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CALIFORNIA VOTE "NO" ON THE PROPOSITIONS ALL THE WAY DOWN.....

redgtxdi

redgtxdi

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Long story short.........

1A is a tax extension. It's hidden in language that makes one THINK that it's going to keep the bastards in Sacto from spending, but that's simply not true.

1B is a $9 BILLION (yes, with a B) bribe for the teachers to keep their mouths shut so Arnold can give away $9 Billion from his "Rainy Day Fund" (that was for the state, right?) :roll: to appease the teacher's union.

The rest can go to hell in a handbasket.

This state desperately needs to go bankrupt so that the courts can let ALL of these blood-thirsty unions know that we're not playing their game anymore. Game over!!

And if you care to do more than just vote, you can force action by donating to......... www.recalladams.org

🙂
 
These aren't about "unions running our state," even though the CTA is a big supporter of 1A & 1B.

HOWEVER, I agree...vote NO on ALL propositions.

Make the republicans pony up with increased taxes on the rich. 😛
 
God I hate California's constitution. Where do I sign up to vote 'no' on the entire proposition system? (oh, and where do I sign up to vote no on the 2/3rds budgetary/tax requirements?)
 
Yeah, we need to shut down the whole proposition process. This state is essentially ungovernable. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Voters vote for a lot of new spending and a lot of tax cuts for themselves, then they wonder why the state is bankrupt.
 
Wish California was more employer-friendly. The companies I've worked for based out of Washington state will put call and fulfillment centers in almost every state of the union EXCEPT California, because of the messed up tax junk and the unions. California has completely ripped the bottom out of their mid-level service industry. 🙁 You can be an IT professional in Silicon Valley or you can be a busboy in LA but there are so few job options in between.
 
get rid of baseline budgeting and the situation will improve. as it stands now, despite the massive tax revenue california collects, it will never be enough due to the smoke/mirrors budget gamers.
 
Originally posted by: IGBT
get rid of baseline budgeting and the situation will improve. as it stands now, despite the massive tax revenue california collects, it will never be enough due to the smoke/mirrors budget gamers.
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QFT!!!


Biggest problem w/ this next election is that the commercials are coming that are going to promote this list of propositions as the "saving grace" of California and that without them, teachers, firemen, policemen and....GASP.....children, will go starving acrossed the land!!

LIES!!!!

The way I explain it simply is this..........

Sacto doesn't want to work on the leak at the BOTTOM of the bucket, they want to simply put more into the TOP of the bucket and call it a "fix".

Fix the leaks, Arnold....fix the LEAKS!!!!!!!!

:|
 
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Just cut spending. Damn the illegals and poor people in this state.
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What percentage of California's budget is spent on illegals and poor people?
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Just cut spending. Damn the illegals and poor people in this state.
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What percentage of California's budget is spent on illegals and poor people?
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Poor people, I dont know. Illegal immigrants, last I heard, cost us around $9-10B/year.
Our budget includes "benefits" for illegal immigrants such as Medi-Cal and other medical coverage, welfare for the children of illegals who born in the state, prison costs (12% of our prison inmates are illegals), etc.

 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
God I hate California's constitution. Where do I sign up to vote 'no' on the entire proposition system? (oh, and where do I sign up to vote no on the 2/3rds budgetary/tax requirements?)
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Fix it, don't destroy it. The proposition system is there for a reason, to give the public the right to override the legislature. It was passed ss a progressive measure a century ago.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: eskimospy
God I hate California's constitution. Where do I sign up to vote 'no' on the entire proposition system? (oh, and where do I sign up to vote no on the 2/3rds budgetary/tax requirements?)
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Fix it, don't destroy it. The proposition system is there for a reason, to give the public the right to override the legislature. It was passed ss a progressive measure a century ago.
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And look where it has gotten us? Highest taxes on the west coast, welfare system that HAS NOT been reformed compared to the rest of the states, kowtowing to illegals at every corner. For example, I have a "not so successful" sis-in-law with 5 kids on welfare who's coming over from texas as she will collect almost twice as much in CA on "social support" services. Our policies invite more leechers than producers. That's why I can't wait for our POS budget to go bankrupt. BTW as a physician I'd love to see higher wages (as my previous posts have indicated), BUT it's kinda insane that this state is paying $275K per year for primary care docs in prisons to give the prisoners better health care than the rest of people. California : Leechers and Prisoners are welcome!

