But there's no reasoning with the elderly on...

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
There are many good people here in america.

These people just haven't woken up yet I guess,

I hope what you say is true before it gets any worse though Zeb, but a positive attitude is all we can have as far as I can see.

*fingers crossed*

still won't stop me from pointing out the callousness and inhuman, unchristian ways they preach.

Yeah...Their only real hope is to bankrupt the government, which they are trying to do since Reagan..But that will backfire on them like you've never seen before. Instead of 70 years of democratic rule, you'll have 140 years.

:beer:

I hope so, you'd think we had them sorted last time when the media had enough balls to nail nixon's sorry ass.

but then enter bozo the jellybean eating braindead huckster/actor and his neocon clones.


some fun raygun quotes, just for cad,


"...a faceless mass, waiting for handouts." ?Reagan, '65, describing Medicaid recipients.

"Facts are stupid things.." ?Reagan, '88

"Because Vietnam was not a declared war, the veterans are not even eligible for the G. I. Bill of Rights with respect to education or anything." ?Reagan, '80

"Taxes should hurt. I just mailed my own tax return last night and I am prepared to say 'ouch!' as loud as anyone." ?Reagan, '70, after approving California's largest tax increase in history. Reporters soon pointed out that Reagan didn't pay a cent on state taxes that year. For all his talk about shrinking government, California's state budget more than doubled under his governorship, from $4.6 billion to $10.2 billion.

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." ?Reagan '81

"I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964." ?Reagan, '66

"80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees." ?Reagan, '79

"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." ?Reagan, Mar. '87

"They are the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers." ?Reagan, '85, referring to the brutal Contra rebels in Nicaragua, who indiscriminately attacked civilians.

"If there has to be a bloodbath, then let's get it over with." ?Reagan, '69, prior to having national guard soldiers break up a peaceful protest on the UC Berkeley campus. The protesters were teargassed and fired upon with buckshot, killing one protester and wounding at least 128 others.

"I know all the bad things that happened in that war. I was in uniform for four years myself." ?Reagan, '85, justifying laying a wreath at a Nazi cemetery in Bitburg. Reagan spent WWII in Hollywood, making films. -a liar

"...an example to the world of the ideals we hold most dear, the ideals of freedom and independence." ?Reagan, '85, praising the Afghan Mujahaddin. These "freedom fighters" included prominent leaders of Al Qaeda, such as Osama Bin Laden, as well as many of the leaders for the Taliban. :|


and people wonder how the righties in here excuse bush's idiocy. look at the neocons granddaddy hero, fox may have fooled some, but people remember.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Cad, if you were talking to me in person like this, I'd just call you out. You must feel really important/special being able to talk so tough without having to back it up.

<- trembling.

First it was red trying to intimidate me - now you. I'm so terrified I think I might.... :roll:

OK, call me out I really don't care. I have provided plenty to back it up. You just don't like it and just want to call me names. Well, whatever helps you feel better about your entitlement attitude. *shrug*

CsG

Last time I looked, calling somebody a thief qualifies as "calling names". I guess it makes you feel better. I'm just pointing out that if this were a face to face meeting, i'd call you out for it. I really could care less if your trembling or not, but you would learn a lesson about manners, of which your parents appear to have been very lax in teaching you.

& <-small violin playing for you too.

Last time I checked - saying you advocate stealing is not calling you a thief, but I'm fine with that if you insist. I'll even go one further. You are a thief. Happy now?

Buahahaha - yeah, manners and respect. I can see how much respect you have for the efforts of others when you advocate the theft of their earning's to give to others because they are old. I'm quite sure my parents are quite proud of how I turned out as I am respectful of those who have earned respect and my manners are above standard. However, the thing is - just because you don't like my POV doesn't mean I have bad manners. However,I'm quite sure alot of people would think your rush to physical intimidation wouldn't be considered good manners.

*shrug*

CsG

Let's see, you claim two people have tried to intimidate you. Do you think maybe it's something your doing?? Nah, your perfect, right??

Since we're in the name calling mood, now it's my turn. Your just another brownnoseing yes man. Your one of the biggest hypocrites it's ever been my misfortune to talk with. You want to infer that SS is a welfare program, but you have no plan on how to fix the situation except to give you money and let the elderly starve or die of disease. It's easy to complain and whine, but if you want any respect from people, you have to have earn it. Maybe if you were would be willing to came up with plan besidfe the self-serving one you support it would be differnt, but YOU AIN"T GOT ONE. You can take your "to hell with everyone else" attitude and put it where the sun don't shine.

