California sets limits on energy-gulping TVs

[Deeko]

Sounds like envy to me. Today the sun is shining, it's warm, I live 3 blocks from the beach, and the wind is blowing through the palm trees. In November. I can ride my bike wherever I need to go, there are gorgeous women everywhere, and I'm within walking distance of an amazing wine bar that has a happy hour 7 days a week.

California is an amazing place.

I bet you could say the same things about some shitty places in Mexico, that doesn't mean I want to live there. Nice weather != nice place. I recently turned down a job offer in California, if I really wanted it, I'd live there. I don't.

 

[bfdd]

Sounds like envy to me. Today the sun is shining, it's warm, I live 3 blocks from the beach, and the wind is blowing through the palm trees. In November. I can ride my bike wherever I need to go, there are gorgeous women everywhere, and I'm within walking distance of an amazing wine bar that has a happy hour 7 days a week.

California is an amazing place.

agreed we do live in the greatest state in the nation, i just wish our politicians would stop trying to fucking ruin everything.

 

[exdeath]

Sounds like envy to me. Today the sun is shining, it's warm, I live 3 blocks from the beach, and the wind is blowing through the palm trees. In November. I can ride my bike wherever I need to go, there are gorgeous women everywhere, and I'm within walking distance of an amazing wine bar that has a happy hour 7 days a week.

California is an amazing place.

I can do all the things you do except for the beach (oh wank wank). It's almost December and it's still 80-90 deg out. Additionally, I can modify my car as I see fit and not have to get it smog or CARB approved or any of that BS, I just have to get a basic emissions check every 2 years to make sure I'm being reasonable and not blatantly pumping soot and raw fuel and carcinogens out my exhaust. CO2 and H2O and N2 aren't considered "pollutants" here. I can own whatever kind of flat screen I can afford and use as much electricity or gas as I am willing to pay for. And not only can I *buy* an AR-15 with 30 rd magazines in less than 5 mins, I can carry it around with me in public (not that I would but technically it's not illegal in this open carry state). And you know the flooding, mudslides, and fires, none of that here. I also think your stop lights at your on ramps are pretty hilarious.

I could list 100s more things that I can probably do that you cannot do without being harassed, if at all. Screw the beach.

Willing to forgo liberty without question because you can look at gorgeous women that wouldn't give you the time of day? How old are you, 15?

And get this... I can still visit the beach whenever I want, and still come home to things you can't.

Hows the saying go: It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

 

[marincounty]

Why are you talking about guns? I thought the issue was tvs? What state do you live in that doesn't have flooding, fires or mudslides? Sounds great-but I don't believe it.

 

[xj0hnx]

Media bias is a myth.

An example of how to lose all credibility with just five small words.

 

[sandorski]

Why are you talking about guns? I thought the issue was tvs? What state do you live in that doesn't have flooding, fires or mudslides? Sounds great-but I don't believe it.

Someone needs to read their Constitution!

"A well regulated Media, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Boobtubes, shall not be infringed"

 

[MotF Bane]

Someone needs to read their Constitution!

"A well regulated Media, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Boobtubes, shall not be infringed"

Boobs?

 

[sandorski]

Boobs?

The FF liked them too. Clearly the nation was founded on Pro-Porn principles, hence the Internet.

 

[fskimospy]

An example of how to lose all credibility with just five small words.

I'm sorry to say that peer reviewed scientific research into the subject contradicts your personal opinion, unfortunately for you reality does not depend on what your opinion is.

 

[fskimospy]

I can do all the things you do except for the beach (oh wank wank). It's almost December and it's still 80-90 deg out. Additionally, I can modify my car as I see fit and not have to get it smog or CARB approved or any of that BS, I just have to get a basic emissions check every 2 years to make sure I'm being reasonable and not blatantly pumping soot and raw fuel and carcinogens out my exhaust. CO2 and H2O and N2 aren't considered "pollutants" here. I can own whatever kind of flat screen I can afford and use as much electricity or gas as I am willing to pay for. And not only can I *buy* an AR-15 with 30 rd magazines in less than 5 mins, I can carry it around with me in public (not that I would but technically it's not illegal in this open carry state). And you know the flooding, mudslides, and fires, none of that here. I also think your stop lights at your on ramps are pretty hilarious.

I could list 100s more things that I can probably do that you cannot do without being harassed, if at all. Screw the beach.

Willing to forgo liberty without question because you can look at gorgeous women that wouldn't give you the time of day? How old are you, 15?

And get this... I can still visit the beach whenever I want, and still come home to things you can't.

Hows the saying go: It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

Do you realize how incredibly ridiculous every single thing you mentioned was? Man oh man I've been itching to modify my car to raise emissions and tote my AR-15 around (w/ 30 round magazine), but who can find the time these days? Who can't use as much electricity and gas as they want? And oh god the horror, SLIGHT INCONVENIENCES AT FREEWAY ONRAMPS! This list is incredibly pathetic.

