California Bans a Large-Caliber Gun

[TallBill]

Sorry, but someone holding a gun to someone else shouldn't just be ignored. But what would you care, just let the stupid clerk get killed of 43 bucks and a slurpee.

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
If it prevents terrorism we should all be for it.

It doesn't prevent ANYTHING.

Criminals/Terrorist do not abide by laws, therefor WHY would they follow this. They will/can get this gun somewhere else. If this gun was banned EVERYWHERE they would still get it somehow if they wanted it bad enough.

Thats what all you anti-gun weirdo's do not understand!



I have an AR-15. Perfectly legal in my state, both before and after the stupid Assualt weapon ban. That stupid ban had limitations on Magizine capacity, but yet I still LEGALLY had high cap. magazines without no problem. If they where completly banned a criminal wouldn't have any touble getting on either if they wanted one bad enough.

When the banned was raised, my gun was no more dangerous than before, all I did was add some to make it more aestheticly pleasing to me, such as a flash surpressor (Could have added a folding stock also). These items did NOT make the gun shot any different on a scale that would make the gun any better as a weapon for a terrorist/criminal.

Do I have a reason to own this gun. YES! Not for home defense on anything like that. I need to own it because shotting is a hobby that I along with MANY other Americans enjoy to participate it. I go to a controlled range and shot at paper targets, bowling pins, shooting clays, and other stuff. Its a lot of fun.
You anti-gun buffs need to get YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, and learn some Facts about the guns, and learn that the media leads you astray with everything they broadcast in 90% of the situations involving these guns, and movies typically don't acuratly protray these weapons.




BTW, If I had the money I would buy a .50 cal. rifle. CUZ they are totally BAD ASS!

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
If it prevents terrorism we should all be for it.

*snip*

You might want to switch to decaf.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: TallBill

Dude, save your shooting for the Iraqi's and those breaking into your house. I don't want to get shot because you felt the need to act like a hero in the Liquor store.

First of all wrong country. Second of all, I am trained with weapons, including quite a bit of CQB, and will only continue to train both with the military and privately. You dont just go shooting up a place, but if someones life is in danger (ie, someone holding up a store at gunpoint), they need to be stopped. Notice, that the key term of "stopping" instead of "killing" is the big difference between a military and a civilian scenario. How many people would rob 7-11 if they were 100% sure that the clerk had a weapon to fire back.

My e-penis is bigger than yours!

Unless you have a badge I don't want you putting my life at risk just so you can be John Wayne!

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: TallBill

Dude, save your shooting for the Iraqi's and those breaking into your house. I don't want to get shot because you felt the need to act like a hero in the Liquor store.

First of all wrong country. Second of all, I am trained with weapons, including quite a bit of CQB, and will only continue to train both with the military and privately. You dont just go shooting up a place, but if someones life is in danger (ie, someone holding up a store at gunpoint), they need to be stopped. Notice, that the key term of "stopping" instead of "killing" is the big difference between a military and a civilian scenario. How many people would rob 7-11 if they were 100% sure that the clerk had a weapon to fire back.

My e-penis is bigger than yours!

More like e-John Wayne!

Ok, what would a police officer do? Probably shoot? You do realize that I'm a military police officer right? And that I'd pretty much be an off duty cop with a concealed carry permit.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: TallBill

Dude, save your shooting for the Iraqi's and those breaking into your house. I don't want to get shot because you felt the need to act like a hero in the Liquor store.

First of all wrong country. Second of all, I am trained with weapons, including quite a bit of CQB, and will only continue to train both with the military and privately. You dont just go shooting up a place, but if someones life is in danger (ie, someone holding up a store at gunpoint), they need to be stopped. Notice, that the key term of "stopping" instead of "killing" is the big difference between a military and a civilian scenario. How many people would rob 7-11 if they were 100% sure that the clerk had a weapon to fire back.

My e-penis is bigger than yours!

More like e-John Wayne!

Ok, what would a police officer do? Probably shoot? You do realize that I'm a military police officer right? And that I'd pretty much be an off duty cop with a concealed carry permit.

