Can Christians Do Good For Goodness Sake?

[Moonbeam]

what is god conscious?

It means that the eye with which you see God is the same eye with which he sees you, in short, a secret that protects itself. You might say as well as a million other things that is that conscious that is aware only of love.

 

[JSt0rm]

It means that the eye with which you see God is the same eye with which he sees you, in short, a secret that protects itself. You might say as well as a million other things that is that conscious that is aware only of love.

Im not following you. I'm pretty sure I touch the source every day and it has nothing to do with a higher power.

 

[Moonbeam]

The problem with religious people is that they believe that because God or whomever is the highest moral being, their understanding of that that being sees as moral is identical with what they see as moral. The result is fanatical evil, believing that what you do is absolutely right when it may be just bull shit, what the person's sick ego may want and not what God wants.

The problem with atheists is that they can be just as fanatical that God does not exist with the result that their moral beliefs can potentially be anything, unconstrained even by traditional religious wisdom. They can fearlessly also believe, like many Christians, that what they believe is ultimate morality.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

It's a mistake to debate Christians about theology because there are literally as many Christianities as there are Christians. They're all made up, ad-hoc to fig leaf for the believer's prejudices.

The alleged actions and alleged desires of putative gods are irrelevant until the existence of any such god can first be established, and to date no such feat has been accomplished.

Regardless of your beliefs or, lack thereof, how's ignoring the actions of those who believe working out for you?

 

[sandorski]

Regardless of your beliefs or, lack thereof, how's ignoring the actions of those who believe working out for you?

He was talking about gods, not believers in gods.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

He was talking about gods, not believers in gods.

And my point was you can argue about the existence of God all you like but, you cannot argue the effect that those who believe have on the world for good or ill.

 

[sandorski]

And my point was you can argue about the existence of God all you like but, you cannot argue the effect that those who believe have on the world for good or ill.

Fair enough.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

And my point was you can argue about the existence of God all you like but, you cannot argue the effect that those who believe have on the world for good or ill.

And you can't argue the effect that dangerous schizophrenics have on the world for good or ill. And you can't argue the effect that drunk drivers have on the world for good or ill. And you can't argue the effect that megalomaniac school hallway monitors have on the world for good or ill. What's your freaking point? That delusional freaks who believe an invisible man in the sky is directing their actions are people? Wow! Thanks, very insightful.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

And you can't argue the effect that dangerous schizophrenics have on the world for good or ill. And you can't argue the effect that drunk drivers have on the world for good or ill. And you can't argue the effect that megalomaniac school hallway monitors have on the world for good or ill. What's your freaking point? That delusional freaks who believe an invisible man in the sky is directing their actions are people? Wow! Thanks, very insightful.

I think the number of those who believe and their impact on the world is an order of magnitude greater than the damaged folks you're desperately trying to equate them to. Why so angry? God loves you.

 

[JSt0rm]

I think the number of those who believe and their impact on the world is an order of magnitude greater than the damaged folks you're desperately trying to equate them to. Why so angry? God loves you.

religion and resources are the 2 reasons people wage war. 50% of the reason for war isnt full of good people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trijicon_biblical_verses_controversy

 

[HeXen]

It's a mistake to debate Christians about theology because there are literally as many Christianities as there are Christians. They're all made up, ad-hoc to fig leaf for the believer's prejudices.

The alleged actions and alleged desires of putative gods are irrelevant until the existence of any such god can first be established, and to date no such feat has been accomplished.

Some do have amusing answers if you question their beliefs. I remember many years ago, I forget the convo but a guy saying how I was going to be stuck in limbo and he was going to have all this gold and a mansion..etc. and I'm like, what are you gonna do with gold if you're dead dumbass? If heaven has an exchange economy then wtf was the point? lol. They do have an answer to everything you can imagine though, no matter how silly, it's amazing.

I mean I keep an open mind to any possibilities but some just defy any rational logic whatsoever as if it's a cartoon world.

 

[JSt0rm]

The problem with religious people is that they believe that because God or whomever is the highest moral being, their understanding of that that being sees as moral is identical with what they see as moral. The result is fanatical evil, believing that what you do is absolutely right when it may be just bull shit, what the person's sick ego may want and not what God wants.

The problem with atheists is that they can be just as fanatical that God does not exist with the result that their moral beliefs can potentially be anything, unconstrained even by traditional religious wisdom. They can fearlessly also believe, like many Christians, that what they believe is ultimate morality.

I get you. And I agree.

 

[JSt0rm]

Some do have amusing answers if you question their beliefs. I remember many years ago, I forget the convo but a guy saying how I was going to be stuck in limbo and he was going to have all this gold and a mansion..etc. and I'm like, what are you gonna do with gold if you're dead dumbass? If heaven has an exchange economy then wtf was the point? lol. They do have an answer to everything you can imagine though, no matter how silly, it's amazing.

