Can Christians Do Good For Goodness Sake?

[GagHalfrunt]

I can assure you that God is real

Wow, I have your assurances? Now I can sleep better at night. All my belief about god being a myth had nothing to do with his own utter failures and was fueled solely by the fact that you had not assured me. Hallelujah, I have seen the light!!

Tell yah what, when you're speaking to your almighty invisible man, ask him to assure me himself. A god sure as hell wouldn't need you to speak for him.

 

[MajinCry]

No. Christ was in a constant battle with the keepers of the law and they eventually brought about his demise. Doing things on the Sabbath? Always.

How could Christ keep the law and violate it if your non-contextual statement is true? No one who seriously tries to understand Christianity would make that claim any more than they would say that atheists want to steal babies and Muslims behead all who aren't Islamic.

The answer to that is simple; Christ isn't human, he's Yahweh's avatar. God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Ghost 'n' all that.

And it's no surprise that the Bible has inconsistencies. What with the OT being Judaism's Torah, and the NT being Roman fan fiction that was tacked on at the end.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

...No, no they are not contained in the ten commandments. For example, here's one not covered by those stone tablets:

Deuteronomy 22:23-24


Great, at least you understand that it's impossible for the Bible to be adhered to, which puts the whole idea of the New Covenant in perspective, since such has been admitted by the Bible itself.

Jeremiah 31:31-34


And the admission:

Luke 16:17

The new testament, Jesus Christ, supercedes Deuteronomy, Moses, and that is not a commandment of God. If you read with love and God in your heart you might understand the meaning rather than the explicit wordage. The entire new testament is a parable. I submit that there is no wording of the Bible that will create understanding and faith when read with fear and hate .

 

[lxskllr]

The new testament, Jesus Christ, supercedes Deuteronomy

Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The map is not the territory. God is the final arbiter not, the Bible.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Most Christians don't do good at all. And the ones that do anything good it's probably more out of fear of the punishment rather than greed for rewards. They've invented an invisible man in the sky that for some odd reason created them broken and then blames them for being broken. So they have to spend their lives kissing ass to get out of an eternity of hellish torment where god will send them to prove how much he loves them.

Well neither do atheists. They've decided to be the be and end all and proclaiming things they do not care to understand. They also do nasty things with sheep.

Don't even get me started on Buddhists, which are a conspiracy of the New World Order and want RFID chips in our cereal.

You can tell a lot about a place by the bigotry they renounce and embrace.

 

[lxskllr]

The map is not the territory. God is the final arbiter not, the Bible.

So it's

Follow my rule book, or don't. I'm making it up as I go LoL. Make sure you get it right!

Does that make any sense? We wouldn't have sports if that how the rules were laid out. Every game would end in multiple deaths, with no winners... Oh, maybe you're right afterall...

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Well neither do atheists. They've decided to be the be and end all and proclaiming things they do not care to understand. They also do nasty things with sheep.

Don't even get me started on Buddhists, which are a conspiracy of the New World Order and want RFID chips in our cereal.

You can tell a lot about a place by the bigotry they renounce and embrace.

ROFLMAO!! I love to watch nerves get struck and cause such painful twitches.

Atheists understand why there is shit in the world, people are scumbags and scumbags make it that way. It's you delusional wannabelievers who look at the shit in the world and believe it's because an omnipotent being wants it that way.

 

[ch33zw1z]

God may be the arbiter, but if you're a Christian then the Bible is your playbook. God doles out judgement based on his playbook.

Both testaments need to be read and understood. one does not exist without the other, as God ordained these books to be part of the Bible thru his influence over the men who created it.

Otherwise, fuck it.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

So it's

Does that make any sense? We wouldn't have sports if that how the rules were laid out. Every game would end in multiple deaths, with no winners... Oh, maybe you're right afterall...

You're making exactly the same mistake the Jewish leadership made, demanding a set of rules that will guarantee an entrance to heaven . God begrudgingly gave us a set of rules telling us we could not follow them. One more time, there is no agreement nor, any way we can positively influence God when we are judged.

 

[lxskllr]

You're making exactly the same mistake the Jewish leadership made, demanding a set of rules that will guarantee an entrance to heaven . God begrudgingly gave us a set of rules telling us we could not follow them. One more time, there is no agreement nor, any way we can positively influence God when we are judged.

