Call of Duty 2 (Xbox 360 and PC comparison)

[anandtechrocks]

I played the COD2 (demo) on an Xbox 360 at BB and although it looked nice, it seemed a little laggy at times, and the resolution was noticably less than the PC verion (which I own). By the way I'm not sure what exact TV the 360 was on, but I remember it was some Samsung plasma screen.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: xtx4u
Maybe you aren't sitting close enough to ur HDTV to notice the jaggies. 360's graphic sucks, next-gen my ass it doesn't even have 16x AF hahhahah

If the graphics suck so bad, then how come Fight Night 3 looks the way it does? And if the PC's is so great, then how come the PC has no equivilent character models to FN3?

(See my post above for screenshots... I don't feel like reposting it, yet again.)

Because it's not out yet. All games look amazing before they are out, it's called marketing and you bought the hype.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
I played the COD2 (demo) on an Xbox 360 at BB and although it looked nice, it seemed a little laggy at times, and the resolution was noticably less than the PC verion (which I own). By the way I'm not sure what exact TV the 360 was on, but I remember it was some Samsung plasma screen.

The demo version does not have Anitiasling enabled , the Retail version does.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
I played the COD2 (demo) on an Xbox 360 at BB and although it looked nice, it seemed a little laggy at times, and the resolution was noticably less than the PC verion (which I own). By the way I'm not sure what exact TV the 360 was on, but I remember it was some Samsung plasma screen.

The demo version does not have Anitiasling enabled , the Retail version does.

I doubt it. There was another thread that had screenshots and the Xbox version had no AA. The person even presented the PC version at the same res with no AA and 2xx AA and the no AA version matched the 360 screeshot.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
I played the COD2 (demo) on an Xbox 360 at BB and although it looked nice, it seemed a little laggy at times, and the resolution was noticably less than the PC verion (which I own). By the way I'm not sure what exact TV the 360 was on, but I remember it was some Samsung plasma screen.

The demo version does not have Anitiasling enabled , the Retail version does.

I doubt it. There was another thread that had screenshots and the Xbox version had no AA. The person even presented the PC version at the same res with no AA and 2xx AA and the no AA version matched the 360 screeshot.

<sigh> dude I own a 360 and an HDTV, I can clearly see that AA is enabled on the Retail version, when I play the demo the lack of AA is clearly noticed as well. Im not making this stuff up.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: xtx4u
Maybe you aren't sitting close enough to ur HDTV to notice the jaggies. 360's graphic sucks, next-gen my ass it doesn't even have 16x AF hahhahah

If the graphics suck so bad, then how come Fight Night 3 looks the way it does? And if the PC's is so great, then how come the PC has no equivilent character models to FN3?

(See my post above for screenshots... I don't feel like reposting it, yet again.)

Because it's not out yet. All games look amazing before they are out, it's called marketing and you bought the hype.

What demo have you played, that was released just a few weeks before release, that didn't look like the retail version?

I doubt it. There was another thread that had screenshots and the Xbox version had no AA. The person even presented the PC version at the same res with no AA and 2xx AA and the no AA version matched the 360 screeshot.

You make a lot of assumptions based on what you've "heard" and "seen"... But quickly discredit those who ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME. Why so defensive?

I mean... Isn't it possible that those of us who are ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAMES, might know what we are talking about?

I am familiar with the thread you are talking about, but I can't say how that other person had his setup. All I can say is that the COD2 that I play on my 360/HDTV looks great and definitely has AA.

 

[Wingznut]

Here's a pic I took of COD2, on my Sony 51" HDTV.

First thing you'll notice is that I suck at photography!
But the second thing you'll notice is that there is no obvious aliasing issues.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Here's a pic I took of COD2, on my Sony 51" HDTV.

First thing you'll notice is that I suck at photography!
But the second thing you'll notice is that there is no obvious aliasing issues.

Are you running that game at native resolution on your HDTV? If not, it's impossible to tell really, because it could be blurring them.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Here's a pic I took of COD2, on my Sony 51" HDTV.

First thing you'll notice is that I suck at photography!
But the second thing you'll notice is that there is no obvious aliasing issues.

That does look pretty nice...I wish there were some games to play though.

 

[datamage]

Because it's not out yet. All games look amazing before they are out, it's called marketing and you bought the hype.

I just had to reply to this ignorance. I'm guessing that your reading comprehension needs help -- Seeing how the Fight Night Demo is out now.