PS I wonder why CA is the only place for octomoms?
 
Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: eskimospy
God I hate California's constitution. Where do I sign up to vote 'no' on the entire proposition system? (oh, and where do I sign up to vote no on the 2/3rds budgetary/tax requirements?)
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Fix it, don't destroy it. The proposition system is there for a reason, to give the public the right to override the legislature. It was passed ss a progressive measure a century ago.
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And look where it has gotten us? Highest taxes on the west coast, welfare system that HAS NOT been reformed compared to the rest of the states, kowtowing to illegals at every corner. For example, I have a "not so successful" sis-in-law with 5 kids on welfare who's coming over from texas as she will collect almost twice as much in CA on "social support" services. Our policies invite more leechers than producers. That's why I can't wait for our POS budget to go bankrupt. BTW as a physician I'd love to see higher wages (as my previous posts have indicated), BUT it's kinda insane that this state is paying $275K per year for primary care docs in prisons to give the prisoners better health care than the rest of people. California : Leechers and Prisoners are welcome!

PS I wonder why CA is the only place for octomoms?
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Your nearly incoherent rant at its best approximates the argument "the public voted for a bad policy, so let's get rid of democracy."

I'm sorry, but I dojn't see any point in even discussing the finer points of the issue in response. There are problems with it - and it has an important role in democracy as well.

Frankly, I'm saying that out of principle, since most of the legal issues - especially prop 13 - seem to go the way I don't prefer.

Also frankly, you may have all kinds of rants against some policies, but you need to learn to deal with the fact that you don't get your way all the time. You might lose some votes.

Who's to say every rant you have is somehow caused by the proposition system, and that the system is so wrong that it's better to throw democracy away to get your policy in?

The system is in need of tuning because it's now so often used by 'special interests' to buy their way to the result they want and bypass a *good* legislature, but that's something to fix, not a reason to trash the system. As usual, we need to tighten up the role of money in the system.
 
Originally posted by: AFMatt
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Just cut spending. Damn the illegals and poor people in this state.
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What percentage of California's budget is spent on illegals and poor people?
Click to expand...

Poor people, I dont know. Illegal immigrants, last I heard, cost us around $9-10B/year.
Our budget includes "benefits" for illegal immigrants such as Medi-Cal and other medical coverage, welfare for the children of illegals who born in the state, prison costs (12% of our prison inmates are illegals), etc.
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Actually, I keep reading that upwards of 30% or more of our prison inmates are illegal immigrants...but actual ACCURATE numbers are difficult to get.





Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: eskimospy
God I hate California's constitution. Where do I sign up to vote 'no' on the entire proposition system? (oh, and where do I sign up to vote no on the 2/3rds budgetary/tax requirements?)
Click to expand...

Fix it, don't destroy it. The proposition system is there for a reason, to give the public the right to override the legislature. It was passed ss a progressive measure a century ago.
Click to expand...

And look where it has gotten us? Highest taxes on the west coast, welfare system that HAS NOT been reformed compared to the rest of the states, kowtowing to illegals at every corner. For example, I have a "not so successful" sis-in-law with 5 kids on welfare who's coming over from texas as she will collect almost twice as much in CA on "social support" services. Our policies invite more leechers than producers. That's why I can't wait for our POS budget to go bankrupt. BTW as a physician I'd love to see higher wages (as my previous posts have indicated), BUT it's kinda insane that this state is paying $275K per year for primary care docs in prisons to give the prisoners better health care than the rest of people. California : Leechers and Prisoners are welcome!

PS I wonder why CA is the only place for octomoms?
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Your nearly incoherent rant at its best approximates the argument "the public voted for a bad policy, so let's get rid of democracy."

I'm sorry, but I dojn't see any point in even discussing the finer points of the issue in response. There are problems with it - and it has an important role in democracy as well.

Frankly, I'm saying that out of principle, since most of the legal issues - especially prop 13 - seem to go the way I don't prefer.

Also frankly, you may have all kinds of rants against some policies, but you need to learn to deal with the fact that you don't get your way all the time. You might lose some votes.