If you need any help with that last part, just let me know. I'd be more then happy to give you a helping hand.

I'm not sure why two people think they need to play e-thug, but since you were one of them - why do you do that?

Ah, but there again you'd be wrong. I have offered my ideas and solutions on this forum regarding SS.

Care to make an even bigger ass of yourself by ranting away?

CsG

If you consider trying to do whats right for the elderly is "ranting", then no problem. You have no plan except to piss and moan about how your getting the short end of the stick. I have a ton of ideas, but there is no sense going into them at this time because I DON"T TRUST BUSH OR HIS FANBOIS to do the right thing!!. When the time is right I will have plenty to contribute.

Your the one who started this flame bait thread, let's hear your grand scheme.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Anybody who repeatedly calls me a thief is going to be in trouble in a face to face encounter. Simple as that.

I do believe I said you advocate the theft. But hey, if you and red need to resort to physical intimidation because you run out of substance - then so be it...

<- trembling

CsG

:roll:
First of all how do you physically intimidate someone over the Internet? Secondly I know I never threatened you, all I said is why don't you respond to me here like you would in person. I think you are just being extremely petty especially when I was trying to engage you in an honest and frank conversation without the little insults and innuendos. In fact I thought we kind of came to a meeting of the minds regarding this topic, you know that the best thing to come out of this situation is that the issue of correcting SS was turned into a major issue.

I do know that one side accusing the Baby Boomers and Elderly of being at fault and the other side calling Gen X a bunch of spoiled selfish brats isn't going to accomplish a damn thing.

Your right Red. I apologize to any Gen X people who read that. It was specifally intended for the people I was arguing with. I in no way shape or form meant it for anyone else. It was directed at a few "bad apples".

 

[Zebo]

What gets me is these assets gen-xer get the advantege of the previous generations built with thier tax dollars some gen-xers tend to forget. Aircraft carriers have a 40 year life, port facilities, air traffic control, hydroelectric dams, communications satellites, R&D into a vast array of technologies such as radar and semiconductors, thier education both primary and college and our place in the world is all due to senior citizens today recieving benfits. Who's being selfish again?

They took care of us now the younger gen who recieves full benefit of thier labors, sweat, and even lives, does'nt want to take of them when they can't take care of themselves.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Zebo
What gets me is these assets gen-xer get the advantege of the previous generations built with thier tax dollars some gen-xers tend to forget. Aircraft carriers have a 40 year life, port facilities, air traffic control, hydroelectric dams, communications satellites, R&D into a vast array of technologies such as radar and semiconductors, thier education both primary and college and our place in the world is all due to senior citizens today recieving benfits. Who's being selfish again?

They took care of us now the younger gen who recieves full benefit of thier labors, sweat, and even lives, does'nt want to take of them when they can't take care of themselves.

As a Baby Boomer I see your point. But isn't the duty of the Older Generation to pave the way for the younger genenrations who follow them?

I can understand why they don't want to have to pay for something they may nmot see themselves. I don't think it's their intention (well for most of them) to screw the Older Generation, just to find a way so they don't get screwed themselves.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Zebo
What gets me is these assets gen-xer get the advantege of the previous generations built with thier tax dollars some gen-xers tend to forget. Aircraft carriers have a 40 year life, port facilities, air traffic control, hydroelectric dams, communications satellites, R&D into a vast array of technologies such as radar and semiconductors, thier education both primary and college and our place in the world is all due to senior citizens today recieving benfits. Who's being selfish again?

They took care of us now the younger gen who recieves full benefit of thier labors, sweat, and even lives, does'nt want to take of them when they can't take care of themselves.

As a Baby Boomer I see your point. But isn't the duty of the Older Generation to pave the way for the younger genenrations who follow them?

I can understand why they don't want to have to pay for something they may nmot see themselves. I don't think it's their intention (well for most of them) to screw the Older Generation, just to find a way so they don't get screwed themselves.

Actually my intentions are to not screw the generation behind me. I honestly wouldnt care if they dropped me from rolls just as long as they dont continue upping the taxes ,require people to qualify, and make the damned thing solvent.

Of course I would prefer that some of the tax they take from me to end up in a personal account for two reasons.