- D.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I picked up a 360 on launch day and sold it on ebay a week or two later.

None of the games I played were using V-Sync and most if not all were using no AF and 2x AA.

Until I see some true next gen games running at 1280x720 with 4x AA, AF, and V-Sync turned on, I'm not going near another 360.

Also, the 360 version of CoD doesn't come even close to the visual quality of my PC. Yeah, my PC may not run it at 60fps but is sure as hell looks a lot better with AA, AF, and V-sync.

Makes me wonder if you really did own a 360 or just Flaming? , If you did own one you should know COD2 certainly has Vsync enabled on 360s version ,also both PC & 360's version are the *SAME* graphicly with the exception of Anistropic filtering on PCs version..All I know is your claim of "doesnt even come close of the visual quality of my PC" is total BS. Or perhaps you wern't playing 360's version on an HDTV, Makes a big differance.

You're correct, CoD2 is one of the few games that has v-sync enabled. However, with 2x AA and no AF the game looks like crap IMO compared to it running on a PC with 4x AA and 8x AF. Also, 720p on a 42" HDTV doesn't look at good as 720p on a smaller PC screen. The image is just being blown up too much making jaggies and crappy textures stand out like a sore thumb.

And yes I did own a 360 and it was hooked up to an HDTV. Actually, I owned two. I purchased one to sell on ebay and the other for myself. I ended up selling both because I wasn't happy with the lack of AF, 4x AA, and V-sync. These a features that any hardcore PC gamer will tell you are a must. If you don't believe me I can post the links to my auctions.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Here's a pic I took of COD2, on my Sony 51" HDTV.

First thing you'll notice is that I suck at photography!
But the second thing you'll notice is that there is no obvious aliasing issues.

Are you running that game at native resolution on your HDTV? If not, it's impossible to tell really, because it could be blurring them.

Seriously, now you're just digging.

The game looks great. Period.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
However, with 2x AA and no AF the game looks like crap IMO compared to it running on a PC with 4x AA and 8x AF.

If you were to say that the PC version looks a bit better, I wouldn't have a problem with that. But to say it "looks like crap" is just an utter exagerration, at the least.

Read the reviews... Read Anand's thoughts... Nobody else is that extreme about it.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I picked up a 360 on launch day and sold it on ebay a week or two later.

None of the games I played were using V-Sync and most if not all were using no AF and 2x AA.

Until I see some true next gen games running at 1280x720 with 4x AA, AF, and V-Sync turned on, I'm not going near another 360.

Also, the 360 version of CoD doesn't come even close to the visual quality of my PC. Yeah, my PC may not run it at 60fps but is sure as hell looks a lot better with AA, AF, and V-sync.

Makes me wonder if you really did own a 360 or just Flaming? , If you did own one you should know COD2 certainly has Vsync enabled on 360s version ,also both PC & 360's version are the *SAME* graphicly with the exception of Anistropic filtering on PCs version..All I know is your claim of "doesnt even come close of the visual quality of my PC" is total BS. Or perhaps you wern't playing 360's version on an HDTV, Makes a big differance.

You're correct, CoD2 is one of the few games that has v-sync enabled. However, with 2x AA and no AF the game looks like crap IMO compared to it running on a PC with 4x AA and 8x AF. Also, 720p on a 42" HDTV doesn't look at good as 720p on a smaller PC screen. The image is just being blown up too much making jaggies and crappy textures stand out like a sore thumb.

And yes I did own a 360 and it was hooked up to an HDTV. Actually, I owned two. I purchased one to sell on ebay and the other for myself. I ended up selling both because I wasn't happy with the lack of AF, 4x AA, and V-sync. These a features that any hardcore PC gamer will tell you are a must. If you don't believe me I can post the links to my auctions.

Probably the worst excuse not to own a 360 but whatever floats your boat, Im very much into PC gaming (check sig) but I couldnt imagine being stuck with ONLY a PC for gaming which is why I own a Gamecube ,PS2, Xbox, Xbox360, N64, Dreamcast ..They all have there share of great games not available on PC, Also I dont know what games you were playing but the only Xbox360 game I own that has Vsync disabled is Perfect Dark, Vsync is enabled in the rest (King Kong / Condemned / PGR3 / Kameo / COD2).

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I picked up a 360 on launch day and sold it on ebay a week or two later.

None of the games I played were using V-Sync and most if not all were using no AF and 2x AA.