That'd make you perfect for a place like Kabul. You are not trained for situations like a holdup at a Convenience store.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

LoL, I would love to see a drive-by with a 50BMG.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
LoL, I would love to see a drive-by with a 50BMG.

Why, you like seeing innocent people shot to death?

 

[bernse]

Bah. the .338 Lapua Magnum is the sniper rifle of choice now anyhow.

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: TallBill

Dude, save your shooting for the Iraqi's and those breaking into your house. I don't want to get shot because you felt the need to act like a hero in the Liquor store.

First of all wrong country. Second of all, I am trained with weapons, including quite a bit of CQB, and will only continue to train both with the military and privately. You dont just go shooting up a place, but if someones life is in danger (ie, someone holding up a store at gunpoint), they need to be stopped. Notice, that the key term of "stopping" instead of "killing" is the big difference between a military and a civilian scenario. How many people would rob 7-11 if they were 100% sure that the clerk had a weapon to fire back.

My e-penis is bigger than yours!

More like e-John Wayne!

Ok, what would a police officer do? Probably shoot? You do realize that I'm a military police officer right? And that I'd pretty much be an off duty cop with a concealed carry permit.

That'd make you perfect for a place like Kabul. You are not trained for situations like a holdup at a Convenience store.

You are not trained to be such as ASS but you seem to do pretty well at it, I think he could handle the situation fine then.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: TallBill

Dude, save your shooting for the Iraqi's and those breaking into your house. I don't want to get shot because you felt the need to act like a hero in the Liquor store.

First of all wrong country. Second of all, I am trained with weapons, including quite a bit of CQB, and will only continue to train both with the military and privately. You dont just go shooting up a place, but if someones life is in danger (ie, someone holding up a store at gunpoint), they need to be stopped. Notice, that the key term of "stopping" instead of "killing" is the big difference between a military and a civilian scenario. How many people would rob 7-11 if they were 100% sure that the clerk had a weapon to fire back.

My e-penis is bigger than yours!

More like e-John Wayne!

Ok, what would a police officer do? Probably shoot? You do realize that I'm a military police officer right? And that I'd pretty much be an off duty cop with a concealed carry permit.

That'd make you perfect for a place like Kabul. You are not trained for situations like a holdup at a Convenience store.

You are not trained to be such as ASS but you seem to do pretty well at it, I think he could handle the situation fine then.

Fine, I'm an ass because I object to having someone putting my life at risk even though he is not trained for the situation. I can live with that.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: TallBill

Dude, save your shooting for the Iraqi's and those breaking into your house. I don't want to get shot because you felt the need to act like a hero in the Liquor store.

First of all wrong country. Second of all, I am trained with weapons, including quite a bit of CQB, and will only continue to train both with the military and privately. You dont just go shooting up a place, but if someones life is in danger (ie, someone holding up a store at gunpoint), they need to be stopped. Notice, that the key term of "stopping" instead of "killing" is the big difference between a military and a civilian scenario. How many people would rob 7-11 if they were 100% sure that the clerk had a weapon to fire back.

My e-penis is bigger than yours!

Unless you have a badge I don't want you putting my life at risk just so you can be John Wayne!

Hey Red, how's Geekbabe doin? Haven't seen her around lately, you hiding her in the basement?!

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: TallBill

Dude, save your shooting for the Iraqi's and those breaking into your house. I don't want to get shot because you felt the need to act like a hero in the Liquor store.

First of all wrong country. Second of all, I am trained with weapons, including quite a bit of CQB, and will only continue to train both with the military and privately. You dont just go shooting up a place, but if someones life is in danger (ie, someone holding up a store at gunpoint), they need to be stopped. Notice, that the key term of "stopping" instead of "killing" is the big difference between a military and a civilian scenario. How many people would rob 7-11 if they were 100% sure that the clerk had a weapon to fire back.

My e-penis is bigger than yours!

More like e-John Wayne!

Ok, what would a police officer do? Probably shoot? You do realize that I'm a military police officer right? And that I'd pretty much be an off duty cop with a concealed carry permit.

