The same goes for California corporations and governments. Even so, a highly-paid individual (e.g. $250,000) could walk away with a substantial sum on termination if he or she is maxed on vacation and comp time.
Zebo
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Not really that high. Plenty of college professors and state professionals make over 200K. Hell some prison guards do with OT. Totally unsustainable as Tax payers are disappearing and/or getting wage cuts themselves.
Zebo
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First of all he won't be fired. You can't fire state employees willy nilly. Which get's to the the heart of this matter and that is the Public vs Private pay and benefit gap which is large. This growing differential between public and private sector compensation and benefits will be addressed, mathmatically it has to be as private sector workers take continual hits.
Looming public pension deficits in almost every state and municipality will not be addressed by tax increases while everyone elses own retirement prospects circle the drain and they get wage cuts, trust me on that.
Heh. If California's government doesn't have enough money to pay their bills, they'll be in default no matter what the constitution says.
What is a creditor going to do, sue? :awe:
StinkyPinky
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Good for him. He worked his ass off and never took vacation time. While other workers were sunning themselves on the beach he was working. Now he's rewarded.
don't see the problem
Not his fault the state doesn't force him to take vacation time.
don't see the problem
Not his fault the state doesn't force him to take vacation time.
My girlfriends company and her moms company are both private companies and both allow their employees to rack up as much vacation time as they can. The employees can use it all on one giant vacation or cash it out. I have one other friend that works for a private companie which has the same policy, cant remember it off the top of my head though.
I feel the same way. This guy didnt cheat his way into this money, he never took vacations and just cashed all his time out at the end. Its CAs fault for letting it happen.
I hate it when media takes a few extreme examples and paint a totally distorted pictures to sell their stories. But looking at CA state finances, I would not be surprised that CA state employees are being paid (salary+pension+vacation pay...etc) at a scale out of line with the market.
Does anyone have a link to how much CA state spends on their state employees (on per employee basis)? I would rather look at some non-sensational source, and see how out of line their pays are. Those info should be the first thing all you CA tax payer look at when the state finance is collapsing. It would suck when all the state employees sit there and collects tons of money from their benefits when everything else is being cut. But it would suck also if media paints an unfair picture using a few extreme examples and those state employees get blamed unfairly.
Does anyone have a link to how much CA state spends on their state employees (on per employee basis)? I would rather look at some non-sensational source, and see how out of line their pays are. Those info should be the first thing all you CA tax payer look at when the state finance is collapsing. It would suck when all the state employees sit there and collects tons of money from their benefits when everything else is being cut. But it would suck also if media paints an unfair picture using a few extreme examples and those state employees get blamed unfairly.
Imagine what it would cost to hire a few more doctors. Then the state would have to pay the malpractice insurance on the additional doctors. This probably saved the state over a million $$ in ten years or so. Does not sound that bad. An experienced doctor is probably worth more than 3 interns. Maybe this is just an exception to the rule. The state probably asked him to keep working without vacation time and told him they would pay it when he retired.
Dont know how things work in California, but I could see this happening.
I think you are just jealous. When you take your vacation this year I hope you enjoy it.
Dont know how things work in California, but I could see this happening.
I think you are just jealous. When you take your vacation this year I hope you enjoy it.
Atreus21
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If I got that kind of payout on termination, I think I'd happily be the resident proctologist.
olds
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Isnt vacation time supposed to be funded? Which is one of the reasons why private organizations are pretty aggressive on the use it or lose it rules? In MN a few years ago a super for a suburb school district had about 1 million in vacation time saved over a 20-30 year career.
rudder
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Here is what will happen. People will be pissed over the money. The State will change rules and make it unattractive for any physician to replace this guy. The state will be forced to contract out this work and probably pay 2 -3X what they paid the retiree.
olds
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Here is what is actually going to happen in CA.
Pension reform will take place. They will reduce the pensions for new hires. People will still apply but not the more intelligent ones. They can make more in the private sector.
So, in order to attract more qualified applicants, they will have to raise pay. When they raise pay for new applicants, they will also have to raise the pay a like amount for the workers under the previous system.
End result, no savings.
This isn't rocket science but state employees are a fair and fun target.
Twenty years ago when I started with the state, I did so knowing I would be paid less than my private worker counterparts. I did so willingly because I knew the end result was a more secure retirement and that I would have a better vacation plan. That was an acceptable trade off for me.
In those twenty years I have worked in miserable conditions with low bid (junk) equipment. I have worked most Christmas' and New Years'. Almost exclusively on the night shift. When it storms, we work 12 hours on and 12 hours off. Seven days a week. For however long the storm lasts. 33 days was the longest stretch for me. We are not allowed to take time off during the winter because they need everyone on to cover 24 hour operations.
In the spring and summer, they block out weeks to months at a time for no time off so they can fix the winter damage. Paving, shoulders, etc. So that vacation time starts adding up.
Then they furlough us but make us work the furlough days and bank them. Now we have vacation time building up along with the furlough time. We are also able to take 75 hours of comp time in lieu of overtime. (OT in snow country is 200 - 800 hours a year depending on where you work) We have to use furlough time before we use vacation. I haven't touched my vacation time in over a year.
I also pay taxes, just like all the outraged taxpayers.
Personally, I think arnie should have just cut the budget of every department 10% and let the department heads find where they wanted to make the cuts.
If that wasn't enough then he should have started lay offs.
Instead, he wanted to grandstand and dick around. Now that we knocked that dick into the dirt, his ego won't allow him to let go.
Pension reform will take place. They will reduce the pensions for new hires. People will still apply but not the more intelligent ones. They can make more in the private sector.
So, in order to attract more qualified applicants, they will have to raise pay. When they raise pay for new applicants, they will also have to raise the pay a like amount for the workers under the previous system.
End result, no savings.
This isn't rocket science but state employees are a fair and fun target.
Twenty years ago when I started with the state, I did so knowing I would be paid less than my private worker counterparts. I did so willingly because I knew the end result was a more secure retirement and that I would have a better vacation plan. That was an acceptable trade off for me.
In those twenty years I have worked in miserable conditions with low bid (junk) equipment. I have worked most Christmas' and New Years'. Almost exclusively on the night shift. When it storms, we work 12 hours on and 12 hours off. Seven days a week. For however long the storm lasts. 33 days was the longest stretch for me. We are not allowed to take time off during the winter because they need everyone on to cover 24 hour operations.
In the spring and summer, they block out weeks to months at a time for no time off so they can fix the winter damage. Paving, shoulders, etc. So that vacation time starts adding up.
Then they furlough us but make us work the furlough days and bank them. Now we have vacation time building up along with the furlough time. We are also able to take 75 hours of comp time in lieu of overtime. (OT in snow country is 200 - 800 hours a year depending on where you work) We have to use furlough time before we use vacation. I haven't touched my vacation time in over a year.
I also pay taxes, just like all the outraged taxpayers.
Personally, I think arnie should have just cut the budget of every department 10% and let the department heads find where they wanted to make the cuts.
If that wasn't enough then he should have started lay offs.
Instead, he wanted to grandstand and dick around. Now that we knocked that dick into the dirt, his ego won't allow him to let go.
Its almost like there is a difference between someone working a large organization and a small business. Maybe you can go find a 4th grader to help you figure it out.
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