Until I see some true next gen games running at 1280x720 with 4x AA, AF, and V-Sync turned on, I'm not going near another 360.

Also, the 360 version of CoD doesn't come even close to the visual quality of my PC. Yeah, my PC may not run it at 60fps but is sure as hell looks a lot better with AA, AF, and V-sync.

Makes me wonder if you really did own a 360 or just Flaming? , If you did own one you should know COD2 certainly has Vsync enabled on 360s version ,also both PC & 360's version are the *SAME* graphicly with the exception of Anistropic filtering on PCs version..All I know is your claim of "doesnt even come close of the visual quality of my PC" is total BS. Or perhaps you wern't playing 360's version on an HDTV, Makes a big differance.

You're correct, CoD2 is one of the few games that has v-sync enabled. However, with 2x AA and no AF the game looks like crap IMO compared to it running on a PC with 4x AA and 8x AF. Also, 720p on a 42" HDTV doesn't look at good as 720p on a smaller PC screen. The image is just being blown up too much making jaggies and crappy textures stand out like a sore thumb.

And yes I did own a 360 and it was hooked up to an HDTV. Actually, I owned two. I purchased one to sell on ebay and the other for myself. I ended up selling both because I wasn't happy with the lack of AF, 4x AA, and V-sync. These a features that any hardcore PC gamer will tell you are a must. If you don't believe me I can post the links to my auctions.

Probably the worst excuse not to own a 360 but whatever floats your boat, Im very much into PC gaming (check sig) but I couldnt imagine being stuck with ONLY a PC for gaming which is why I own a Gamecube ,PS2, Xbox, Xbox360, N64, Dreamcast ..They all have there share of great games not available on PC, Also I dont know what games you were playing but the only Xbox360 game I own that has Vsync disabled is Perfect Dark, Vsync is enabled in the rest (King Kong / Condemned / PGR3 / Kameo / COD2).

I own/owned all the consoles as well. I was really excited about the 360 until I got it home. I'm sure some awesome games will actually use the power in about a year. However, right now the games aren't trully next gen IMO. I'm probably going to pick up another 360 in about a year.

You're wrong about Kameo having V-Sync enabled. I watched my kid beat that game and it's hard to see but there is tearing in Kameo. I noticed lots of it in that scene outside with the giant green orges or whatever they're called. Just move the camera left or right really quick and you'll see tearing. As for the others, I didn't play King Kong or PGR3. I didn't see any tearing in Condemned. I did see tearing in Madden and some other games I can't think of right now. I can't stand tearing and if no vsync is going to be the norm then I'm not going to touch the 360.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I picked up a 360 on launch day and sold it on ebay a week or two later.

None of the games I played were using V-Sync and most if not all were using no AF and 2x AA.

Until I see some true next gen games running at 1280x720 with 4x AA, AF, and V-Sync turned on, I'm not going near another 360.

Also, the 360 version of CoD doesn't come even close to the visual quality of my PC. Yeah, my PC may not run it at 60fps but is sure as hell looks a lot better with AA, AF, and V-sync.

Makes me wonder if you really did own a 360 or just Flaming? , If you did own one you should know COD2 certainly has Vsync enabled on 360s version ,also both PC & 360's version are the *SAME* graphicly with the exception of Anistropic filtering on PCs version..All I know is your claim of "doesnt even come close of the visual quality of my PC" is total BS. Or perhaps you wern't playing 360's version on an HDTV, Makes a big differance.

You're correct, CoD2 is one of the few games that has v-sync enabled. However, with 2x AA and no AF the game looks like crap IMO compared to it running on a PC with 4x AA and 8x AF. Also, 720p on a 42" HDTV doesn't look at good as 720p on a smaller PC screen. The image is just being blown up too much making jaggies and crappy textures stand out like a sore thumb.

And yes I did own a 360 and it was hooked up to an HDTV. Actually, I owned two. I purchased one to sell on ebay and the other for myself. I ended up selling both because I wasn't happy with the lack of AF, 4x AA, and V-sync. These a features that any hardcore PC gamer will tell you are a must. If you don't believe me I can post the links to my auctions.

Probably the worst excuse not to own a 360 but whatever floats your boat, Im very much into PC gaming (check sig) but I couldnt imagine being stuck with ONLY a PC for gaming which is why I own a Gamecube ,PS2, Xbox, Xbox360, N64, Dreamcast ..They all have there share of great games not available on PC, Also I dont know what games you were playing but the only Xbox360 game I own that has Vsync disabled is Perfect Dark, Vsync is enabled in the rest (King Kong / Condemned / PGR3 / Kameo / COD2).