That'd make you perfect for a place like Kabul. You are not trained for situations like a holdup at a Convenience store.

You are not trained to be such as ASS but you seem to do pretty well at it, I think he could handle the situation fine then.

Fine, I'm an ass because I object to having someone putting my life at risk even though he is not trained for the situation. I can live with that.

Simple solution, Don't go into a store that is being robbed while he is in there. .

 

[gururu]

Arnold continues to impress me. This isn't doing a lot, but everything must be done in small steps.

Arnold is a terrific governor

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz

Simple solution, Don't go into a store that is being robbed while he is in there. .

A simple solution for a simple mind like yours.

I bet if you were to ask any LEO they'd say that he shouldn't do anything. It's not worth getting killed or getting someone killed over a few measely dollars. Now if the situation is desperate, like the perp starts shooting, then it's a whole different ballgame and lethal actions would be appropriate.

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: Tabb
:thumbsup:

I have yet to see a reason why anyone needs to own a gun. Let alone a .50 Caliber anti-matter weapon.

Is it necessary to own a gun for most people? Let me ask you this...is it necessary for me to drink my own urine?...No, but's it's sterile and I like the taste!! Many things we have or do aren't necessary but we live in a free country I think.

You forgot about smoke bombs, a guitar to wail on, shurikens, and your samurai sword!

Why's a Ninja carrying a Samurai sword??..



I think it's been proven over and over and over, that as long as there's guns, people will use them, if they are so inclined, in a felonious manner to get what they want. It's unfortunate that the relative few criminal gun owners get all the attention. Hunters and gun hobbyists get a bad rap for having firearms, even though they might be under lock, key and three feet of steel plating. I'm not a gunowner myself, and don't feel any particular need or desire to own one.

That being said, I have a fine collection of non-gunpowder based weapons that are illegal to carry outside of my home in a public place.

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz

Simple solution, Don't go into a store that is being robbed while he is in there. .

A simple solution for a simple mind like yours.

I bet if you were to ask any LEO they'd say that he shouldn't do anything. It's not worth getting killed or getting someone killed over a few measely dollars. Now if the situation is desperate, like the perp starts shooting, then it's a whole different ballgame and lethal actions would be appropriate.

Well yea your right there, I wasen't saying him just start shooting because he feels the need. But if the situation arose where there was already a violent crime with the criminal using a gun, then yea. But not just him shoot because the guy is asking for money, because most likely he is going to rob him and run out without shooting.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Unconstitutional.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Haven't you learned? The constitution got declared obselete a long time ago. Some time around WW2 and the Red Scare.

 

[nellienelson1]

Bah. the .338 Lapua Magnum is the sniper rifle of choice now anyhow.

not quite, its the 6.5mm by 284, which is essentially a necked down winchester 308, it has a higher velocity than the .308, also can still take the high grain bullets (around the 140-150 mark) and when the bullet heads are moly coated it has a very good ballistic efficiency. which all add up to a very accurate shot.
btw the canadians in afganistan claim to have had a kill with a 50 cal rifle from 2 km. just thought i would add that for all of you who dont see the .50 cal as a dangerous weapon. of course in the correct hands (such as this pair) its a lovely shot.

cheers

 

[TallBill]

Uh, yes I am trained for just that situation. That IS my job when I'm back in the states. I AM an LEO. What do you think active duty military police do when we arren't deployed? We're regular cops, just on a military base.

You also stupidly assume that I'd just start firing. There are a few steps before actually using deadly force, including shouting and show of deadly force. Sometimes time doesn't permit of course. Hey, if the guy just decides to lay his pistol down, great. I'll keep watch untill police of jurisdiction show up and arrest him. If he decides to take off, thats when I really cant do anything. Its beyond me to chase or anything at that point.

I also find it funny that you guys dont see the act of pointing a pistol at someone a violent act.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Uh, yes I am trained for just that situation. That IS my job when I'm back in the states. I AM an LEO. What do you think active duty military police do when we arren't deployed? We're regular cops, just on a military base.

