Don't be surprised. Jschmuck2 is a loser non-working actor who's real job is a public school teacher. Loser^2. Of course he will vote yes. He's part of the problem.
Jschmuck2
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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
I'm voting yes just because people like you want me to vote no
DEYTOOKAREJERBS!
That wouldn't surprise me because you appear to lack the brains to make a decision based on facts.
Me not smart. Me vote for gay marriage and gay marriage to big union. When can me marry raccoon or ficus? Me vote propositions hooray!
Jschmuck2
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Me on television. Me also being paid to be funny. Me making more money than you from residuals. You angry, short, Asian man who have no real life outlet for napoleon complex rage. You sad, sad person.
Besides, me not public school teacher. Me just have day job.
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Really?!? To me, that was a high point in California politics. I was proud to be a Californian then. Gray Davis was a do-nothing douchebag who's solution to the terrible power crisis was to lock the state into long term power deals at extortionistic prices. He had absolutely no business running a state.
The day he was impeached was the day that a liberal state looked at its liberal leader and said, "Dude, you're effing nuts. Politics be damned, you need to go." Finally, the populace put positional politics aside and did what was best for themselves. If only more liberal and conservative states realized that their partisan leadership is bad for them.
*Note: I have no opinion on Arnie. I voted 'Yes' on the impeachment question and left the replacement box blank. I didn't care who won, so long as Gray Davis was gone.
lol i'm short angry asian man? haha.
ok wannabe unemployed actor who gives tv execs head to be an extra and loves to take it up the ass by your west hollywood boyfriend. poor public school teacher loser to boot. can't make that shit up.
Jschmuck2
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Me only simple internet troll but me know homophobia when me sees it. Me think back to all your poorly worded retorts over time and me think you have limited grasp of English language and can't formulate even insults properly. Me feel bad for you. Maybe me buy you drink sometime to make you feel better? Me offering but you no accept. Why for?
If you write like talk, you sound no smarter than 6th grade child slinging own poo in playground. Take it from internet troll - he know poo when he see it. You sad mad. Sad angry man. Me guess? Daddy issues.
Besides, me never extra but me DO know capitalizing sentences. Me not idiot.
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: Harvey
I just got my sample ballot. I was going to review the measures, look up all the arguments and generally be a responsible citizen about it before I voted, but your bullshit about unions "running" our state was enough to convince me to vote for all of them.
Thanks for saving me the time. :beer: :thumbsup:
You're pathetic. Read the fucking ballot.
I already did. I was just yanking the OP's chain because anyone who starts trying to convince people with jingoistic, dogmatic crap like, "Let CA know we don't let unions, illegals and special interest groups run our state" can't possibly have thought out the issues.
But if you consider yourself a "conservative," you may want to think about why you'd oppose Prop. 1F:
I'll be re-reading the arguments and discussions before I vote. I won't be back to participate in this discussion. Too much hot air and not enough light. :light: :laugh:
Gray Davis did nothing illegal and did not deserve to be impeached. Arnold announced his candidacy on the Tonight show, and used his celebrity to mesmerize millions of simpletons.
Davis likely would have done a better job than the actor you fools voted in.
Arnold had never held public office, had never served the public. He promised the end of special interest money in politics, then proceeded to take even more money from special interests.
Arnold's propositions were anti-teacher and a power grab for the governor. Had he targeted only the overpaid prison guards and police, his proposition could have passed.
Instead he targeted the teachers, who are underpaid and have a huge amount of support in the community.
California's problems stem from incompetent Republican governors and the ability of a small number of right-wingers to hold the budget process hostage. Another factor is the broken initiative process, that lets out of state money influence our politics.
I haven't decided how I will vote on the propositions, but tend to vote against all proposistions.
Oops... I lied. Had to return to add that, when Arnold ran, he said he didn't have to take money from special interests because he was already independently wealthy. Then, in his first year in office, he took in more money from special interests than Gray Davis did during his entire time in office.
Arnold's performance in office has been a mixed bag, but his original premise of recalling Davis because of special interest money was pure self-serving, hypocritical bullshit.
Gray Davis was the biggest tool known to man. Thankfully he is just a skid-mark on the underwear of American politics at this point. :thumbsup:
Gray Davis was a good man, unprepared for the ferocity of the right-wing smear machine.
