California Gov. Brown signs transgender-student bill

[Texashiker]

They're not, and you're losing. So it looks like you're going to have to suck it up.

The only loser here is society.

 

[OutHouse]

I am basing my arguments on real life events, events everyone here knows can and do happen.

Chester is just a generic name.

Allowing men and women into the opposite sexes bathroom (with no questions asked) opens the door to all kinds of possible abuses.

Why attempt to lure a little girl into a car (or candy van), when all you have to do is still in the bathroom and wait for them to come to you?

Man hanging around the girls bathroom? Its ok, that is his right.

why would men be hanging around the girls school bathroom? i thought this thread was about the gov of california allowing transgender kids into each others bathrooms...

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

The only loser here is society.

Yea, when molestation rates don't sky rocket after this law, what will society have lost? The comfort of some Texan? Have to break some eggs...

 

[halik]

http://www.livescience.com/11208-high-suicide-risk-prejudice-plague-transgender-people.html

Hmm that's much higher than the peer reviewed paper i've seen before (~30%)

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Hmm that's much higher than the peer reviewed paper i've seen before (~30%)

I just did a quick google search. I would have picked something more reputable if it was higher on the search : ( I knew the rates were very high though.

Fact is if you don't get your kids help and they end up being one of the ones that can't deal with their dysphoria you've now damned them to a lifetime of anxiety and depression. Puberty is basically a debilitating disease to them.

 

[Texashiker]

why would men be hanging around the girls school bathroom? i thought this thread was about the gov of california allowing transgender kids into each others bathrooms...

What is to stop some punk kid from claiming his is transgender just to a peak at girls?

what will society have lost?

People are being forced, or rather subjected, to situations that could lead to embarrassment.

In certain situations rights can be infringed. The bathroom is one such situation.

 

[drebo]

A 6th grade girl meeting an 8th grade girl that's seeing a therapist on a regular basis...

If there's a penis involved, then it's not a girl. That's the bottom line, and nothing you have yet said has refuted that point.

You can wrap a turd in tin foil, but that doesn't make it a silver nugget.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

What is to stop some punk kid from claiming his is transgender just to a peak at girls?

People are being forced, or rather subjected, to situations that could lead to embarrassment.

In certain situations rights can be infringed. The bathroom is one such situation.

It takes more than claiming to be transgender to be diagnosed transgender. You've been told this multiple times.

Oh noes! someone might be embarrassed. It always harkens back to civil rights doesn't it? No, you can't oppress people just because you're uncomfortable.

 

[drebo]

That doesn't account for the fact that your scenarios can happen with or without them being allowed into the bathrooms. If people see a creeper go into a bathroom they're going to watch out for kids regardless. If they didn't notice then no law was going to stop him anyway. Won't someone please think of the children isn't a valid argument to that.

The difference is that one behavior is illegal, the other is now encouraged.

"Sorry officer, but I'm transgendered. Here's my note from my doctor. I think I'll go back in the little girls' room now."

 

[drebo]

It takes more than claiming to be transgender to be diagnosed transgender. You've been told this multiple times.

Oh noes! someone might be embarrassed. It always harkens back to civil rights doesn't it? No, you can't oppress people just because you're uncomfortable.

Not sure the law says anything about being "diagnosed" as transgendered. It only states that they have to "identify" with being transgendered.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

If there's a penis involved, then it's not a girl. That's the bottom line, and nothing you have yet said has refuted that point.

You can wrap a turd in tin foil, but that doesn't make it a silver nugget.

They're are plenty of girls with penises deal with it.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

The difference is that one behavior is illegal, the other is now encouraged.

"Sorry officer, but I'm transgendered. Here's my note from my doctor. I think I'll go back in the little girls' room now."

How do you think they get that note from their doctor?

 

[werepossum]

I'm going to guess being transgender in the schools is more than just claiming you are. Personally, I carry a letter with me from my therapist stating my intent. People aren't going to go through that and cross-dress when they could just go to a strip club.

Due to the rampant age discrimination, intolerance and bigotry in America, many strip clubs still do not admit school children, forcing them to get their pornography at the school library under the tutelage of highly trained librarians who understand that children are merely adults with less life experience. Go figure.

Surgeries cost money. Current standards of care require you to live as a woman for extended periods of time before a surgeon will touch you.

It's an extremely bad idea to force adolescents to transition too quickly as many later recover from their gender dysphoria without need of going that far.

There's a multitude of reasons that's just stupid.

That's a valid point. People sometimes go from being more fucked up to being less fucked up, so it's smart to be very, very cautious about whacking off vital recreational pieces we can only very imperfectly replace. That goes double with minors. Gender reassignment surgery on minors should be limited to people who are physically malformed. Plenty of time to radically change one's body after age 18.

