Pliablemoose
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Demon-Xanth
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Originally posted by: desy
One of the mistruths the gun lobby always claims 'and don't get me wrong I'm all for guns'
Is that all guns are created equal, they aren't, a semi auto with a large cap mag can cause a lot more damage than a bolt action 'see Vang' likewise a 50 BMG is multiples of times more powerfull than say a 300 win Mag.
Now in the interest of National security? the gun lobby guy says well they can just make a dirty bomb or buy an RPG, hhmmmm ,now can you get one of those for a couple grand? or legally be in possesion of one if your pulled over? I think not. . . I dunno, other than collector interest or mischief I don't see much use for a 50, maybe they have a point. .
Bear, moose, other large game not available in the US. You don't want to have to reload when you're hunting bear.
Originally posted by: desy
One of the mistruths the gun lobby always claims 'and don't get me wrong I'm all for guns
Is that all guns are created equal, they aren't, a semi auto with a large cap mag can cause a lot more damage than a bolt action 'see Vang' likewise a 50 BMG is multiples of times more powerfull than say a 300 win Mag.
Now in the interest of National security? the gun lobby guy says well they can just make a dirty bomb or buy an RPG, hhmmmm ,now can you get one of those for a couple grand? or legally be in possesion of one if your pulled over? I think not. . . I dunno, other than collector interest or mischief I don't see much use for a 50, maybe they have a point. .
If you have the money to be buying a .50BMG weapon (Go look at the prices), you're either a collector or a hardcore enthusiast. You can buy a METRIC BUTTLOAD of perfectly legal AK47's and 7.62mm ammo to use with them for the cost of one .50. Add a second .50 to the mix and you can buy body armor to match all those AK47's - again, perfectly legal, depending on the state.
Which one will cause more terror and loss of life? One guy with a .50 and a few bullets (Those things are $$$) or a few guys with cheaper guns with dirt cheap ammo and body armor?
Toastedlightly
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Keep banning the weapons till they are all illegal and guess what you get? Criminals and tyrants are the only ones that have guns.
Good job Kalifornia.:thumbsdown:
Looks like Arnold is following in his fathers footsteps.
Good job Kalifornia.:thumbsdown:
Looks like Arnold is following in his fathers footsteps.
:thumbsup:
I have yet to see a reason why anyone needs to own a gun. Let alone a .50 Caliber anti-matter weapon.
I have yet to see a reason why anyone needs to own a gun. Let alone a .50 Caliber anti-matter weapon.
SP33Demon
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Depends if the .50 shot could come through the cockpit and hit the pilot in the heart of a 747 with 100 people on board over Dodger Stadium.Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: desy
One of the mistruths the gun lobby always claims 'and don't get me wrong I'm all for guns
Is that all guns are created equal, they aren't, a semi auto with a large cap mag can cause a lot more damage than a bolt action 'see Vang' likewise a 50 BMG is multiples of times more powerfull than say a 300 win Mag.
Now in the interest of National security? the gun lobby guy says well they can just make a dirty bomb or buy an RPG, hhmmmm ,now can you get one of those for a couple grand? or legally be in possesion of one if your pulled over? I think not. . . I dunno, other than collector interest or mischief I don't see much use for a 50, maybe they have a point. .
If you have the money to be buying a .50BMG weapon (Go look at the prices), you're either a collector or a hardcore enthusiast. You can buy a METRIC BUTTLOAD of perfectly legal AK47's and 7.62mm ammo to use with them for the cost of one .50. Add a second .50 to the mix and you can buy body armor to match all those AK47's - again, perfectly legal, depending on the state.
Which one will cause more terror and loss of life? One guy with a .50 and a few bullets (Those things are $$$) or a few guys with cheaper guns with dirt cheap ammo and body armor?
Well as previously posted in the 'shooting at a Grizzly thread' I said my min would be a Bar Safari in 338 win mag.
A 300 win mag has about 3300 lb of muzzle energy a 50 BMG over 12000, therefore my multiples of damage statement. The AK guy isn't likely to bring down a 747 and I'm all for em, muzzle energy 1552 lb
So basically a 50 BMG carries 10X as much damage potential. The bullet carries a lot futher, 2500 meters if my memory serves on the longest sniper kill in Afghanistan, try getting an AK dangerous to that distance.
