Cali drivers: Davis tripled the car tax??!

[Amused]

Reducing property taxes is part of what put California in the budget problems it is currently in. Prop 13 limited the yearly increases on property taxes, and made it much more reliant on income taxes as a result. With the drop in income taxes (because of the generally poor economy for the past couple of years), California just hasn't been able to collect as much as it projected.

Oh BS! Prop 13 stopped the percentage increase in property taxes. It did NOT stop the increase that comes as property values increase and increases in the number of property owners, thus property taxes will rise with inflation and need for services. What does this mean? It means that unless you increase spending with more programs, there is NO NEED to raise taxes on anything else.

It always amazes me how liberals completely misunderstand how taxes work. They are a %, not a fixed fee. Therefore there is NO EXCUSE for raising them. NONE. As inflation and property values rise, so will the revenue. The ONLY reason to raise the % rate is to cover extra spending. Therefore if your population demads no tax increases, you obviously cannot raise the spending levels by adding more and more social programs.

 

[StageLeft]

Well this is what happens when government grows and people expect more social services. Taxes go up. Taxes are always going up from decade to decade. You'll probably be paying even more in 10 years.

Until people realize that it's best to have a small, efficient government setup, they're going to keep paying vast taxes.

The ONLY reason to raise the % rate is to cover extra spending.

Yep.

 

[SagaLore]

Haha!

That's what you guys gets for not voting in a person you wanted. Remember, Davis was elected, not assigned!

So I think you are getting what you deserve.

But the same could be said for Rendell in Pennsylvania. I guess we're getting what we deserve...

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: coldcut
Something tells me I should be headed east (NY).

LOL You want to escape the crappiest state on the west coast and head over to the crappiest state on the east coast. Great plan!

 

[StageLeft]

They increased spending by a greater margin than tax revenues increased over the past 3+ years. That is why we have such a huge deficit.

Same thing in Alabama. The people here wisely just voted down the biggest tax increase proposal in history. It is generally believed that the politicians will not spend the money well, and so people don't want to give them more. over the past few years tax revenues have grown at around 2.5% each year and spending is about twice that.

If a state budget was a company stock it wouild be in the gutter. Why the hell do politicians and government think that it's ok to continually spend more money than you're making year after year after year? And, if this huge tax increase would have gone through they'd simply increase spending even further and overtextend themselves yet again. If your 18 year old kid with your credit card keeps maxing it outyou don't keep increasing their allowance hoping for them to finally keep their spending in check, because they won't.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: oog

Originally posted by: rgwalt
They should do away with the car (property) taxes around the country. If you have to pay taxes on property you own, then you don't really own it...

R

Reducing property taxes is part of what put California in the budget problems it is currently in. Prop 13 limited the yearly increases on property taxes, and made it much more reliant on income taxes as a result. With the drop in income taxes (because of the generally poor economy for the past couple of years), California just hasn't been able to collect as much as it projected.

That is not true. Income tax revenue hasn't dropped, in fact, it increased. I don't have exact figures but it did increase by the projected amount. Spending just increased wildly during the same period. It wasn't like the windfall the state recieved during the tech boom but you can't increase spending because of an anomoly like that and expect it to remain at that level. That's like you winning $100,000 playing slots in Vegas and going out and buying a $1,000,000 house and a couple Porsches even though you only make $40,000 a year in income.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Haha!

That's what you guys gets for not voting in a person you wanted. Remember, Davis was elected, not assigned!

So I think you are getting what you deserve.

But the same could be said for Rendell in Pennsylvania. I guess we're getting what we deserve...

Screw that, I didn't vote for him.

 

[DurocShark]

Bah. You people with $30k vehicles: Sell them! I certainly don't wanna hear whining...

If you're paying $500-600 for registration, your vehicle is worth too much, and you obviously either have the $$ or are living beyond your means anyway.

<-------- Happily paying $60 for his 1984 Volvo

 

[Cougar]

Originally posted by: Ophir
Yup. $500 registration here for a $20,000 car.