Some day you will wish he were still in office.
YOU are one of the biggest tools on this forum.:thumbsup:
Sorry, I like the fact that illegals dont have drivers licenses, and that Arnie repealed the outrageous rise in VLFs.
The prison guards union had Gray bent over with rubber ball in his mouth.
He was the epitomy of a slimeball politician. Even a liberal state such as CA saw that.
No need to debate it, its all in the books now.
As far as the personal attack from a NorCal lefty, ill take that as a compliment.
Illegals had drivers licenses for years . Then they could register their cars and buy insurance. Denying them licenses just forces them to drive illegaly, without insurance.
Great job.
Oh, and Arnold's agreement with the legislature INCREASES the VLF. Lowering the VLF blew a huge hole in the budget he could never paper over.
The prison guard's union-still has Arnold bent over.
Gray Davis was not a charismatic person, this made him susceptible to the smears of the right wing attack dogs. Fools were mesmerized by the Terminator, much as people bought GWB bullshit that he was a uniter, not a divider. What is Arnolds approval number now?
Arnold claimed he was above partisan politics, he was for the people, and then takes more special interest money than Gray Davis. He will go down as a bigger failure than Davis.
Here's another compliment: You're still a tool.
I'm a physician and my wife is an orthodontist. I'm a CA native and product of the public school system and she's imported from WA (well Taiwan before that). The amount we collectively paid in taxes last year is probably greater than the reported incomes of 80% of our patients (we're still under 200k combined).
I work in a hospital that has been the hardest hit by MLK's closure (a nice 220 Million dollar revenue scam from state welfare pushed onto the private sector). Consequently 74.3% of my patients I've seen over the last 3 years are uninsured (MediCal is counted as uninsured since I have received payment from them for 3 years now - they deny every claim).
I loved my public HS experience and for the most part the teachers that taught me. I respect cops and did police ride alongs for 2 years (yeah I was a nerd/poster-child for good behavior).
My company is a 2 man operation (I employ my sister to do clerical work and I see patients). My wife has 8 employees under her own office.
My take is that the state has lost perspective on where the middle class is. When they want to cater to business they advertise that they're making cuts to keep the film industry here in SoCal. Yet the state has provided proper oversight of utilities that help business operating costs down. They have not offered tax cuts to businesses. My wife puts braces on people and fixes their teeth. Yeah some bogus cosmetic stuff for some people but for other health improvement. Either way there is a tangible effect. She would hire more people but payroll/SDI/UI are all going up. At a time when she is able to hussle and work harder to grow more business she has to cut back simply because operating costs are too high (as it is she's losing $ at her own office and making it up by doing per-diem).
Having signed disability forms for patients and medical applications I can tell you there is so much fraud in the system. I have had people who have Mercedes and Lexus cars apply for IHSS (In Home Supportive Services). I have had a self-proclaimed pimp ask me to fill out a disability form saying his left hand was infured in a fight in prison. I have a stack of about 40 requests for disability for back-related "injuries" - I'm just keeping them in case Feinstein ever reads my letters and wants to review the patient's charts.
There will come a point where those who are willing to pay will eventually leave or refuse to pay for those who can't or refuse. The rich movie stars and atheletes will stay here so they can get their pilates and sushi pizza. The unemployed bums will stay here as long as the movie stars stay. The middle class are the ones who are getting feed up. By middle class I mean the person who hates getting up at 4-8 AM and dealing with traffic. The ones who actually look at the sale prices at the supermarket flyer and plan that weeks dinners based on what's on sale. The ones who faithfully pay their taxes but wish they would seem some tangible benefit from it. The ones who will save $ for their kids education but will donate their own play $ to the Red Cross in times of emergency.
I have always been a cheap bastard (part of the reason I joined AT was for the Hot Deals Forum back in the day) and I have already made a personal decision to not spend on any goods here in CA until the tax rate returns back to the 8 percentile here in LA county (thank you Amazon and lack of tax on grocery store food item). Other people may pass judgement on my behavior - but unless you're willing to be in a job where you only get paid for 3/4 of your work you have no leg to stand on.