As you pointed out and I did, they are expensive so its A collectors and hobbiests or B people who can potentially do a lot of harm, thats if I guess ,if it can it bring down a plane ? I can see it as improbable but so was 9/11. . . .
I'm not for it, its made me think some though. . .
Tabb , you as a North Dakotan! I'm disappointed! You should have a closet full
A 300 win mag has about 3300 lb of muzzle energy a 50 BMG over 12000, therefore my multiples of damage statement. The AK guy isn't likely to bring down a 747 and I'm all for em, muzzle energy 1552 lb
So basically a 50 BMG carries 10X as much damage potential. The bullet carries a lot futher, 2500 meters if my memory serves on the longest sniper kill in Afghanistan, try getting an AK dangerous to that distance.
As you pointed out and I did, they are expensive so its A collectors and hobbiests or B people who can potentially do a lot of harm, thats if I guess ,if it can it bring down a plane ? I can see it as improbable but so was 9/11. . . .
I'm not for it, its made me think some though. . .
Tabb , you as a North Dakotan! I'm disappointed! You should have a closet full
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Depends if the .50 shot could come through the cockpit and hit the pilot in the heart of a 747 with 100 people on board over Dodger Stadium.Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: desy
One of the mistruths the gun lobby always claims 'and don't get me wrong I'm all for guns
Is that all guns are created equal, they aren't, a semi auto with a large cap mag can cause a lot more damage than a bolt action 'see Vang' likewise a 50 BMG is multiples of times more powerfull than say a 300 win Mag.
Now in the interest of National security? the gun lobby guy says well they can just make a dirty bomb or buy an RPG, hhmmmm ,now can you get one of those for a couple grand? or legally be in possesion of one if your pulled over? I think not. . . I dunno, other than collector interest or mischief I don't see much use for a 50, maybe they have a point. .
If you have the money to be buying a .50BMG weapon (Go look at the prices), you're either a collector or a hardcore enthusiast. You can buy a METRIC BUTTLOAD of perfectly legal AK47's and 7.62mm ammo to use with them for the cost of one .50. Add a second .50 to the mix and you can buy body armor to match all those AK47's - again, perfectly legal, depending on the state.
Which one will cause more terror and loss of life? One guy with a .50 and a few bullets (Those things are $$$) or a few guys with cheaper guns with dirt cheap ammo and body armor?
That's why there's a copilot.
SP33Demon
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What if it goes thru both the pilot and copilot's hearts? Then who'll steer the plane biatch?Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Depends if the .50 shot could come through the cockpit and hit the pilot in the heart of a 747 with 100 people on board over Dodger Stadium.Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: desy
One of the mistruths the gun lobby always claims 'and don't get me wrong I'm all for guns
Is that all guns are created equal, they aren't, a semi auto with a large cap mag can cause a lot more damage than a bolt action 'see Vang' likewise a 50 BMG is multiples of times more powerfull than say a 300 win Mag.
Now in the interest of National security? the gun lobby guy says well they can just make a dirty bomb or buy an RPG, hhmmmm ,now can you get one of those for a couple grand? or legally be in possesion of one if your pulled over? I think not. . . I dunno, other than collector interest or mischief I don't see much use for a 50, maybe they have a point. .
If you have the money to be buying a .50BMG weapon (Go look at the prices), you're either a collector or a hardcore enthusiast. You can buy a METRIC BUTTLOAD of perfectly legal AK47's and 7.62mm ammo to use with them for the cost of one .50. Add a second .50 to the mix and you can buy body armor to match all those AK47's - again, perfectly legal, depending on the state.
Which one will cause more terror and loss of life? One guy with a .50 and a few bullets (Those things are $$$) or a few guys with cheaper guns with dirt cheap ammo and body armor?
That's why there's a copilot.
Is it necessary to own a gun for most people? Let me ask you this...is it necessary for me to drink my own urine?...No, but's it's sterile and I like the taste!! Many things we have or do aren't necessary but we live in a free country I think.