I'm also not sure why you have so much trouble having pretty girls give you the time of day, but I most certainly don't. I'm definitely not 15, but trying to talk trash about someone's ability to pick up women makes me wonder if you are. (oh and yes, being surrounded by some of the most beautiful women in the country really does make every day better)

I don't really know or care where you live, but I guarantee you mother nature gives you much more trouble there than she does to me here. In fact I'm not sure if there are many places on earth with a more regular and pleasant weather/environment than San Diego. California is simply an amazing place to live. Enjoy your assault rifle!

 

[Deeko]

Well that's childish. You insult the things HE wants to do, while laughing off him saying he doesn't care about the things YOU want.

Very few people are forced to live where they do. Whereever he lives, I'm sure he prefers it to California.

By the way - I can't remember the last time a 4 hour drive into my state was increased to a 7 hour drive because some regulators needed to ask me - and every other car entering - if I was carrying any fruit.

 

[werepossum]

I think you missed some details, but it's neither of the first stated scenarios here. I doubt this will save California any energy whatsoever, or even if it does, only a statistically irrelevant amount. The reason is that the sets are already plummeting in energy consumption compared to models from just a couple of years ago.

If you go over to the A/V/Home Theatre section, you'll see that there is no connection between energy guzzling TVs and 'cheaper'. The only reasons for TVs to suck huge amounts of energy is the technology they run on. It goes like this :

Old Plasmas > Old LCDs > New Plasmas > Standard LCDs> Edge-Lit LED LCDS > Dynamic Lit LED LCDS > OLED

Basically every TV being currently produced meets these standards already. The ones that don't are probably either already on the way out or are large enough / small production enough to qualify for exemption. That subsection of this market is probably less than 2% of TVs sold in CA, perhaps less.

So yes, this is 'feel-good' or 'get-angry' legislation with no substance whatsoever. It placates one side of idiots while angering the other side of idiots.

I wish a standardized 21st century reactor design could be settled upon, so that they could be rapidly put in place around the nation. I would wholeheartedly support a responsible federal leadership on the issue, even if it meant a significant initial expense. It would create jobs, and it would strengthen our national security if it was combined with some substantial grid upgrades. Depending on crumbling infrastructure and extremely archaic/inefficient power production technology is pretty sad.

Agreed, with TVA every reactor plant uses completely different controls, so moving from one to another requires retraining. We had a reactor finished in Tennessee a few years back and it was twenty years behind schedule, basically obsolete controls when it began producing electricity.

 

[fskimospy]

Well that's childish. You insult the things HE wants to do, while laughing off him saying he doesn't care about the things YOU want.

Very few people are forced to live where they do. Whereever he lives, I'm sure he prefers it to California.

By the way - I can't remember the last time a 4 hour drive into my state was increased to a 7 hour drive because some regulators needed to ask me - and every other car entering - if I was carrying any fruit.

I can't remember the last time a 4 hour drive into my state was increased to a 7 hour one because some regulators needed to ask me if I was carrying any fruit either, and I do lots of traveling by car in and out of California. (okay, usually on the way to Vegas. Wheee!)

And yes, I will definitely laugh at someone who brags about their ability to walk around with an assault rifle on their shoulder. If that's your idea of a good time, you need to get out more.

 

[fskimospy]

I bet you could say the same things about some shitty places in Mexico, that doesn't mean I want to live there. Nice weather != nice place. I recently turned down a job offer in California, if I really wanted it, I'd live there. I don't.

Oh don't worry though, it's a nice place that also has nice weather. There's a reason the property values in the urban coastal areas are so high even after the housing crash, and it's because there is extreme demand to live here.

I'm sorry to hear you're going to miss out, but enjoy wherever it is you are!

 

[xj0hnx]

And yes, I will definitely laugh at someone who brags about their ability to walk around with an assault rifle on their shoulder. If that's your idea of a good time, you need to get out more.

The point he was making is that he could give a shit less about Kommiefonia, and that anything you can do in your little slice of heaven he can do in his, as I can in mine, in other words, no one is "envious" that live in that shithole.

 

[Modelworks]

For those wondering where they predict North America will get its power and whether we have enough, and we do , despite what Al Gore would have you believe.
It looks like wind is where the money will be spent everything else looks to remain about the same.

If you really want to know what is up with power in North America then read the report from the NERC. Itisn't some political report, its from the people that talk directly with the plants. Covers each area and what they are doing , should be doing and if there are any future issues.
http://www.nerc.com/files/2009_LTRA.pdf

 

[Double Trouble]

This thread is very telling about what we find important in America. People can't decide. On one hand they say the legislation won't do anything, and then on the other hand they say that we are being subject to the tyranny of the 'libruls'. (this is of course while ignoring people showing them how it won't alter their purchases much at all). Nice to see we make our stand on liberty and justice around our TV sets.

First they came for the plasma TV's and I said nothing...

You do understand that there is a difference between objecting to something as a matter of principle rather than as a result of the direct impact, yes? The bill itself won't have a significant impact on the consumers outside california, but the principle shows the contempt liberals seem to have for the public making their own choices in life.