I do not care which party is in office or rather what agenda they support (other than the far left/right wackos I think most people agree on the middle ground items). My concern is that my tax money is not being spent wisely. I think my parents could run certain departments more efficiently than the wasted carbon sitting in Sacramento. I am happy to see my patients (even the broke ones) leave the hospital better off then when they came in and that's what keeps me going, but it just takes one 33 year-old complaining of intractable back pain asking for Dilaudid to piss me off (the nurse was surprised to see him get into his Mazda MIATA when leaving the hospital - I wasn't).
I plan on voting NO across the board (I might wabble on 1F - common sense vs spite against that fecal sac Able).
I work in a hospital that has been the hardest hit by MLK's closure (a nice 220 Million dollar revenue scam from state welfare pushed onto the private sector). Consequently 74.3% of my patients I've seen over the last 3 years are uninsured (MediCal is counted as uninsured since I have received payment from them for 3 years now - they deny every claim).
I loved my public HS experience and for the most part the teachers that taught me. I respect cops and did police ride alongs for 2 years (yeah I was a nerd/poster-child for good behavior).
My company is a 2 man operation (I employ my sister to do clerical work and I see patients). My wife has 8 employees under her own office.
My take is that the state has lost perspective on where the middle class is. When they want to cater to business they advertise that they're making cuts to keep the film industry here in SoCal. Yet the state has provided proper oversight of utilities that help business operating costs down. They have not offered tax cuts to businesses. My wife puts braces on people and fixes their teeth. Yeah some bogus cosmetic stuff for some people but for other health improvement. Either way there is a tangible effect. She would hire more people but payroll/SDI/UI are all going up. At a time when she is able to hussle and work harder to grow more business she has to cut back simply because operating costs are too high (as it is she's losing $ at her own office and making it up by doing per-diem).
Having signed disability forms for patients and medical applications I can tell you there is so much fraud in the system. I have had people who have Mercedes and Lexus cars apply for IHSS (In Home Supportive Services). I have had a self-proclaimed pimp ask me to fill out a disability form saying his left hand was infured in a fight in prison. I have a stack of about 40 requests for disability for back-related "injuries" - I'm just keeping them in case Feinstein ever reads my letters and wants to review the patient's charts.
There will come a point where those who are willing to pay will eventually leave or refuse to pay for those who can't or refuse. The rich movie stars and atheletes will stay here so they can get their pilates and sushi pizza. The unemployed bums will stay here as long as the movie stars stay. The middle class are the ones who are getting feed up. By middle class I mean the person who hates getting up at 4-8 AM and dealing with traffic. The ones who actually look at the sale prices at the supermarket flyer and plan that weeks dinners based on what's on sale. The ones who faithfully pay their taxes but wish they would seem some tangible benefit from it. The ones who will save $ for their kids education but will donate their own play $ to the Red Cross in times of emergency.
I have always been a cheap bastard (part of the reason I joined AT was for the Hot Deals Forum back in the day) and I have already made a personal decision to not spend on any goods here in CA until the tax rate returns back to the 8 percentile here in LA county (thank you Amazon and lack of tax on grocery store food item). Other people may pass judgement on my behavior - but unless you're willing to be in a job where you only get paid for 3/4 of your work you have no leg to stand on.
I do not care which party is in office or rather what agenda they support (other than the far left/right wackos I think most people agree on the middle ground items). My concern is that my tax money is not being spent wisely. I think my parents could run certain departments more efficiently than the wasted carbon sitting in Sacramento. I am happy to see my patients (even the broke ones) leave the hospital better off then when they came in and that's what keeps me going, but it just takes one 33 year-old complaining of intractable back pain asking for Dilaudid to piss me off (the nurse was surprised to see him get into his Mazda MIATA when leaving the hospital - I wasn't).
I plan on voting NO across the board (I might wabble on 1F - common sense vs spite against that fecal sac Able).
Then you did not help yourself by incenting Davis to aprove them, by the Republican movement to recall him.
Before the recall movement, David vetoed the licenses until more security safeguards were added. Facing recall, he signed it.