I own/owned all the consoles as well. I was really excited about the 360 until I got it home. I'm sure some awesome games will actually use the power in about a year. However, right now the games aren't trully next gen IMO. I'm probably going to pick up another 360 in about a year.

You're wrong about Kameo having V-Sync enabled. I watched my kid beat that game and it's hard to see but there is tearing in Kameo. I noticed lots of it in that scene outside with the giant green orges or whatever they're called. Just move the camera left or right really quick and you'll see tearing. As for the others, I didn't play King Kong or PGR3. I didn't see any tearing in Condemned. I did see tearing in Madden and some other games I can't think of right now. I can't stand tearing and if no vsync is going to be the norm then I'm not going to touch the 360.

Hrmm well I recently finished Kameo (awesome game) and honestly didnt see a hint of screen tearing, Perfect Dark was another story.

I actualy run a lot of games without Vsync on my PC purposely to get maximum performance, Games like COD2 run terrible with Vsync enabled even on my X2 4800+ / 7800gtx 512mb , I just crank up the Refresh rate to combat the screen tearing effect (one of the many reasons Im still using a CRT monitor).

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: JHL2859
What settings on COD2 on a PC would compare to the image quality of the Xbox 360 running the same game? I personally think the Xbox 360 runs COD2 at 1280 x 720 2XAA Anisotropic with everything else maxed. However, does the Xbox 360 run the game with VSync turned on? I'm not sure, but I highly doubt it.

As for performance, what PC configuration do you think would match an Xbox 360 running COD2? I think Xbox 360 GPU = nVidia GeForce 7800 GTX 512.

What do you guys think?

I think Vsync has to be enabled on a TV because TVs don't have varying sync modes like a monitor. Triple buffering may not be enabled however, despite that triple buffering is a standard part of DX9.

Anyhow, from what I've seen, the texture quality on the xbox 360 looks to be turned one down to one level below the max on the PC version. Of course, still better than my PC can handle. With my 6600GT I play at 800x600 with 4x aa with settings medium to high at an often sub-optimal framerate.

 

[Wingznut]

Here's a pic of some guy running his 360 COD2 through a Sanyo PLV-Z4 running at 168" on his living room wall. That would be sweet!

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Here's a pic of some guy running his 360 COD2 through a Sanyo PLV-Z4 running at 168" on his living room wall. That would be sweet!

DAYUMM!!!

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Here's a pic of some guy running his 360 COD2 through a Sanyo PLV-Z4 running at 168" on his living room wall. That would be sweet!

DAYUMM!!!

hah wow ... That is actualy pretty nice.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

I doubt it. There was another thread that had screenshots and the Xbox version had no AA. The person even presented the PC version at the same res with no AA and 2xx AA and the no AA version matched the 360 screeshot.

You make a lot of assumptions based on what you've "heard" and "seen"... But quickly discredit those who ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME. Why so defensive?

I mean... Isn't it possible that those of us who are ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAMES, might know what we are talking about?

I am familiar with the thread you are talking about, but I can't say how that other person had his setup. All I can say is that the COD2 that I play on my 360/HDTV looks great and definitely has AA.

As he said, he is baseing his statment on both what he had heard and seen from someone who has actually plays the game. Namely, me.

CoD2 on the PC with no AA.

CoD2 on the PC with x2aa.

CoD2 on the 360.

Obviously, CoD2 on the 360 is solely lacking AA. Well if you turn the 360 down to 480p it has plenty of AA but it is obviously rendered at a lower resolution as well. But as far running at 720p or 1080i, yeah CoD2 on the 360 is missing AA.

Oh and yeah, the game does have vsync, though unfortuantly done with only double buffering.

 

[Jeff7181]

I thought 4XAA was mandatory on all Xbox 360 games. I thought it had a little dedicated piece of hardware to enable that on every game with zero performance impact. Everything I've read has said that, and I've yet to read anything that contradicts that. Anyone have any proof that 4XAA is not being used in any Xbox 360 games?

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Wingznut

I doubt it. There was another thread that had screenshots and the Xbox version had no AA. The person even presented the PC version at the same res with no AA and 2xx AA and the no AA version matched the 360 screeshot.