Who's to say every rant you have is somehow caused by the proposition system, and that the system is so wrong that it's better to throw democracy away to get your policy in?

The system is in need of tuning because it's now so often used by 'special interests' to buy their way to the result they want and bypass a *good* legislature, but that's something to fix, not a reason to trash the system. As usual, we need to tighten up the role of money in the system.
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The proposition system DOES need serious reform.

The law should be re-written so that NO proposition can be passed unless it includes a solid means of funding any change, and ANY law that increases taxes or "fees" should require more that a simple majority.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
The law should be re-written so that NO proposition can be passed unless it includes a solid means of funding any change, and ANY law that increases taxes or "fees" should require more that a simple majority.
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I disagree with the latter. It's hard enough to get 50% to vote for increased taxes; our current super majority requirement is partly why we have such deficit problems.

As for the former, I don't know what you are demanding - tax increases? The spending measures I recall are pretty much all bond measures - the 'clear source of funding'.

I don't really see the problem with the initiative system on funding. The problem I see is the way that 'special interests' can fund bad legislation through the system.

You can buy a spot on the ballt for virtually any measure that's legal, no matter how bad it is by paying enough signature gatherers. Then you can fund one-sided ad campaigns.

There are all kinds of predatory measures the public can be snookered into voting for with pricy marketing, where there's little money to spend against them.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: BoomerD
The law should be re-written so that NO proposition can be passed unless it includes a solid means of funding any change, and ANY law that increases taxes or "fees" should require more that a simple majority.
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I disagree with the latter. It's hard enough to get 50% to vote for increased taxes; our current super majority requirement is partly why we have such deficit problems.

As for the former, I don't know what you are demanding - tax increases? The spending measures I recall are pretty much all bond measures - the 'clear source of funding'.

I don't really see the problem with the initiative system on funding. The problem I see is the way that 'special interests' can fund bad legislation through the system.

You can buy a spot on the ballt for virtually any measure that's legal, no matter how bad it is by paying enough signature gatherers. Then you can fund one-sided ad campaigns.

There are all kinds of predatory measures the public can be snookered into voting for with pricy marketing, where there's little money to spend against them.
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The problem is that MOST propositions either are passed into law without clear funding sources, OR they pass taxes on a minority of people. It's easy to vote for a tax increase when it's not gonna cost YOU anything.
Cigarette taxes are a prime example. the percentage of smokers has dropped a lot in the past 20 or so years, to about 15 percent of the population. That makes us an easy target for new taxes.
Want to fund an after school program? Increase cigarette taxes. There aren't enough of us to stop it...even with a super-majority requirement.

How about using alcohol as a source of funding for a change? Add $5 to the price of a 6-pack of beer, or $10 to a bottle of wine, or $20 to a fifth of hard liquor?

As bad as smoking is for people's health, booze creates more "social problems" that end up costing the people and the state huge sums of money.

People don't smoke a cigarette then go shoot people in a nicotine-fueled rage...😀
(but take those cigaretts away...and maybe!) 😛

How about a mileage tax on top of gas taxes?
If you commute, (like I used to...usually over 150 miles per day) then charge by the mile in a road-use tax.

Have the cops at your place more than once per year for reasons other than a crime committed against you? Pay a public-safety fee. $100, or $500 per visit.

BUT, let the rich buy airplanes and yachts out of state without having to pay taxes on them. That's only fair...:roll:

The Republicans need to bite the bullet and pass taxes that impact THEIR tax base instead of sticking to the "No new taxes" (on the rich) mantra.

 
Update on the situation........


Anthony Adams (one of the secret Republicans who lied on his "I will not vote for more taxes" pledge) was served his recall papers today at one of his relection campaign parties tonight in Glendora, Ca. (Hosted by the sackless G.A.S.) It's told he had a rather sick look on his face as he was served. Adams now has 7 days to answer for the charges but either way, his ass is pretty much grass.

http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/tag/anthony-adams/

Once he's gone, the other douche-bag traitors in the GOP should start to question why in the fSCK they are contributing over $1 million on a campaign to increase taxes to the constituents of California (props 1A thru F) while layoffs and furloughs abound in the state.