Soyou point to Schwarzeneggar as an imprvment for what you want - he had about the same position as Davis had previously had:
On the issue itself:
That's a dishonest summary of the issue. During the dot com boom, the fees were temporarilit suspended. After the dot com crash, facing a budget deficit, Davis simply ended the fee suspension, returning it to its normal level. Turns out that Arnold's 'deficit crisis' would have been exactly balanced by th efee Davis reinstated. He was right.
That's a legitimate issue but minor in the larger picture, and not specific to Davis.
Must be why he did not have a lot of money, had devoted himself to public service, and even Arnold who had every political reason to shun him instead was publically seen to get help from Davis on learning how to be governor, and praised him for that help. But don't let the truthget in the way of your dishonest ideology, not that you need me to say that to do it.
Yes it is in the books, safe from you learning any of it.
Davis did a lot for the state and was a hell of a lot better than Arnold. Unfortunateoy, he didn't get that out all that well, and certainly lacked Arnold's movie star appeal.
For just one issue, though, he refused to sign the sweetheart deal with Enron to let them off the hook, while Arnold was a friend of Enron and screwed California by signing it.
Perhaps the bigggest attack against Davis was the attack that Davis took 'special interest money', while Arnold said he was rich and promised not to take any - ony to then define right-wing special interests as not being special interests, and took more donations than Davis had.
Reminds me o how Republicans made a *huge* issue out of Clinton 'renting out the Lincoln bedroom' by letting donors sleep in it - but you did not hear a word about Bush continuing the same thing, as he allowed his big campaign donors to sleep there the same way Clinton had
The state would have been far better off with Davis overall, though he was not flawless by any means. What the Rpeublicans had been unable to win in the election, they took with dishonest attacks, and just as at the federal level, got the people to vote for deficit politics, spend now pay later.
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Friendly reminder............
Oh, BTW, Arnold today did a couple interesting things.........
#1.) Either his props pass, or you DIAF!! That's nice, eh?
#2.) He also basically absolved the SEIU local 1000 (a 95,000 member union) of any layoffs while threatening every member of California today with cutting firefighters instead!!
He prefaced his comments today regarding firefighters cuts by saying he "isn't into scare tactics of these sorts of things" (hey asshole, if you have to preface your comments with that sh!t, you're doing it already!) and proceeded to barf his bias bullsh!t to the California taxpayers.
Can't cut even 10% of the SEIU, but moreover guarantee them their jobs (cubicle droids) whilst threatening firefighters???
I don't have words for this asshole anymore. :|
Arrogant, narcissistic, meglomaniacal, prick, dickwad, piece of elephant sh!t just doesn't do him justice anymore.
Oh, BTW, Arnold today did a couple interesting things.........
#1.) Either his props pass, or you DIAF!! That's nice, eh?
#2.) He also basically absolved the SEIU local 1000 (a 95,000 member union) of any layoffs while threatening every member of California today with cutting firefighters instead!!
He prefaced his comments today regarding firefighters cuts by saying he "isn't into scare tactics of these sorts of things" (hey asshole, if you have to preface your comments with that sh!t, you're doing it already!) and proceeded to barf his bias bullsh!t to the California taxpayers.
Can't cut even 10% of the SEIU, but moreover guarantee them their jobs (cubicle droids) whilst threatening firefighters???
I don't have words for this asshole anymore. :|
Arrogant, narcissistic, meglomaniacal, prick, dickwad, piece of elephant sh!t just doesn't do him justice anymore.
BoomerD
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Ah-Nold Schwartzenactor is playing a terrible part as Governator.
In his first year he took more special interest money than Gray Davis did during his entire government service.
Davis, while not particularly charismatic or forceful, was a good man, a decent governor, (far from great, but decent) but his big downfall was the Enron rolling blackouts...caused by the deregulation of the Kahleeforneeya energy markets...shoved up our asses by Pete Wilson and his cronies at SDG&E, PG&E, and the other big power brokers.
Anyone else remember the lies they told to get deregulation passed?
"You'll be able to buy power from any source you want; nuclear, green, wind, hydro, any source you want, then just pay a tiny wheeling charge."
However, once people started trying to abandon their conventional electric providers enmasse, they went crying to Wilson and the legislature and got that provision overturned..."Ha-ha...only kidding. We want to be able to buy power from out of state cheaply then charge the hell out of you for it."