Does this mean that women's bathrooms are going to be equipped with urinals now.

Have to be, to serve the women with penises. Otherwise it's discrimination, and that's wrong.

And now I have to run out to the personbox to see if the personperson left me any person . . .

 

[Texashiker]

No, you can't oppress people just because you're uncomfortable.

Explain the supreme court ruling on Japanese-American internment camps.

Explain why gay men have been banned from donating blood.

Explain why sexual predators are not allowed to work around children.

Explain why convicted felons can not vote.

Explain why people can not protest outside the supreme court building.

(you do not have to explain all of those, just using them for comparisons)

Under certain circumstances rights can be oppressed.

 

[drebo]

How do you think they get that note from their doctor?

The same way all the medical marijuana cards get issued, and we all know how valid those "diagnoses" are.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Explain the supreme court ruling on Japanese-American internment camps.

Explain why gay men have been banned from donating blood.

Explain why sexual predators are not allowed to work around children.

Explain why convicted felons can not vote.

Explain why people can not protest outside the supreme court building.

(you do not have to explain all of those, just using them for comparisons)

Under certain circumstances rights can be oppressed.

None of those are "cause I'm embarrassed" try again.

 

[drebo]

They're are plenty of girls with penises deal with it.

Girls with penises are called "boys." Because that's what they are. Boys.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Girls with penises are called "boys." Because that's what they are. Boys.

Biology is a lot more complicated than that.

 

[Juddog]

Want to see some titties? Just claim you are transgender and you get full access to the girls area.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/12/california-gov-brown-signs-transgender-student-bill/

Welcome to liberalville.

This is both funny and sad at the same time. While I support the rights of people to id with a different gender, others should be made to feel uncomfortable.

I would not want a guy in my daughters gym room, much less the bathroom.

Good thing you're in Texas huh? I'm fairly certain people in California would prefer you stayed there with your steer.

 

[bshole]

You do not have children do you?

My profile pic is my daughter. She is 9 yrs old. I also have a 13 yr old son.

Oddly enough, one of the teachers at my daughter's school is transgender. He had surgery two years ago and is now a she. I NEVER worried about he/she molesting my daughter.

Christ I would hate to go through life with the amount of sheer terror that you obviously have to deal with on a daily basis. You remind of my neighbors, they are conservative like you. They won't let their kids go to summer camp because they are afraid molestors will get at them. They have a big fence around their property to keep molestors out. A little sad and a little pathetic...... but hey, to each is own.

 

[blankslate]

I don't know... claiming to be transgender just to get thrillz from getting to use the girls locker and bath rooms?

The cost equation, (the potential social downside think about it) vs. the reward (getting jollies from being a peeping tom), seems to work out in such a way that a person who wasn't really transgender wouldn't actually do it.

However, as someone else said if they're pre-op then other peoples' rights have to be considered too. It's a thorny issue...

 

[Texashiker]

I NEVER worried about he/she molesting my daughter.

Not a single time in this thread have transgender people been referred to as predators.

Where did you get this idea from?

Would you be comfortable seeing a man go into the ladies bathroom right behind your daughter?

 

[Exophase]

Which also opens the door to all kinds of abuse.

Chester the molester sees a little girl go to the bathroom, goes in there after her, tells the little girl something like mommy will not care if we take pictures,,, its ok, I am gay.

Store employee, that creepy guy has been hanging around the ladies bathroom.
Security is called to check the guy out.
Store is sued for violating the guys civil rights.

Welcome to liberalville.

It sure is funny how society made it all this time without laws like this.

So instead without this law Chester the molester will have to be content with doing the same thing but with the little boy's room. No problem them, right? And I hope you understand that transgender has nothing to do with being gay.

If there's a problem with people potentially getting aroused in a bathroom then you've already got a problem because there are far more gay people than transgender people. Please don't tell me you think gay people should be kept out of bathrooms entirely.

If the problem is exposing yourself then the answer is simple, be discrete. Most people don't flash their genitalia around when they use the restroom and most people don't look. If you're behaving inappropriately then there are specific laws to address this. Maybe it's more open in a changing room but you can still easily take steps to avoid exposure. And I kind of think that for a pre-op transgender person exposure would be the last thing he or she would want.

 

[Texashiker]

other peoples' rights have to be considered too. It's a thorny issue...

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

 

[Angry Irishman]

You don't have the right to oppress others because they make you feel uncomfortable. You don't have the right to not feel uncomfortable. No one is demanding you have to let these people into your homes.

No not my home but the school my kids go to....even worse. :thumbsdown: What is the age range that the transgender condition exists? .....out of the vagina? This whole concept is ridiculous and not what any level of government needs to legislate.