Jews made the mistake of following the rules an omnipotent being gave them? I can't hardly blame them. Not sure I'd do the same, but that's how I roll, for better or worse...

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Jews made the mistake of following the rules an omnipotent being gave them? I can't hardly blame them. Not sure I'd do the same, but that's how I roll, for better or worse...

Now, you're just being intentionally obtuse.

 

[RandomWords]

Hmm... thats funny. I've read the bible - in order since it's arranged out of order... and nowhere did i read good works were a reward in heaven. Now - if you dont follow Jesus - which a whole branch of christianity doesnt - then perhaps. However, if you do follow Jesus, from what I read there are only 2 commandments that really matter and he hits on that basically "sure, it's good to follow the ten commandments as well" but it isnt a mandate for salvation.

Every other passage i hear people take or preachers preach on are grossly out of context most of the time and fails to consider other variables and the bible as an entirety. Such as letters to people in the last chapters which are not holy decrees anymore than what churches preached during Jesus's time of which Jesus had a hissy fit over...

But that's just what i read and interpreted. everyone understands things differently. That's the issue with communication.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Jews made the mistake of following the rules an omnipotent being gave them? I can't hardly blame them. Not sure I'd do the same, but that's how I roll, for better or worse...

And the Jews are about to undergo Daniel's 70 weeks to make them submissive so they don't all perish. The Jews will all that is left of humanity on this earth after the tribulation is complete.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Hmm... thats funny. I've read the bible - in order since it's arranged out of order... and nowhere did i read good works were a reward in heaven. Now - if you dont follow Jesus - which a whole branch of christianity doesnt - then perhaps. However, if you do follow Jesus, from what I read there are only 2 commandments that really matter and he hits on that basically "sure, it's good to follow the ten commandments as well" but it isnt a mandate for salvation.

Every other passage i hear people take or preachers preach on are grossly out of context most of the time and fails to consider other variables and the bible as an entirety. Such as letters to people in the last chapters which are not holy decrees anymore than what churches preached during Jesus's time of which Jesus had a hissy fit over...

But that's just what i read and interpreted. everyone understands things differently. That's the issue with communication.

You must have faith to gain insight and intent from the Bible but, too many pick it apart to show why faith is foolish in their eyes.

 

[sandorski]

I think most Christians who do Good Works primarily do so for the same reasons others do them. That is, because they Care and/or feel good about doing them. When it comes to Christians what I find to be the biggest disappointment(outside of Science Denialism anyway) is with those who believe in "Faith Alone" so much that they feel that being a complete asshole is perfectly fine.

 

[Puffnstuff]

prosperity gospel ya'll. The fact that something like that even exists tells you all you need to know about humans and religion.

In Matthew 6:24 it says that a man cannot serve both God and money as he cannot serve two masters, for he will love the one and hate the other. 1st Timothy 6:10 says that the love of money is the root of all evil and these denominations that seek money and power are apostate as they've left their first love fulfilling the great falling away of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 . Being a Christian doesn't make a person perfect as some imply for we will always wrestle with the flesh until we leave this world. For all of you who doubt the existence of your maker the moment you draw your last breath in this life and depart you will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you've made a monumental mistake that cannot be reversed. I'm sure that you'll remember all of the crazies like me who tried to tell you but it was more fun to ridicule than to listen to what could've saved you.

 

[HeXen]

Most of my Christian experience comes from snooty and hateful ones. One I know talks shit about everyone...every body she knows the name of. Another...a pastor no less, hates gays and wrote an article in the local paper touting about how gays are going to hell or some such hate speech a year or so back when all the talk of legalizing gay marriage was the hot topic. Another has her nose so high in the air she needs an oxygen mask to breath.

I'm sure tons of them are genuine but man there are a lot of hate mongers hiding behind the veil of religion.

 

[JSt0rm]

In Matthew 6:24 it says that a man cannot serve both God and money as he cannot serve two masters, for he will love the one and hate the other. 1st Timothy 6:10 says that the love of money is the root of all evil and these denominations that seek money and power are apostate as they've left their first love fulfilling the great falling away of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 . Being a Christian doesn't make a person perfect as some imply for we will always wrestle with the flesh until we leave this world. For all of you who doubt the existence of your maker the moment you draw your last breath in this life and depart you will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you've made a monumental mistake that cannot be reversed. I'm sure that you'll remember all of the crazies like me who tried to tell you but it was more fun to ridicule than to listen to what could've saved you.

lmao. This drivel is so tired. Do you really think if some omnipotent being actually exists he gives a fuck if I worship him? Like if I dont he is gonna send me to hell. Come on. Also wtf are you going to do for eternity? The human brain cant comprehend that amount of time. what did you do for the etnerity up to this point? No. The only way to spend eternity is non existence and thats exactly where we all are headed. Enjoy your life. Make good choices. Be nice to people. You dont need a "god" to live like that.