Gray Davis rules!

Holy cow, $500 for yearly registration? I pay $36/year for my car. We can't be talking about the same thing can we? That's well over 10x what I pay (granted my car isn't worth $20k but still...).

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Cougar

Originally posted by: Ophir
Yup. $500 registration here for a $20,000 car.

Gray Davis rules!

Holy cow, $500 for yearly registration? I pay $36/year for my car. We can't be talking about the same thing can we? That's well over 10x what I pay (granted my car isn't worth $20k but still...).

Next year my sentra will cost about $50. The maxima I think is around 4 X that. Still not too bad.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
The cost of living in CA is getting higher and higher and....

Not only do we get raped by gas prices, but car registration too :|

Well look at the bright side...sooon you might slide into the ocean and become another state

Ausm

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
The cost of living in CA is getting higher and higher and....

Not only do we get raped by gas prices, but car registration too :|

Well look at the bright side...sooon you might slide into the ocean and become another state

Ausm

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Ophir
Yup. $500 registration here for a $20,000 car.

Gray Davis rules!

The law raising the Car Tax was signed by Pete Wilson, a year before Grey Davis took office. This has been a ticking time bomb, waiting to go off.
The electorate has a short attention and memory span.
Pete Wilson is directing the committee to Elect Ahnold. He has a large portion of Wilson's staff as well. Draw your own concussion er...., conclusion.
Blame Davis if you want, but you've got the wrong guy.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Ophir
Yup. $500 registration here for a $20,000 car.

Gray Davis rules!

The law raising the Car Tax was signed by Pete Wilson, a year before Grey Davis took office. This has been a ticking time bomb, waiting to go off.
The electorate has a short attention and memory span.
Pete Wilson is directing the committee to Elect Ahnold. He has a large portion of Wilson's staff as well. Draw your own concussion er...., conclusion.
Blame Davis if you want, but you've got the wrong guy.

No, the people voted to do away with the car tax a few years ago during Davis's first administration. He brought it back now. How is this Pete Wilson's fault?

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: rgwalt

Originally posted by: oog

Originally posted by: rgwalt
They should do away with the car (property) taxes around the country. If you have to pay taxes on property you own, then you don't really own it...

R

Reducing property taxes is part of what put California in the budget problems it is currently in. Prop 13 limited the yearly increases on property taxes, and made it much more reliant on income taxes as a result. With the drop in income taxes (because of the generally poor economy for the past couple of years), California just hasn't been able to collect as much as it projected.

That isn't my point. My point relates to the concept of ownership. If the government can take my car or my house away because I didn't pay my taxes, then I don't really OWN my car or my house.

R

I agree..

Then neither one of you understand government. You make a contract with them by using their services(i.e. their roads, infrastructure, and other services). Don't pay and you can have them go "after" you aka put a lien on your home or foreclose. Same deal with any commercial entity. Government has more power than a typical business(read civil asset seizure laws/environmental seizure laws) but MOST of the time... not paying your taxes SHOULD be grounds for a lien or seizure. Unless you are using no services(not possible because the military keeps us all safe) then you don't have a reason to bitch about paying taxes. Now, you can bitch about the AMOUNT(they are too high) but the fact that you have to PAY them at all shouldn't be an issue. The military and other things aren't free. They all have to have money to operate.

California is one of about 20 states facing shortfalls because of the economic downtown and increased spending. Part of it is the fault of government, and part of it is the fault of the people. Lots of these increases were supported by the people because they fault the economy would continue to stay strong, and that the new programs were "needed" since we had increased revenue and surpluses.

Don't blame only your local politicians; the uninformed voter is guilty as well.

wow, a future bustamante for governor vote!

Yes, we should blame the local politicians. The voters who elected this Democratic state legislature is also guilty, but I didn't vote for them.
for more on Gray's budget philosophy, check out Tom McClintock's Memo to My Wife

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Ophir
Yup. $500 registration here for a $20,000 car.