Others will be served recall papers in the coming weeks, though Adams is the first & primary target w/ funding so far in excess of $70K. (It'll take roughly $100K to fund the campaign to complete the recall process & every day somebody's coming on board "matching" contributions :thumbsup🙂

I contributed & highly recommend anyone else (you don't have to live in his district, state or even country) to contribute to forwarding the movement showing these guys that they work for us and if they pull stunts like this, they can be yanked.....period!!

http://www.recalladams.org
 
California steadily implodes.

I've never quite understood why one of the most beautiful states in this country is occupied by so many of its worst people, but I think it has something to do with its history of being little more than a 'get rich quick' destination. The perfect contrast to this IMO is to the 'mind your business' mentality of Oregonians, who as are descended not from 49'ers, but from pioneers who followed the Oregon trail to the very end to do nothing more than farm and otherwise earn a honest living through hard work.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
California steadily implodes.

I've never quite understood why one of the most beautiful states in this country is occupied by so many of its worst people, but I think it has something to do with its history of being little more than a 'get rich quick' destination. The perfect contrast to this IMO is to the 'mind your business' mentality of Oregonians, who as are descended not from 49'ers, but from pioneers who followed the Oregon trail to the very end to do nothing more than farm and otherwise earn a honest living through hard work.
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That get rich quick mentality now exists as a "tax everyone else besides me to pay for more benefits for myself." That's the reason were 20+ billion in the hole and getting worse.

 
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Anthony Adams (one of the secret Republicans who lied on his "I will not vote for more taxes" pledge) ...
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Just as with George H. W. Bush, it was an irresponsible pledge, and the Republicans as a group should be punished for ever suggesting it, much less taking it.

They get the luxury of not having their damaging policies implemented, while they sit back in the peanut gallery and pretend they offer any useful plans.

It makes for a fine little cult, feeing into the right-wing victim mentality as the state is just oh so bad, but they're hurting the state with their ridiculous obstructionism.

They've already removed the good governor Gray Davis, with their monied backers' nicely funded and misleading 'swift boat' campaign, and put Arnold Schwarzeggar in power.

You people in that cult are either obstructing - or if you actually get any power, passing terrible policies and no matter how far you drag the state down you continue to 'blame the liberals' for the problems you cause. It's those 'elitist' parents who think their perfectly healthy 10 year olds are too good to work a 40 hour week, eventually.

It's the radicals in your cult who prevent the Republicans from providing any useful opposition, any moderate positions that might actually find some legitimate improvements.

You sound like children, your policies are based on the logic of children, and you act like children with the 'screw the state, let it burn to pay for its sins in raising taxes' approach.

There's a reason you're in the small minority, and it's well deserved. Now we just need to move to simple majority rules so you can stop the obstructioniism.
 
Just thought I'd toss out another reason to get mad at the pimps in Sacto.......

Found this one FW finance forums:

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/917148/

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I just realized the California SDI withholding increased on my paystub and was trying to figure out why. I found the following information on google from the Larkin Group website. This wouldn't piss me off so much if a past coworker that was about to be fired slipped and "injured" his back while doing some work in another state. That guy was only 35 and with the right lawyer/doctor combo he is now retired..errrr.....disabled for life!

Anyway, did anyone else hear about this? From my paycheck it looks like the tax is based off the gross income and can't be reduced by 401k contributions/itemizing.



Rate Increased from .8% to 1.1%

The California Employment Development Department (EDD) announced that the 2009 SDI payroll tax on employee wages will be increased from its current .8% to 1.1.%. The wages on which the contribution is taken will also be increased from $86,698 to $90,669. These increases mean that SDI participants' cost for SDI coverage will increase by 37.5% to 43.8% over the 2008 cost. The maximum annual cost will increase from $693.58 to $997.36.

SDI provides disability and Paid Family Leave (PFL) benefits equal to 55% of the employee's base period earnings. In 2009, the maximum weekly benefit will go up from $917 to $959.

Unlike other states that mandate disability benefits, SDI is funded by the employee; there is no employer cost.

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Any time you think they can't FU any more, they slip in another. I hadn't even HEARD about this one but it certainly doesn't surprise me.


Remember......vote No, no, no, no, no and no on May 19!!!!!!
 
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