I'd be extremely pissed off if I were you too, even if they can legally avoid telling you the limit up front under whatever ass-backwards US law protects them.
fvck you a$$hole. When you pay for high speed internet, you expect to get whatever you want to download fast.
For all intensive purposes your internet experience is limited. Have you ever been to a country where you have to pay by the MB? They have a completely different experience than someone who has unlimited bandwidth.
Agreed on the different experience. But again, the limit is not on the internet. The limit is on the users connection. There is a clear distinction there.
neutralizer
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Originally posted by: Nebor
What the hell is an "intensive purpose?"
You know what he meant, "for all intents and purposes."
I would say to stop downloading warez but I'm sure someone else said that.
ISP's are like webhosts... they don't really want people to use their services and will harrass those who actually do despite the fact that they paid for that service. They are about collecting payments.
Why should an ISP advertise 3Mps or 6Mps service and then get upset when you actually use it?
ISP's are like webhosts... they don't really want people to use their services and will harrass those who actually do despite the fact that they paid for that service. They are about collecting payments.
Why should an ISP advertise 3Mps or 6Mps service and then get upset when you actually use it?
dont listen to SOB sysadmins, they will ALWAYS take the ISP side.... Funny thing all they do all they is use their internet connection for non work purposes....
Cliffs: wah.
I have a truly unlimited account- others on my ISP download up to 650GB a month and no-one's ever been cut off.
I have a truly unlimited account- others on my ISP download up to 650GB a month and no-one's ever been cut off.
ultimatebob
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I think that spidey is a network admin, so you know damn well that he's going to take the ISP's side.
Anyway... If the service agreement for your ISP doesn't have any bandwidth limits listed in writing, you just might have grounds for a small claims court case against them. Just keep in mind that they might have logs of what you downloaded, so I wouldn't be going to court if they can show a history of you downloading 50 GB worth of donkey pr0n last month
I read the whole thing. Guess some of you youngsters have a short attention span?
As to cable company. Give em he!!
erikistired
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i think it's less backwards laws and more they simply don't have a set limit, it's totally on a case by case basis.
blckgrffn
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Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I think that spidey is a network admin, so you know damn well that he's going to take the ISP's side.
Anyway... If the service agreement for your ISP doesn't have any bandwidth limits listed in writing, you just might have grounds for a small claims court case against them. Just keep in mind that they might have logs of what you downloaded, so I wouldn't be going to court if they can show a history of you downloading 50 GB worth of donkey pr0n last month
For the record I am a network/security architect consultant that builds and designs network communication systems and have been doing so for the last 13 years. Please don't call me an admin.
The point is 30 bucks only gets you so much with this ISP and if you want more you have to pay for it. Networks are very expensive on the operations/expense side (the gear is a small portion of the cost with most of the cost ongoing expense and maintenance). What that means is even though the network is built out it costs even more money to operate it.
I'll say again that 50 GB a month is a large amount of traffic and businesses with thousands of employees hardly move that much a month.
If you want more, then pay for it.
Most cable ISPs won't suspend your account unless you're affecting other people's bandwidth in your area. You must be dragging a LOT of files.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I think that spidey is a network admin, so you know damn well that he's going to take the ISP's side.
Anyway... If the service agreement for your ISP doesn't have any bandwidth limits listed in writing, you just might have grounds for a small claims court case against them. Just keep in mind that they might have logs of what you downloaded, so I wouldn't be going to court if they can show a history of you downloading 50 GB worth of donkey pr0n last month
For the record I am a network/security architect consultant that builds and designs network communication systems and have been doing so for the last 13 years. Please don't call me an admin.
The point is 30 bucks only gets you so much with this ISP and if you want more you have to pay for it. Networks are very expensive on the operations/expense side (the gear is a small portion of the cost with most of the cost ongoing expense and maintenance). What that means is even though the network is built out it costs even more money to operate it.
I'll say again that 50 GB a month is a large amount of traffic and businesses with thousands of employees hardly move that much a month.
If you want more, then pay for it.
Hmm... I work at a business with thousands of employees, and 30gb+ daily is common. Hell, on any given day we have 2 million emails traversing our exchange servers, if you assume that they are text only then that is 19gb right there.
Add in on top of that, video conferencing, web surfing, software development files transferred back and forth cross country.... Oh you must mean like thousands of employees in a factory, where 98% have no internet access.
This section is what makes it somehow legal for them to do as you said and not have to warn you... I think your only option is to check laws for Pennsylvania (that's where you are, I am hoping?)
16. Customer shall use reasonable efforts to minimize unnecessary network traffic and interference with the work of other users of interconnected networks. BRC and PTD reserve the right to terminate service, if in PTD & BRC?s sole determination customer utilizes excessive bandwidth
19. This agreement is and shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania applicable to agreements made and performed in Pennsylvania. Any cause of action of a Customer or its designated user with respect to the Service must be instituted within one year after the claim or cause of action has arisen or be barred.
16. Customer shall use reasonable efforts to minimize unnecessary network traffic and interference with the work of other users of interconnected networks. BRC and PTD reserve the right to terminate service, if in PTD & BRC?s sole determination customer utilizes excessive bandwidth
19. This agreement is and shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania applicable to agreements made and performed in Pennsylvania. Any cause of action of a Customer or its designated user with respect to the Service must be instituted within one year after the claim or cause of action has arisen or be barred.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I think that spidey is a network admin, so you know damn well that he's going to take the ISP's side.
Anyway... If the service agreement for your ISP doesn't have any bandwidth limits listed in writing, you just might have grounds for a small claims court case against them. Just keep in mind that they might have logs of what you downloaded, so I wouldn't be going to court if they can show a history of you downloading 50 GB worth of donkey pr0n last month
For the record I am a network/security architect consultant that builds and designs network communication systems and have been doing so for the last 13 years. Please don't call me an admin.
The point is 30 bucks only gets you so much with this ISP and if you want more you have to pay for it. Networks are very expensive on the operations/expense side (the gear is a small portion of the cost with most of the cost ongoing expense and maintenance). What that means is even though the network is built out it costs even more money to operate it.
I'll say again that 50 GB a month is a large amount of traffic and businesses with thousands of employees hardly move that much a month.
If you want more, then pay for it.
With guys like this as Commanders of the Internets, it's no wonder the U.S. is falling fast.
spidey only runs the internet from web pages from anandtech, that's how he keeps under 10 megs per month! The guy at Best Buy told him he needed 4 gigs of memory and the best video card so he can get download the internet on his computer. Sounds common like a lot of my neighbors who I would call average home users.
I pay for cable internet and easily use 50 gigs per month. The average home user probably doesn't come close to that but especially younger generations and more technical users can reach that download cap in just a few days. It may be a stupid download cap for us, but it is helping out to protect against spam, illegal downloads, and excessive costs for the provider.
They should have been more helpful however, because the attitude you described is what really needs to be fixed. And they should be required to post their bandwidth cap publicly. I would definately make a complaint to your cable company, the customer service company, and other regulators. They still reserve the right to cut your service if they deem you are using excessive bandwidth though.
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