A. It will most likely make a higher return than Ill see in SS
B. The congress cant get their filthy hands on it.

The way we are going right now Ill see a 70% payout and have to pay 20% payroll taxes for it and it will only get worse for my kids.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Zebo
What gets me is these assets gen-xer get the advantege of the previous generations built with thier tax dollars some gen-xers tend to forget. Aircraft carriers have a 40 year life, port facilities, air traffic control, hydroelectric dams, communications satellites, R&D into a vast array of technologies such as radar and semiconductors, thier education both primary and college and our place in the world is all due to senior citizens today recieving benfits. Who's being selfish again?

They took care of us now the younger gen who recieves full benefit of thier labors, sweat, and even lives, does'nt want to take of them when they can't take care of themselves.

As a Baby Boomer I see your point. But isn't the duty of the Older Generation to pave the way for the younger genenrations who follow them?

I can understand why they don't want to have to pay for something they may nmot see themselves. I don't think it's their intention (well for most of them) to screw the Older Generation, just to find a way so they don't get screwed themselves.

Yea that's the arugument they make. They think private funds are more secure and offer more return. Fine let em' have it. But that still doe'snt change LOTS of people are going to need SS benefits that never paid in. Over half now is paid to people incompacitated (like blind) . The market goes belly up and would cause total catastrophe for even those that paid in.

No they want to elminate all ability to collect such benefit if you really ask them. Back to haves and have nots. But the problem is the public will not stand for such a system because needs will not be meet. So what you're really going to get out of this is a parallel system that costs MORE than if you let it be.

It's a disaster from the get go. 2 trillion more on the books to pay off your gen, then another SS system in future on an already crippling budget, primarly due to debt which will prolly comprise 11 trillion and eat 50% of our tax money when they are all done.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Zebo
What gets me is these assets gen-xer get the advantege of the previous generations built with thier tax dollars some gen-xers tend to forget. Aircraft carriers have a 40 year life, port facilities, air traffic control, hydroelectric dams, communications satellites, R&D into a vast array of technologies such as radar and semiconductors, thier education both primary and college and our place in the world is all due to senior citizens today recieving benfits. Who's being selfish again?

They took care of us now the younger gen who recieves full benefit of thier labors, sweat, and even lives, does'nt want to take of them when they can't take care of themselves.

As a Baby Boomer I see your point. But isn't the duty of the Older Generation to pave the way for the younger genenrations who follow them?

I can understand why they don't want to have to pay for something they may nmot see themselves. I don't think it's their intention (well for most of them) to screw the Older Generation, just to find a way so they don't get screwed themselves.

Yea that's the arugument they make. They think private funds are more secure and offer more return. Fine let em' have it. But that still doe'snt change LOTS of people are going to need SS benefits that never paid in. Over half now is paid to people incompacitated (like blind) . The market goes belly up and would cause total catastrophe for even those that paid in.

No they want to elminate all ability to collect such benefit if you really ask them. Back to haves and have nots. But the problem is the public will not stand for such a system because needs will not be meet. So what you're really going to get out of this is a parallel system that costs MORE than if you let it be.

It's a disaster from the get go. 2 trillion more on the books to pay off your gen, then another SS system in future on an already crippling budget, primarly due to debt which will prolly comprise 11 trillion and eat 50% of our tax money when they are all done.

Read the trustee report. We dont fix it now it will cost more to do it in 30 years. If we dont fix it at all where do you think they will come up with trillion dollar deficits just for SS?

Yeah that is right, my kids and the next generation get to be indoctrinated into the 90% effective tax rate club because nobody was brave enough to fix a system flawed from the getgo.

 

[Steeplerot]

suuure, and this is going to last how long until americas poulation takes a nosedive when the baby boomers are gone?

americans are creative, and if you quit the neocons spending frenzy there might be a way to do this without turning this place into a slum or gambling away our futures.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Zebo
What gets me is these assets gen-xer get the advantege of the previous generations built with thier tax dollars some gen-xers tend to forget. Aircraft carriers have a 40 year life, port facilities, air traffic control, hydroelectric dams, communications satellites, R&D into a vast array of technologies such as radar and semiconductors, thier education both primary and college and our place in the world is all due to senior citizens today recieving benfits. Who's being selfish again?

They took care of us now the younger gen who recieves full benefit of thier labors, sweat, and even lives, does'nt want to take of them when they can't take care of themselves.

