but....who will build the roads?

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yet another false dichotomy thread.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Wagon trails? :biggrin: You know they weren't roads, right? And you know that they were created by wagons just going over the same path over and over again, right? And you know that most were just following old Indian trails, right? You know there's a reason they were called trails and not roads, right?

Wow, you might be more dumb than A420.

So instead of thinking it through you just regress. Nice but typical.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Yet another false dichotomy thread.

Explain.

 

[Capt Caveman]

So instead of thinking it through you just regress. Nice but typical.

It's called knowing the history of American Westward Expansion. Something, you are obviously ignorant about. And guess what, real westward expansion did not occure til the Transcontinental Railroad and government roads were built. You are hilarious. :biggrin:

 

[NoStateofMind]

It's called knowing the history of American Westward Expansion. Something, you are obviously ignorant about. And guess what, real westward expansion did not occure til the Transcontinental Railroad and government roads were built. You are hilarious. :biggrin:

I'm not only hilarious but also able to use objective thought. Something you sorely lack. Don't worry though there's MANY like you so you have company.

 

[sandorski]

Idealists are cute.

 

[monovillage]

Well you'll still need someone to run the bidding process, a bunch of people really if you're picking talking about local contractors for all the projects. And presumably they'll need salary, if they're to coordinate all the bidding processes around the country.

Along with the union parasites, the community leeches, public interest scum, lawyers and the other bottom feeders to make sure they all get their cut of the pie. That way we can turn a $300,000 project into a $4 million dollar boondoggle.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I'm not only hilarious but also able to use objective thought. Something you sorely lack. Don't worry though there's MANY like you so you have company.

LOL. Sorry for proving you wrong and making this thread useless. :biggrin:

If you don't know history, don't use it.

 

[monovillage]

LOL. Sorry for proving you wrong and making this thread useless. :biggrin:

If you don't know history, don't use it.

That's right, the 1849 California Gold Rush never happened.

 

[NoStateofMind]

LOL. Sorry for proving you wrong and making this thread useless. :biggrin:

LMFAO! Of course its useless to statist buffoons like you. That's not a revelation its a fact.

If you don't know history, don't use it.

Don't have a brain don't try to use it? :biggrin:

 

[Capt Caveman]

That's right, the 1849 California Gold Rush never happened.

Who said it didn't happen? And how long did that last? And what did the Transcontinental Railroad do for American Westward Expansion? What were the numbers that moved out west before and after?

 

[Capt Caveman]

LMFAO! Of course its useless to statist buffoons like you. That's not a revelation its a fact.



Don't have a brain don't try to use it? :biggrin:

So, basically you have no proof other than some folks that repaired a bridge in Hawaii to prove your point? Thanks for playing.

 

[NoStateofMind]

So, basically you have no proof other than some folks that repaired a bridge in Hawaii to prove your point?

What point do you think I'm trying to make? You've had it wrong up until now so I'm sure you'll either

A. Not answer
B. Answer incorrectly

Thanks for playing.

You never got in the ring.

 

[monovillage]

Who said it didn't happen? And how long did that last? And what did the Transcontinental Railroad do for American Westward Expansion? What were the numbers that moved out west before and after?

Capt Caveman said : "And guess what, real westward expansion did not occure til the Transcontinental Railroad and government roads were built."

Which is inaccurate, as in wrong. You probably don't even know about the western expansion through the Cumberland gap and who led it. Don't double down on stupid, you were wrong.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Who said it didn't happen?

You just ignore it.

And how long did that last?

WTF does that have to do with the thread?

And what did the Transcontinental Railroad do for American Westward Expansion?

What does that have to do with this thread?

What were the numbers that moved out west before and after?

Do you normally make up your own arguments to "win"? Seems so.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

It'd probably be a lot less expensive than giving our money to bureaucrats to spend after they take their own cut.

In many cases it would absolutely be less expensive.


http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Bay-Bridge-cost-driven-up-by-politics-4778352.php

5 billion over budget, 9 years late.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Explain.

Back in the Depression we had people who were unemployed and paid to do work. That was their job. Today we just hand people checks, but what does not exist is a sufficient number of people who do not have to earn a living and can contribute the time to fix and maintain millions of miles of roads. That means a system needs to be in place to do so. We have people who can do minor repair and don't use them and we have those who think we can just have the infrastructure done by the equivalent of fire brigades.

Instead I think we can use people who want to help, have those who are getting paid to do nothing do something, and hire professionals for the rest. Nothing is mutually exclusive here.

 

[TheSlamma]

True. Now only if we can pick someone to manage and coordinate the projects on our behalf.

Just find an HOA

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Idealists are cute.

There is nothing that reeks like idealism then blind faith in politicians and bureaucrats.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Capt Caveman said : "And guess what, real westward expansion did not occure til the Transcontinental Railroad and government roads were built."

Which is inaccurate, as in wrong. You probably don't even know about the western expansion through the Cumberland gap and who led it. Don't double down on stupid, you were wrong.

No. I'm guessing you don't understand what I meant by real westward expansion. The numbers that migrated to the west afterwards, proves my point.

 

[sandorski]

There is nothing that reeks like idealism then blind faith in politicians and bureaucrats.

Who is talking about Blind Faith? Holding the position that Government is not needed is what is Blind Faith.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Back in the Depression we had people who were unemployed and paid to do work. That was their job. Today we just hand people checks, but what does not exist is a sufficient number of people who do not have to earn a living and can contribute the time to fix and maintain millions of miles of roads. That means a system needs to be in place to do so. We have people who can do minor repair and don't use them and we have those who think we can just have the infrastructure done by the equivalent of fire brigades.

Instead I think we can use people who want to help, have those who are getting paid to do nothing do something, and hire professionals for the rest. Nothing is mutually exclusive here.

Well you have to consider that just giving people money via mailed or electronically deposited unemployment checks and handing out food via EBT cards is that evidence of the systemic failures by government is for all intense purposes hidden from the general public.

Hence it is easier for politicians, governments and central banks to mask the misery of their often ill thought of social and economic policies from the general public which would in the past seen with their own eyes long soup kitchen and bread lines forming or long lines of unemployed people looking for work. So today people are given money to keep them quiet, docile, dependent and unseen.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Who is talking about Blind Faith? Holding the position that Government is not needed is what is Blind Faith.

I don't think anyone is saying that (well, aside from that anarchist guy). But government isn't needed for near as much as many seem to think it is.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Who is talking about Blind Faith? Holding the position that Government is not needed is what is Blind Faith.

Where did I say that government was not needed at all? Oh yeah you just pulled that out of your ass.

However I would state for myself that for the vast majority of society, having a broad and overreaching government presence in almost every aspect of their life is not required or needed. That government often is the would-be patient zero of societal and economic problems that are spread around as government grows and grows and attempts to justify its uncontrolled growth at the expense of other people's ability to do without or motivation to do for themselves.

 

[monovillage]

No. I'm guessing you don't understand what I meant by real westward expansion. The numbers that migrated to the west afterwards, proves my point.

The only point you're proving is that you're ignorant as well as stupid, but keep on digging.