Gray Davis rules!

The law raising the Car Tax was signed by Pete Wilson, a year before Grey Davis took office. This has been a ticking time bomb, waiting to go off.
The electorate has a short attention and memory span.
Pete Wilson is directing the committee to Elect Ahnold. He has a large portion of Wilson's staff as well. Draw your own concussion er...., conclusion.
Blame Davis if you want, but you've got the wrong guy.

No, the people voted to do away with the car tax a few years ago during Davis's first administration. He brought it back now. How is this Pete Wilson's fault?

Don't try to reason with him. The Democrat strategy is to blame every bonehead move they enacted into law on the Republicans. Everything is Wilson's fault (along with the dreaded Right Wing conspiracy).

And Gray is still going down. Hehe.

 

[Ranger X]

I heard a radio commercial saying the reason to buy a new car NOW before October is to avoid the tripled car registration cost. Haha, what a way to bank on CA's misfortune.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Amused

Reducing property taxes is part of what put California in the budget problems it is currently in. Prop 13 limited the yearly increases on property taxes, and made it much more reliant on income taxes as a result. With the drop in income taxes (because of the generally poor economy for the past couple of years), California just hasn't been able to collect as much as it projected.

Oh BS! Prop 13 stopped the percentage increase in property taxes. It did NOT stop the increase that comes as property values increase and increases in the number of property owners, thus property taxes will rise with inflation and need for services. What does this mean? It means that unless you increase spending with more programs, there is NO NEED to raise taxes on anything else.

It always amazes me how liberals completely misunderstand how taxes work. They are a %, not a fixed fee. Therefore there is NO EXCUSE for raising them. NONE. As inflation and property values rise, so will the revenue. The ONLY reason to raise the % rate is to cover extra spending. Therefore if your population demads no tax increases, you obviously cannot raise the spending levels by adding more and more social programs.

Actually as someone who agrees with this law I am going to have to correct you.

Prop 13 LOCKS your assesed value at the price you paid to buy it. You buy a house for 100K and as long as you own the house you pay taxes on 100K.

The reason that this law went into effect was because counties were assesing homes at a much higher value than the house was worth, to increase tax revenue. So if the budget could be a little short you just send out the property assesor and BAM 10% increase in prop tax revenue.

Prop 13 eliminated the coruption in the collection in property tax. It was and still is a good law.

 

[OutHouse]

i love colorado. just sent in my registration check last week.

118 bucks to register a 1995 GMC K1500 and a 1995 Geo Prizm LSI. :lips:

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Amused

Reducing property taxes is part of what put California in the budget problems it is currently in. Prop 13 limited the yearly increases on property taxes, and made it much more reliant on income taxes as a result. With the drop in income taxes (because of the generally poor economy for the past couple of years), California just hasn't been able to collect as much as it projected.

Oh BS! Prop 13 stopped the percentage increase in property taxes. It did NOT stop the increase that comes as property values increase and increases in the number of property owners, thus property taxes will rise with inflation and need for services. What does this mean? It means that unless you increase spending with more programs, there is NO NEED to raise taxes on anything else.

It always amazes me how liberals completely misunderstand how taxes work. They are a %, not a fixed fee. Therefore there is NO EXCUSE for raising them. NONE. As inflation and property values rise, so will the revenue. The ONLY reason to raise the % rate is to cover extra spending. Therefore if your population demads no tax increases, you obviously cannot raise the spending levels by adding more and more social programs.

Actually as someone who agrees with this law I am going to have to correct you.

Prop 13 LOCKS your assesed value at the price you paid to buy it. You buy a house for 100K and as long as you own the house you pay taxes on 100K.

The reason that this law went into effect was because counties were assesing homes at a much higher value than the house was worth, to increase tax revenue. So if the budget could be a little short you just send out the property assesor and BAM 10% increase in prop tax revenue.

Prop 13 eliminated the coruption in the collection in property tax. It was and still is a good law.