As a Baby Boomer I see your point. But isn't the duty of the Older Generation to pave the way for the younger genenrations who follow them?

I can understand why they don't want to have to pay for something they may nmot see themselves. I don't think it's their intention (well for most of them) to screw the Older Generation, just to find a way so they don't get screwed themselves.

Yea that's the arugument they make. They think private funds are more secure and offer more return. Fine let em' have it. But that still doe'snt change LOTS of people are going to need SS benefits that never paid in. Over half now is paid to people incompacitated (like blind) . The market goes belly up and would cause total catastrophe for even those that paid in.

No they want to elminate all ability to collect such benefit if you really ask them. Back to haves and have nots. But the problem is the public will not stand for such a system because needs will not be meet. So what you're really going to get out of this is a parallel system that costs MORE than if you let it be.

It's a disaster from the get go. 2 trillion more on the books to pay off your gen, then another SS system in future on an already crippling budget, primarly due to debt which will prolly comprise 11 trillion and eat 50% of our tax money when they are all done.

That's why the Dub's solution isn't too popular. Like I said, it's good that it's been made a major issue, now we can go from here and see if we can come up with a solution that will satisfy most people. It won't be easy, I dare say the person or persons who come up with it will be well regarded in the History books.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Zebo
What gets me is these assets gen-xer get the advantege of the previous generations built with thier tax dollars some gen-xers tend to forget. Aircraft carriers have a 40 year life, port facilities, air traffic control, hydroelectric dams, communications satellites, R&D into a vast array of technologies such as radar and semiconductors, thier education both primary and college and our place in the world is all due to senior citizens today recieving benfits. Who's being selfish again?

They took care of us now the younger gen who recieves full benefit of thier labors, sweat, and even lives, does'nt want to take of them when they can't take care of themselves.

As a Baby Boomer I see your point. But isn't the duty of the Older Generation to pave the way for the younger genenrations who follow them?

I can understand why they don't want to have to pay for something they may nmot see themselves. I don't think it's their intention (well for most of them) to screw the Older Generation, just to find a way so they don't get screwed themselves.

Yea that's the arugument they make. They think private funds are more secure and offer more return. Fine let em' have it. But that still doe'snt change LOTS of people are going to need SS benefits that never paid in. Over half now is paid to people incompacitated (like blind) . The market goes belly up and would cause total catastrophe for even those that paid in.

No they want to elminate all ability to collect such benefit if you really ask them. Back to haves and have nots. But the problem is the public will not stand for such a system because needs will not be meet. So what you're really going to get out of this is a parallel system that costs MORE than if you let it be.

It's a disaster from the get go. 2 trillion more on the books to pay off your gen, then another SS system in future on an already crippling budget, primarly due to debt which will prolly comprise 11 trillion and eat 50% of our tax money when they are all done.

Read the trustee report. We dont fix it now it will cost more to do it in 30 years. If we dont fix it at all where do you think they will come up with trillion dollar deficits just for SS?

Yeah that is right, my kids and the next generation get to be indoctrinated into the 90% effective tax rate club because nobody was brave enough to fix a system flawed from the getgo.

I'll read it. You have a link? AFAIK we are running a surplus and owe the accounts someteen trillion. Plus you got lots of immigrants moving to USA... does it take those into account?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
suuure, and this is going to last how long until americas poulation takes a nosedive when the baby boomers are gone?

americans are creative, and if you quit the neocons spending frenzy there might be a way to do this without turning this place into a slum.

They arent forcasting favorable demographics for the next 70 years. When do you think it will suddenly turn around?

In 2080 when your great grand kids are faced with a 20 trillion dollar deficit from SS and Medicare I am sure they will be proud of the baby boomer generation.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Zebo
What gets me is these assets gen-xer get the advantege of the previous generations built with thier tax dollars some gen-xers tend to forget. Aircraft carriers have a 40 year life, port facilities, air traffic control, hydroelectric dams, communications satellites, R&D into a vast array of technologies such as radar and semiconductors, thier education both primary and college and our place in the world is all due to senior citizens today recieving benfits. Who's being selfish again?

They took care of us now the younger gen who recieves full benefit of thier labors, sweat, and even lives, does'nt want to take of them when they can't take care of themselves.

As a Baby Boomer I see your point. But isn't the duty of the Older Generation to pave the way for the younger genenrations who follow them?