I mean I keep an open mind to any possibilities but some just defy any rational logic whatsoever as if it's a cartoon world.

Its hard to swallow the end of life being the end of self. Very hard. But remember all of the random chances that had to happen to even get 80 years of life. What a gift it is to enjoy even that little bit of time. And people squander it in so many different ways.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

ROFLMAO!! I love to watch nerves get struck and cause such painful twitches.

Atheists understand why there is shit in the world, people are scumbags and scumbags make it that way. It's you delusional wannabelievers who look at the shit in the world and believe it's because an omnipotent being wants it that way.

Actually most atheists aren't so judgemental and bigoted. They don't pretend they have the answers nor are so bigited as many round these parts seem to be and accept that many people think and feel differently and that makes them different, but that's about all. Frankly you have no idea what I make of the world or the reasons it is this way. I to do not blame god for it. I blame those who think they are inherently better for their ignorance of others or disregard based on beliefs or color or any such thing. YMMV, obviously.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

religion and resources are the 2 reasons people wage war. 50% of the reason for war isnt full of good people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trijicon_biblical_verses_controversy

And how do you calculate the good believers have done? Regardless, my point is STILL that the effect of believers on the world is not open for debate so, hiding behind a philosophical argument about the existence of God is irrelevant.

 

[bshole]

The problem with religious people is that they believe that because God or whomever is the highest moral being, their understanding of that that being sees as moral is identical with what they see as moral. The result is fanatical evil, believing that what you do is absolutely right when it may be just bull shit, what the person's sick ego may want and not what God wants.

The problem with atheists is that they can be just as fanatical that God does not exist with the result that their moral beliefs can potentially be anything, unconstrained even by traditional religious wisdom. They can fearlessly also believe, like many Christians, that what they believe is ultimate morality.

Isn't morality just a survival mechanism? There is no good or evil just survival mechanisms that work better than others.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I think the number of those who believe and their impact on the world is an order of magnitude greater than the damaged folks you're desperately trying to equate them to. Why so angry? God loves you.

You see what you want to see.

I do not agree that people acting upon ideas without basis in reality are a net positive for society.

 

[bshole]

Actually most atheists aren't so judgemental and bigoted. They don't pretend they have the answers nor are so bigited as many round these parts seem to be and accept that many people think and feel differently and that makes them different, but that's about all. Frankly you have no idea what I make of the world or the reasons it is this way. I to do not blame god for it. I blame those who think they are inherently better for their ignorance of others or disregard based on beliefs or color or any such thing. YMMV, obviously.

That doesn't apply to youtube atheists who can be very cruel and judgmental. I don't believe people lose their fear and distrust of the other simply because they don't believe in God. The fear and distrust of the other is an evolved trait which kept us from extinction.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You see what you want to see.

I do not agree that people acting upon ideas without basis in reality are a net positive for society.

I'm sorry your version of reality is limited to what you can point at. It's sad and self deceiving to reduce the total of human existence and it's gamut of emotions to the chemical and electrical functions of the body.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'm sorry your version of reality is limited to what you can point at. It's sad and self deceiving to reduce the total of human existence and it's gamut of emotions to the chemical and electrical functions of the body.

Thank you for your concern, but disparaging me isn't going to elevate any of the absurdities believed by the likes of you. I hope it makes you feel better, though. That's what's really important, isn't it?

 

[UglyCasanova]

What a wretched thread. People like the OP make it all the more difficult for the rest of us atheists who don't want to be seen as condescending assholes.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I'm a Christian and I do good for goodness sake.

Merry Christmas!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That doesn't apply to youtube atheists who can be very cruel and judgmental. I don't believe people lose their fear and distrust of the other simply because they don't believe in God. The fear and distrust of the other is an evolved trait which kept us from extinction.

If we look at the major conflicts of the West over the last hundred years or more, virtually none of them were about religion. They were political acts for the purpose of nationalism or gain. WWI, II, Korea, Vietnam and on and on had everything to do with leaders who drove the atheists as well as the religious to fight for their country. Substitute despotism, nationalisn, ideology- They are the driving factors which many are subject to.

Ah well, nothing changes.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

What a wretched thread. People like the OP make it all the more difficult for the rest of us atheists who don't want to be seen as condescending assholes.

Stunning self-awareness on display

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What a wretched thread. People like the OP make it all the more difficult for the rest of us atheists who don't want to be seen as condescending assholes.

Bigotry is like heat or electricity, thermodynamics in general really. It finds a path of least resistance and resides until dispelled by another force. Here it's generally religion. Try this with most any other group and they'd be tossed, but it's completely acceptable here.

That said I don't believe people should be banned for that because it reveals the true nature of people and it's good to see them for what they are. To you a merry Christmas! Take it in the sprit it's meant.