You make a lot of assumptions based on what you've "heard" and "seen"... But quickly discredit those who ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME. Why so defensive?

I mean... Isn't it possible that those of us who are ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAMES, might know what we are talking about?

I am familiar with the thread you are talking about, but I can't say how that other person had his setup. All I can say is that the COD2 that I play on my 360/HDTV looks great and definitely has AA.

As he said, he is baseing his statment on both what he had heard and seen from someone who has actually plays the game. Namely, me.

CoD2 on the PC with no AA.

CoD2 on the PC with x2aa.

CoD2 on the 360.

Obviously, CoD2 on the 360 is solely lacking AA. Well if you turn the 360 down to 480p it has plenty of AA but it is obviously rendered at a lower resolution as well. But as far running at 720p or 1080i, yeah CoD2 on the 360 is missing AA.

Oh and yeah, the game does have vsync, though unfortuantly done with only double buffering.

I stand corrected, After looking at those pics I had to load up COD2 and look for myself, 360s version is indeed lacking any AA in 720p & 1080i, When I made my comments earlier I was playing the game in 480P mode (which DOES have AA enabled), Why would I play in 480P? Because the framerate remains much smoother versus running it 720 / 1080i. It still looks pretty darn good in 480P especially with the help of AA.

480p Shot - I was zoomed up closer in the 480P shot but you can still note the AA being applied.

1080i Shot

 

[michal1980]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Wingznut

I doubt it. There was another thread that had screenshots and the Xbox version had no AA. The person even presented the PC version at the same res with no AA and 2xx AA and the no AA version matched the 360 screeshot.

You make a lot of assumptions based on what you've "heard" and "seen"... But quickly discredit those who ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME. Why so defensive?

I mean... Isn't it possible that those of us who are ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAMES, might know what we are talking about?

I am familiar with the thread you are talking about, but I can't say how that other person had his setup. All I can say is that the COD2 that I play on my 360/HDTV looks great and definitely has AA.

As he said, he is baseing his statment on both what he had heard and seen from someone who has actually plays the game. Namely, me.

CoD2 on the PC with no AA.

CoD2 on the PC with x2aa.

CoD2 on the 360.

Obviously, CoD2 on the 360 is solely lacking AA. Well if you turn the 360 down to 480p it has plenty of AA but it is obviously rendered at a lower resolution as well. But as far running at 720p or 1080i, yeah CoD2 on the 360 is missing AA.

Oh and yeah, the game does have vsync, though unfortuantly done with only double buffering.

I stand corrected, After looking at those pics I had to load up COD2 and look for myself, 360s version is indeed lacking any AA in 720p & 1080i, When I made my comments earlier I was playing the game in 480P mode (which DOES have AA enabled), Why would I play in 480P? Because the framerate remains much smoother versus running it 720 / 1080i. It still looks pretty darn good in 480P especially with the help of AA.

480p Shot - I was zoomed up closer in the 480P shot but you can still note the AA being applied.

1080i Shot

if your going to use your 360 at 480p, run ur pc games at 640x480 res and then see how smooth the run. phhf so not a fair compersion.

my pc rig ran cod2 for pc pretty maxed out with 4x with one or 2 slow downs, but nothing major, and i played fast and ran through the game. the 360 is nice but it was also overhyped.
The reason why people like the big screen/hdtv version is because until now there was no gaming system that could even up convert to that kind of resolution. all of a sudden your hd-tv is playing games without the fuz and stretch, wow its great.

pc games have been hi-res for years, yet now because its on a tv it look 'better'

the FREE 4X that was promised by the ati-360 was also a lie because its clear that some games at high res do not have any AA.
if its free why not use it?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I thought 4XAA was mandatory on all Xbox 360 games. I thought it had a little dedicated piece of hardware to enable that on every game with zero performance impact. Everything I've read has said that, and I've yet to read anything that contradicts that. Anyone have any proof that 4XAA is not being used in any Xbox 360 games?

Did you not see my pics?

And yeah, the hardware is designed to make AA basicly free. No hit for x2aa and about 5% for x4aa are the figures that MS gave out. The catch is that the game engine has to be built in a specific manor to make those figures jive, otherwise we wind up with games with no AA like CoD2. But I don't think CoD2 is really a good example of what can be accomplished on the 360, rather a crappy rushed port of a great PC game. Condemned on the other hand has great AA and respectable AF as well, it is a much better shocase of the graphics power of the system than CoD2.