I can understand why they don't want to have to pay for something they may nmot see themselves. I don't think it's their intention (well for most of them) to screw the Older Generation, just to find a way so they don't get screwed themselves.

Yea that's the arugument they make. They think private funds are more secure and offer more return. Fine let em' have it. But that still doe'snt change LOTS of people are going to need SS benefits that never paid in. Over half now is paid to people incompacitated (like blind) . The market goes belly up and would cause total catastrophe for even those that paid in.

No they want to elminate all ability to collect such benefit if you really ask them. Back to haves and have nots. But the problem is the public will not stand for such a system because needs will not be meet. So what you're really going to get out of this is a parallel system that costs MORE than if you let it be.

It's a disaster from the get go. 2 trillion more on the books to pay off your gen, then another SS system in future on an already crippling budget, primarly due to debt which will prolly comprise 11 trillion and eat 50% of our tax money when they are all done.

Read the trustee report. We dont fix it now it will cost more to do it in 30 years. If we dont fix it at all where do you think they will come up with trillion dollar deficits just for SS?

Yeah that is right, my kids and the next generation get to be indoctrinated into the 90% effective tax rate club because nobody was brave enough to fix a system flawed from the getgo.

I'll read it. You have a link? AFAIK we are running a surplus and owe the accounts someteen trillion. Plus you got lots of immigrants moving to USA... does it take those into account?

Ill send it to you in a PM when I can get home and open up my links. They layout the projected revenues vs outlays for the next 70 years and it isnt pretty.

There is a ~3 trillion dollar trust fund of T-Bills for SS but the problem is the govt has to buy the T-Bills from itself. In 2017-18 when the revenues turn into deficits they cash in the T-Bills to make up the difference. The problem is to make up the difference the govt has to buy back the T-Bills using either tax revenue or borrow more.

In about 3-4 years the revenues going into SS will start to decrease until 2018 when they will be neutral and eventually go negative for the forseeable future.

Immigration doesnt appear to play much part in stemming the tide of this problem. Not enough people compared to the current population. On avg we are seeing about 1% of our population come in as immigrants legal and illegal compared to the later 19th and early 20th where it was probably 10% a year or more.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
suuure, and this is going to last how long until americas poulation takes a nosedive when the baby boomers are gone?

americans are creative, and if you quit the neocons spending frenzy there might be a way to do this without turning this place into a slum.

They arent forcasting favorable demographics for the next 70 years. When do you think it will suddenly turn around?

In 2080 when your great grand kids are faced with a 20 trillion dollar deficit from SS and Medicare I am sure they will be proud of the baby boomer generation.

Hehe you havnt sen mexican families have you?

5-8 kids is normal.

 

[Steeplerot]

uh uh you aren't going to get a bite on that one. US must remain white, even though white folks do not have anywhere near as many kids nowdays.

*gasp* we'd have to become multi-cultural!

What would our forefathers say if we learned a language in schools besides the ones of the dominating english (who we had to fight off anyhow)

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Cad, if you were talking to me in person like this, I'd just call you out. You must feel really important/special being able to talk so tough without having to back it up.

<- trembling.

First it was red trying to intimidate me - now you. I'm so terrified I think I might.... :roll:

OK, call me out I really don't care. I have provided plenty to back it up. You just don't like it and just want to call me names. Well, whatever helps you feel better about your entitlement attitude. *shrug*

CsG

Last time I looked, calling somebody a thief qualifies as "calling names". I guess it makes you feel better. I'm just pointing out that if this were a face to face meeting, i'd call you out for it. I really could care less if your trembling or not, but you would learn a lesson about manners, of which your parents appear to have been very lax in teaching you.

& <-small violin playing for you too.

Last time I checked - saying you advocate stealing is not calling you a thief, but I'm fine with that if you insist. I'll even go one further. You are a thief. Happy now?

Buahahaha - yeah, manners and respect. I can see how much respect you have for the efforts of others when you advocate the theft of their earning's to give to others because they are old. I'm quite sure my parents are quite proud of how I turned out as I am respectful of those who have earned respect and my manners are above standard. However, the thing is - just because you don't like my POV doesn't mean I have bad manners. However,I'm quite sure alot of people would think your rush to physical intimidation wouldn't be considered good manners.

*shrug*

CsG

Let's see, you claim two people have tried to intimidate you. Do you think maybe it's something your doing?? Nah, your perfect, right??