Funny enough...things didn't quite work out the way the energy companies had planned...instead, the outside energy costs to Kahleeforneeya went sky-high...and they were still restricted (slightly) in how much they could charge the consumer.
So...Gray Davis entered the fray and TRIED to negotiate cheaper power for the state...and got bent over the table by the good folks at Enron.
In his first year he took more special interest money than Gray Davis did during his entire government service.
Davis, while not particularly charismatic or forceful, was a good man, a decent governor, (far from great, but decent) but his big downfall was the Enron rolling blackouts...caused by the deregulation of the Kahleeforneeya energy markets...shoved up our asses by Pete Wilson and his cronies at SDG&E, PG&E, and the other big power brokers.
Anyone else remember the lies they told to get deregulation passed?
"You'll be able to buy power from any source you want; nuclear, green, wind, hydro, any source you want, then just pay a tiny wheeling charge."
However, once people started trying to abandon their conventional electric providers enmasse, they went crying to Wilson and the legislature and got that provision overturned..."Ha-ha...only kidding. We want to be able to buy power from out of state cheaply then charge the hell out of you for it."
Funny enough...things didn't quite work out the way the energy companies had planned...instead, the outside energy costs to Kahleeforneeya went sky-high...and they were still restricted (slightly) in how much they could charge the consumer.
So...Gray Davis entered the fray and TRIED to negotiate cheaper power for the state...and got bent over the table by the good folks at Enron.
JeepinEd
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Not good, but this is what is killing California.
Text
had no idea that being a policeman or fire fighter was so lucrative. It is unsurprising that Vallejo went bankrupt, seeing that 80% of its budget in 2007 was for police and fire.
1. Before that, in 1999, state lawmakers had adopted a measure called "3% at 50" that allowed local and state police officers and firefighters to retire at 50 years of age with 3% of their highest annual salary -- multiplied by the number of years served. The legislation granted thousands of public-safety workers a retirement payout of 90% of their former salaries for life. The benefit, bolstered by post-9/11 recruiting, swiftly became a major staple for most California cities.
2. Those full-natured benefits created a bidding war among Northern California cities, and Vallejo negotiated lucrative wage increases with police and firefighter unions to stay competitive. Three years ago, the city agreed to a 20% pay increase between 2007 and 2009; an average police officer now makes $121,000. When benefits are included, the number rises to more than $190,000. By 2007, 80% of Vallejo's budget was dedicated to police and firefighters.
Read more: "Police and Firefighter Salaries in California - eu-jin's posterous" - http://eujin.posterous.com/pol...alarie#ixzz0Eli4PjSY&A
JeepinEd
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I'm sure these two examples are just a drop in the bucket, but they exemplify the amount of waste that is endemic to this state.
This is why when Gov. Arnold and the legislature say we can't cut any more and need to raise taxes, people say bullshit.
I won't even go into the special board appointments. Useless jobs and positions that sometimes pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per year for working one day per week, if that.
This is why when Gov. Arnold and the legislature say we can't cut any more and need to raise taxes, people say bullshit.
I won't even go into the special board appointments. Useless jobs and positions that sometimes pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per year for working one day per week, if that.
I know nurses that can retire now and rake in 80%+ of their annual salary. Their salaries aren't bad either. Comparable to engineers. GG BUDGET.
BTW, police salaries aren't surprising. They advertise on the back of busses that in Oakland you start at 69k (WTF my starting salary as engineer was lower), and that in SF you can start around 72k. I know in Milpitas it's closer to 80k. Not surprising that your average salary lies around 120k. Vallejo is just dumb because it's a crap community and their property values are crap when compared to the rest of the bay. Who knows why they pay so much.
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Pop the champagne!!!
I'm gonna put this election in the refrigerator.
The eggs are coolin'.
The butter's gettin' hard.
The jello's jigglin'.
And where's Arnold????
That less than worthless POS is w/ his new BFF President zero talkin' instead of sitting here in Cali takin' his medicine!
I'm gonna put this election in the refrigerator.
The eggs are coolin'.
The butter's gettin' hard.
The jello's jigglin'.
And where's Arnold????
That less than worthless POS is w/ his new BFF President zero talkin' instead of sitting here in Cali takin' his medicine!
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