Do you need a TV or a computer? Is there really a reason why you own one? For pleasure and personal use of course. It's the same thing for this .50 Cal rifle.
And don't give me that argument that it can be used to kill people. If a person wants to kill another person, nothing is going to stop them.
Everything on an aircraft that could be taken apart by a bullet in-flight is redundant. Fuel tanks, engines, pilots, control systems. It would take significant spam to accomplish any real damage, much less a catastrophe. It's much easier to rent a Cessna and ram it on final approach/TO, or chuck a home made explosive out the window, or somthing like that. There are MILLIONS of incredible ways you can fvck up an airplane - a .50 ranks as one of the dumber ones.
Yeah like I said, I did a double on this
I mean I read an article that said if a terrorist was serious all they had to do was rent a couple of grnd floor apts with NG, turn on, wait a few hrs and boom down comes the building.
I don't buy into the fear mongering either. but I don't like it when the gun lobby tries to marginalize it either. A 50 bmg is more dangerous, a full auto is more dangerous, should we get rid of them? NOOO
We live with risk everyday, deal with it.
I mean I read an article that said if a terrorist was serious all they had to do was rent a couple of grnd floor apts with NG, turn on, wait a few hrs and boom down comes the building.
I don't buy into the fear mongering either. but I don't like it when the gun lobby tries to marginalize it either. A 50 bmg is more dangerous, a full auto is more dangerous, should we get rid of them? NOOO
We live with risk everyday, deal with it.
JDub02
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the .50 cal scares poor little ahnuld.
I think he's trying to pander to the nutjobs out there for his next run. What he doesn't realize is as long as you have an "R" next to your name, they're going to hate you. Besides, with policies like that, he'll never make it out of the primaries.
<- citizen of the People's Democratic Republic of New York.
I think he's trying to pander to the nutjobs out there for his next run. What he doesn't realize is as long as you have an "R" next to your name, they're going to hate you. Besides, with policies like that, he'll never make it out of the primaries.
<- citizen of the People's Democratic Republic of New York.
SP33Demon
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Rumor has it that NYC is going to secede from the US. Any truth in that?Originally posted by: JDub02
the .50 cal scares poor little ahnuld.
I think he's trying to pander to the nutjobs out there for his next run. What he doesn't realize is as long as you have an "R" next to your name, they're going to hate you. Besides, with policies like that, he'll never make it out of the primaries.
<- citizen of the People's Democratic Republic of New York.
Silly ban. Even the owners of these weapons don't fire them often. They will blacken shoulders and bloody eardrums. I read a few years ago that it was very difficult to find a range that could/would accomodate them since they are so very powerful.
Again, Silly Ban!
Again, Silly Ban!
1. Nobody needs a gun like that. Period. You can't use it for hunting, unless you're hunting dinosaurs. It will blow away most any currenty mammal.
2. If someone, for whatever reason, feels they need to buy one of these, they should be able to. They should simply be strictly regulated, like automatic weapons are now.
3. Anyone who thinks you can't bring a plane down with one of these is crazy. This round won't just pierce the skin of an aircraft, it will go right through the engine. Now it'd be pretty hard to hit a plane in flight with a single shot, but getting one just as it lands, or takes off from a long distance wouldn't be.
As someone else said though, this isn't the most efficient way to bring a plane down.
These could also be used to disable vehicles, as the round will go right into a car's engine, whereas the average deer rifle won't.
A .50 caliber is completely bad-ass.
2. If someone, for whatever reason, feels they need to buy one of these, they should be able to. They should simply be strictly regulated, like automatic weapons are now.
3. Anyone who thinks you can't bring a plane down with one of these is crazy. This round won't just pierce the skin of an aircraft, it will go right through the engine. Now it'd be pretty hard to hit a plane in flight with a single shot, but getting one just as it lands, or takes off from a long distance wouldn't be.
As someone else said though, this isn't the most efficient way to bring a plane down.
These could also be used to disable vehicles, as the round will go right into a car's engine, whereas the average deer rifle won't.
A .50 caliber is completely bad-ass.
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