You also stupidly assume that I'd just start firing. There are a few steps before actually using deadly force, including shouting and show of deadly force. Sometimes time doesn't permit of course. Hey, if the guy just decides to lay his pistol down, great. I'll keep watch untill police of jurisdiction show up and arrest him. If he decides to take off, thats when I really cant do anything. Its beyond me to chase or anything at that point.

Why would I stupidly assume that you'd just start firing

If someone decides to rob a store that I'm shopping at, they are getting shot until they stop robbing

Maybe because that's what you said!!!!

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: nellienelson1

Bah. the .338 Lapua Magnum is the sniper rifle of choice now anyhow.

not quite, its the 6.5mm by 284, which is essentially a necked down winchester 308, it has a higher velocity than the .308, also can still take the high grain bullets (around the 140-150 mark) and when the bullet heads are moly coated it has a very good ballistic efficiency. which all add up to a very accurate shot.
btw the canadians in afganistan claim to have had a kill with a 50 cal rifle from 2 km. just thought i would add that for all of you who dont see the .50 cal as a dangerous weapon. of course in the correct hands (such as this pair) its a lovely shot.

cheers

Dangerous? Heck yes it's dangerous - If you're on the receiving end.

How many people have been killed by .50 BMG rifles in CA in the last 10 years?

*crickets chirping*

OK, easier - How many have been seized after being involved in a crime, or seized as part of an investigation? How many are actually IN CA?

.50 BMG is something that the serious gun enthusiast picks up, it's not something the criminal type would have much interest in. At $2K (on the extreme low end) cost of entry it's for rich folks who like guns.

This is roughly the equivalent of banning private aircraft on the off chance they could be flown into something.

Viper GTS

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: nellienelson1

Bah. the .338 Lapua Magnum is the sniper rifle of choice now anyhow.

not quite, its the 6.5mm by 284, which is essentially a necked down winchester 308, it has a higher velocity than the .308, also can still take the high grain bullets (around the 140-150 mark) and when the bullet heads are moly coated it has a very good ballistic efficiency. which all add up to a very accurate shot.
btw the canadians in afganistan claim to have had a kill with a 50 cal rifle from 2 km. just thought i would add that for all of you who dont see the .50 cal as a dangerous weapon. of course in the correct hands (such as this pair) its a lovely shot.

cheers

Dangerous? Heck yes it's dangerous - If you're on the receiving end.

How many people have been killed by .50 BMG rifles in CA in the last 10 years?

*crickets chirping*

OK, easier - How many have been seized after being involved in a crime, or seized as part of an investigation? How many are actually IN CA?

.50 BMG is something that the serious gun enthusiast picks up, it's not something the criminal type would have much interest in. At $2K (on the extreme low end) cost of entry it's for rich folks who like guns.

This is roughly the equivalent of banning private aircraft on the off chance they could be flown into something.

Viper GTS

I think they just did it to appease the Anti Gun Nutjobs.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TallBill
Uh, yes I am trained for just that situation. That IS my job when I'm back in the states. I AM an LEO. What do you think active duty military police do when we arren't deployed? We're regular cops, just on a military base.

You also stupidly assume that I'd just start firing. There are a few steps before actually using deadly force, including shouting and show of deadly force. Sometimes time doesn't permit of course. Hey, if the guy just decides to lay his pistol down, great. I'll keep watch untill police of jurisdiction show up and arrest him. If he decides to take off, thats when I really cant do anything. Its beyond me to chase or anything at that point.

Why would I stupidly assume that you'd just start firing

If someone decides to rob a store that I'm shopping at, they are getting shot until they stop robbing

Maybe because that's what you said!!!!

Eh, I made a poor assumption that people would know concealed carry laws. They give you the right to use a firearm untill the person "stops". If I pull a pistol out and they run away, they are "stopped" and I have to stop firing. If I pull a pistol out and shoot the ground once and he runs away, he is "stopped" and I must stop firing. Thats why i worded it "they are getting shot until they stop robbing". I guess if you've never heard of the "shoot to stop" before, the wording wouldn't mean anything to you.