California raises min wage for major chain fast food workers to $20 per hour starting early 2024

[NWRMidnight]

Too salty and I hate waiting in line for them

That's why they give you nuts, as you wait for the meat.

 

[Zorba]

Could we see AI take over unskilled labor at a much faster clip?

Been hearing that we can't pay fast food workers a decent wage or they'll be replaced with automation for 20 years. The difference in ROI in automating away $15/hr and $20/hr is marginal, either way they will be automated away when the technology exists.

 

[Zorba]

AI and automation will absolutely crush the modern labor force. Been nice knowing ya’ll

History has shown, the more efficient an economy the better the job market. Think of what the stream engine did to labor.

 

[ch33zw1z]

History has shown, the more efficient an economy the better the job market. Think of what the stream engine did to labor.

Just to make sure I’m understanding you correctly, could you expand on this and how it compares to todays market

 

[Zorba]

Just to make sure I’m understanding you correctly, could you expand on this and how it compares to todays market

Here you go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

Computers definitely didn't destroy the job market, even though they eliminated a ton of individual jobs.

 

[ivwshane]

Just to make sure I’m understanding you correctly, could you expand on this and how it compares to todays market

Think of the job market like a CPI for employment, when an industry no longer becomes profitable businesses will seek to find other opportunities just as workers will look for other careers if theirs becomes no longer economical.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Think of the job market like a CPI for employment, when an industry no longer becomes profitable businesses will seek to find other opportunities just as workers will look for other careers if theirs becomes no longer economical.

I get that, and I’ll read the link provided (looks interesting). In our future though, is this really what’s expected when continued automation displaces workers in the U.S., and AI begins to threaten all classes of workers, from truck drivers to doctors.

Edit: I like to phrase like: when there’s no weights left for me to pull, how do I pull my own weight?

 

[JEDI]

no waiting

lol

 

[uclaLabrat]

Think of the job market like a CPI for employment, when an industry no longer becomes profitable businesses will seek to find other opportunities just as workers will look for other careers if theirs becomes no longer economical.

Exactly, labor was unshackled with the advent of the agricultural revolution and then the industrial revolution.

We didnt require 80% of labor output for growing food so it switched to production. Then we didnt need all that labor in factories so it switched elsewhere once again.

 

[hal2kilo]

Here you go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

Computers definitely didn't destroy the job market, even though they eliminated a ton of individual jobs.

Remember when they said it would reduce the amount of paper generated. Ha, ha,.....

 

[ivwshane]

I get that, and I’ll read the link provided (looks interesting). In our future though, is this really what’s expected when continued automation displaces workers in the U.S., and AI begins to threaten all classes of workers, from truck drivers to doctors.

Edit: I like to phrase like: when there’s no weights left for me to pull, how do I pull my own weight?

We should all be hoping for complete automation and AI to do every job so that we can live to enjoy life instead of living to work.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We should all be hoping for complete automation and AI to do every job so that we can live to enjoy life instead of living to work.

I agree, but I’m not confident we will get there.

I certainly wouldn’t mind focusing on working out, yard work, hobbies, community work, stuff like that

 

[JEDI]

We should all be hoping for complete automation and AI to do every job so that we can live to enjoy life instead of living to work.

Hmm..


Blue is the new red

 

[nickqt]

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I certainly wouldn’t mind focusing on working out, yard work, hobbies, community work, stuff like that

You'll get to do all of those things, but it won't be as a hobby.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You'll get to do all of those things, but it won't be as a hobby.

Right

 

[ch33zw1z]

Hmm..
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Blue is the new red

No, time for self maintenance is what is required. Much of our health problems in the US are due to lifestyle. And funny enough, that was the same problem in wall-e

 

[Fenixgoon]

No, time for self maintenance is what is required. Much of our health problems in the US are due to lifestyle. And funny enough, that was the same problem in wall-e

Hard to be healthy when you are constantly stressed financially, which affects every other aspect of life as well.

Eating healthy? Costs too much
Exercise? With what free time after working so much?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Exercise? With what free time after working so much?

For me, from the commute times I saved by going remote. I'm lucky though.

 

[Zorba]

Remember when they said it would reduce the amount of paper generated. Ha, ha,.....

I thought that had finally came true.

 

[Zorba]

For me, from the commute times I saved by going remote. I'm lucky though.

Biggest reason I continue to tell my employer to pound sand about return to work. My activity level (as measured by Garmin in minutes and 'calories burned') went up 3x with work from home and I've now maintained and increased that rate for 3.5 years.

 

[Oyeve]

I personally wouldn't mind fast food workers getting a fat raise, I just wish they would hire smarter fast food workers. These kids ALWAYS ef up the order, ALWAYS. And if it wasn't for computerized cash registers I bet they couldn't do the math to give you correct change.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Hard to be healthy when you are constantly stressed financially, which affects every other aspect of life as well.

Eating healthy? Costs too much
Exercise? With what free time after working so much?

Yep, all true. Hard to healthy when we’re overworked, unpaid, and told to get fuct

Edit: I should add, as someone with a very restricted diet, eating healthy actually costs less overall, but it’s more effort on myself (and wifey).

I eat a lot of brown rice, black beans, and chicken, egg (whites mostly), fruits and veggies . I haven’t done the math in a while, but I can attest processed foods are quite pricey comparatively….im my area at least.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I personally wouldn't mind fast food workers getting a fat raise, I just wish they would hire smarter fast food workers. These kids ALWAYS ef up the order, ALWAYS. And if it wasn't for computerized cash registers I bet they couldn't do the math to give you correct change.

Smarter people may just see FF employment for what it is, a race to the bottom. Shit pay, shit working conditions, asshole managers

 

[Oyeve]

Smarter people may just see FF employment for what it is, a race to the bottom. Shit pay, shit working conditions, asshole managers

I remember when fast food jobs were for HS and college kids to make a quick buck for weekend hanging out, now its a career choice.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I remember when fast food jobs were for HS and college kids to make a quick buck for weekend hanging out, now its a career choice.

I don’t know about that. My XP says there’s only a few full timer career employees per store. The rest are part timers, that’s how you keep employees out of a benefit program.