 

[bshole]

For all of you who doubt the existence of your maker the moment you draw your last breath in this life and depart you will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you've made a monumental mistake that cannot be reversed. I'm sure that you'll remember all of the crazies like me who tried to tell you but it was more fun to ridicule than to listen to what could've saved you.

And that is your God in a nutshell. He creates man without freewill (now confirmed scientifically) and commands them to believe something on no evidence or he will torture them in hell for eternity knowing all the time that he created many of them with brains that would require evidence to believe.

A just and loving God would never have created a place to torture his creations forever for the sin of not being able to believe things on no evidence. A just and loving God would never have created Earth in the first place, he would have created man in Heaven. The only rational purpose for Earth is an excuse for God to torture the vast majority of his creation for eternity.

I believe Hell was invented by the founders of Christianity (borrowing from other religions) as way of scaring the shit out of people to get them to believe. It was incredibly effective..... possibly the most effective invention of religion in history. I spent my childhood rededicating myself to Jesus just to be extra sure that I wasn't going to burn. The worst part about Christianity is that they constantly say that by your works you will be known, that if you turn your back on Christianity then you were never saved in the first place..... so even if you do believe 100% at one point in your life, you are still eligible for hell if you cease to believe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/

 

[JSt0rm]

And that is your God in a nutshell. He creates man without freewill (now confirmed scientifically) and commands them to believe something on no evidence or he will torture them in hell for eternity knowing all the time that he created many of them with brains that would require evidence to believe.

A just and loving God would never have created a place to torture his creations forever for the sin of not being able to believe things on no evidence. A just and loving God would never have created Earth in the first place, he would have created man in Heaven. The only rational purpose for Earth is an excuse for God to torture the vast majority of his creation for eternity.

I believe Hell was invented by the founders of Christianity (borrowing from other religions) as way of scaring the shit out of people to get them to believe. It was incredibly effective..... possibly the most effective invention of religion in history. I spent my childhood rededicating myself to Jesus just to be extra sure that I wasn't going to burn. The worst part about Christianity is that they constantly say that by your works you will be known, that if you turn your back on Christianity then you were never saved in the first place..... so even if you do believe 100% at one point in your life, you are still eligible for hell if you cease to believe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/

its almost as if it doesnt make sense. Its almost as if a 2000 year old religion is primitive.

 

[Moonbeam]

God made man in his own image because man made God in his own image. Your beliefs about God reflect your beliefs about yourself. What you believe about yourself depends on the evolution of your consciousness. If there is a state of consciousness that is self evident to those that have experienced it as transcendent as the experience of God is claimed by some to be, then one might expect God conscious individuals to report that who God is can only be known by those who experience the sense we were created in his image. And if you do not experience God consciousness then whether you believe literally or doubt, in either case you don't really know anything. The secret protects itself from fools like us.

 

[JSt0rm]

what is god conscious?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Most of my Christian experience comes from snooty and hateful ones. One I know talks shit about everyone...every body she knows the name of. Another...a pastor no less, hates gays and wrote an article in the local paper touting about how gays are going to hell or some such hate speech a year or so back when all the talk of legalizing gay marriage was the hot topic. Another has her nose so high in the air she needs an oxygen mask to breath.

I'm sure tons of them are genuine but man there are a lot of hate mongers hiding behind the veil of religion.

I absolutely agree with you and feel the very same way about them. Not so long ago I had words with a particular church because they were bashing the LBGT's in TX and refused to comply with a bathroom law giving transgenders their own restroom. Only two other people stood up against them on behalf of the LBGT"s and the church people were among the most hateful you'd ever want to meet.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

It's a mistake to debate Christians about theology because there are literally as many Christianities as there are Christians. They're all made up, ad-hoc to fig leaf for the believer's prejudices.

The alleged actions and alleged desires of putative gods are irrelevant until the existence of any such god can first be established, and to date no such feat has been accomplished.