That sounds good to me. Wish my county did that. 2 years ago my property value was accessed and went up 45K!!! no way in hell is my house is worth as much as the county accessors office says it is.

 

[JulesMaximus]

For all you "I pay $80 a year for my 1982 Volvo and it's too bad for you people who own nice cars" think of it this way. You buy a $25k car (which I consider to be an average price for a decent car-nothing real fancy, just decent reliable transportation-I have a Nissan Maxima which I actually paid less than this for) and it costs you $1937.50 in sales tax and then you pay another $500 in registration fees (2%-it's actually higher than this though), then the following year it costs you $400 to reregister your car, the year after that roughly $300, $250, $200. So you keep it 5 years and it costs you $3587.50 just in taxes! That's a 14% tax on cars! Do you think you would agree to this if the legislature in your state tried to jam you with fees like this?

Luxury car owners get it even worse. They pay a luxury tax plus sales tax plus the high registration fee! For the same little blue sticker on your 1982 Volvo. What is wrong with this picture?

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Ophir
Yup. $500 registration here for a $20,000 car.

Gray Davis rules!

The law raising the Car Tax was signed by Pete Wilson, a year before Grey Davis took office. This has been a ticking time bomb, waiting to go off.
The electorate has a short attention and memory span.
Pete Wilson is directing the committee to Elect Ahnold. He has a large portion of Wilson's staff as well. Draw your own concussion er...., conclusion.
Blame Davis if you want, but you've got the wrong guy.

No, the people voted to do away with the car tax a few years ago during Davis's first administration. He brought it back now. How is this Pete Wilson's fault?

Don't try to reason with him. The Democrat strategy is to blame every bonehead move they enacted into law on the Republicans. Everything is Wilson's fault (along with the dreaded Right Wing conspiracy).

And Gray is still going down. Hehe.

Really, reason doesn't work? You might try it sometime instead of ASSumption.
If someone can provide corroboration, I'm willing to read and learn. I might even change my mind, but it's going to have to be proven and not simply "just because I said so." UNlike you, I am willing to say "I had it wrong" or "I had forgotten that".

And as far as I know, the election re-do hasn't been held yet.
You all were so sure "Lyin' Simon" was a shoe in as I recall. Riordan or Ahnold should've run then, you wouldn't be having this situation now.
BTW, Wilson and company IS on Ahnold's staff. So much for "New Blood" in the Governor's office.

< Not a Democrat but registered to vote for over 28 years , so what do you know!?!

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: Citrix
i love colorado. just sent in my registration check last week.

118 bucks to register a 1995 GMC K1500 and a 1995 Geo Prizm LSI. :lips:

If bustamante gets elected, i'm seriously going to start checking for IT jobs in Colorado. I'm not big on shoveling snow, but it's a great place for mtn. biking!

 

[bsobel]

Just clearing up a couple misconceptions in the thread....

Prop 13 LOCKS your assesed value at the price you paid to buy it. You buy a house for 100K and as long as you own the house you pay taxes on 100K.

No, it doesn't lock your value at 100k. It locks the base from which the new taxes can be calculated and caps them at a reasonable rate per year.

The law raising the Car Tax was signed by Pete Wilson, a year before Grey Davis took office. This has been a ticking time bomb, waiting to go off.

Wilson (e.g. the replublicans) attempted to repeal this tax completely. The democractic senate would not pass the bill and came up with a compromise. The VLF would be 'offset' by a VLF rebate until certain conditions where met (like a budget shortfall). If Wilson's original bill had passed reintroducing this tax would have required a public vote (which would not have passed, period).

bustamante

He's a complete and utter racist. It's embarrassing he was ever elected in this state. We are talking about a lt gov. who believe "For the Race, everything. For those outside the Race, nothing". And by race, we are refering to hispanics. If your thinking of voting for him, I suggest you learn a bit about MEChA. There is no way in hell I'd vote for David Duke and there is no way in hell I'll vote for Bustamante.

Bill