not-inflammatory-to-anybody avatar. Hypocrite. *** yourself
 

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Lol it takes a real retard to believe this, especially since I live in Australia and not in your shithole soon-to-be-third-world dump. At least you admit morons like yourself support war and rape, now is that because of your religion or your blind jingoism (or as you'd like to call it, 'patriotism')?


You are or were a part of the British Empire. You were a colony. Your government's treatment of the aboriginal population? Abhorrent. The major wars of the last century mostly involved disputes between governments. Then there's Mao and Stalin, two who were much like you in how they despised anything to do with religion, killing more than a few because of it. Purges at the hands of atheists. Deaths by imperialism. Killing by your racist governments in Australia.

Methinks you protest too much. Now your homework assignment. I have been here a long time so if you had any credibility you would find my support for war. I must have been for the Iraq adventure? No? Well specifically which ones?

Good luck with that my great noob.
 

Atreus21

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A Christian cult, don't forget that part, it is key to understanding their motives.

Per wikipedia, their motives are not easily identified.

But even on the possibility of Christianity being their driver, the actions of a cult comprising about 400 people don't exactly rise to the standard of maligning all Christians.
 

greatnoob

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You are or were a part of the British Empire. You were a colony. Your government's treatment of the aboriginal population? Abhorrent. The major wars of the last century mostly involved disputes between governments. Then there's Mao and Stalin, two who were much like you in how they despised anything to do with religion, killing more than a few because of it. Purges at the hands of atheists. Deaths by imperialism. Killing by your racist governments in Australia.

Methinks you protest too much. Now your homework assignment. I have been here a long time so if you had any credibility you would find my support for war. I must have been for the Iraq adventure? No? Well specifically which ones?

Good luck with that my great noob.
I'm not Anglo, nice try assuming what you don't know, idiot. You do realise there are Caucasians who migrated here in the mid 1950s who weren't raping and murdering Aborigines like the Christian Anglos (and their Missionaries) were, right?
 
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Here is the original argument you fuckwit. You were caught being a typical Christian hypocrite, so you decide to throw in a strawman:
I'm impressed with the variety of your pejorative personal insults.

Let's see...fuckwit, moron, idiot, retard...did I miss any? I'm sure I did.

BTW...still waiting for your response to Post #330.
 

Atreus21

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What you said:

Great, like you I'm also tolerant to a certain point. I don't like it when adults believe in a non-existant being who apparently has a religion and followers who spread "peace, happiness, love, tolerance and unity" by raping, murdering and pillaging people who don't look like them.

So. Where are they doing this presently?
 

IronWing

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Per wikipedia, their motives are not easily identified.

But even on the possibility of Christianity being their driver, the actions of a cult comprising about 400 people don't exactly rise to the standard of maligning all Christians.
Could you provide a guide on to when to use the broad brush and when to use the fine point? Seems like there is a general lack of consistency across the board (<== broad brush, that is).