Since we're in the name calling mood, now it's my turn. Your just another brownnoseing yes man. Your one of the biggest hypocrites it's ever been my misfortune to talk with. You want to infer that SS is a welfare program, but you have no plan on how to fix the situation except to give you money and let the elderly starve or die of disease. It's easy to complain and whine, but if you want any respect from people, you have to have earn it. Maybe if you were would be willing to came up with plan besidfe the self-serving one you support it would be differnt, but YOU AIN"T GOT ONE. You can take your "to hell with everyone else" attitude and put it where the sun don't shine.

If you need any help with that last part, just let me know. I'd be more then happy to give you a helping hand.

I'm not sure why two people think they need to play e-thug, but since you were one of them - why do you do that?

Ah, but there again you'd be wrong. I have offered my ideas and solutions on this forum regarding SS.

Care to make an even bigger ass of yourself by ranting away?

CsG

If you consider trying to do whats right for the elderly is "ranting", then no problem. You have no plan except to piss and moan about how your getting the short end of the stick. I have a ton of ideas, but there is no sense going into them at this time because I DON"T TRUST BUSH OR HIS FANBOIS to do the right thing!!. When the time is right I will have plenty to contribute.

Your the one who started this flame bait thread, let's hear your grand scheme.

You weren't ranting about what's "right" - you were ranting about me. Search the forum - I've laid out my SS plan. Infact there are a couple ways it could go that would be in-line with the Constitutional duties assigned to the Feds, yet make sure SS doesn't continue to be a massive welfare beast.

But hey, since you think I'm a Bush fanboy and you don't trust them - why do you even ask about my ideas? Hmm...

CsG

 

[Steeplerot]

becasue of your very lack therof ideas except the braindead catchphrases idiots like bush use.
thus you are a bush shill with nothing to contribute but division in our country.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
uh uh you aren't going to get a bite on that one. US must remain white, even though white folks do not have anywhere near as many kids nowdays.

*gasp* we'd have to become multi-cultural!

What would our forefathers say if we learned a language in schools besides the ones of the dominating english (who we had to fight off anyhow)

Bite on what? You made a claim after the baby boomers die off then the system should be ok. There isnt any proof the demographics of this nation will be favorable for SS to every return to surplus's in the next 70 years.

I ask you, when do you think it will return to a favorable demographic?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
becasue of your very lack therof ideas except the braindead catchphrases idiots like bush use.
thus you are a bush shill with nothing to contribute but division in our country.

What is your great plan to fix the system? Wait over 70 years for the demographics mightbecome favorable while racking up 22 trillion in debt?

 

[Steeplerot]

when the debt is paid to a tolerable level, or republicans leave power since they abuse the capital so much.

debt is from the dumbass wars the gop uses to distract the country while it drains the coffers.

a simple solution -keep the corrupt thieves out.

we are blessed with resources and know-how.

hell the mess raygun got us into got cleaned up didnt it?

and he sure whined about ss all the time.

trusting the neocons with anything is bad news as time and time again they have failed america and just set us backwards.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
when the debt is paid to a tolerable level, or republicans leave power since they abuse the capital so much.

debt is from the dumbass wars the gop uses to distract the country while it drains the coffers.

a simple solution -keep the corrupt thieves out.

Is that a plan or a wish? Keeping the status quo will keep the thieves hands in the coffers of SS.

Waiting for the republicans to lose power wont fix the problem. Democrats could sweep 06 and the same problem will still be going on.

 

[Steeplerot]

and gambling our future is idiotic, and not even worth discussing.

we see how the GOP handles finances and grows the government to huge porportions.

maybe time for a real conservative then? imagine that!

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Genx87


What is your great plan to fix the system?

Eliminate the FICA cap on income until the system reaches parity.

Problem solved.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
and gambling our future is idiotic, and not even worth discussing.

we see how the GOP handles finances and grows the government to huge porportions.

maybe time for a real conservative then? imagine that!

So what is your realistic plan besides waiting for the implosion?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
when the debt is paid to a tolerable level, or republicans leave power since they abuse the capital so much.

debt is from the dumbass wars the gop uses to distract the country while it drains the coffers.

a simple solution -keep the corrupt thieves out.

Is that a plan or a wish? Keeping the status quo will keep the thieves hands in the coffers of SS.

Waiting for the republicans to lose power wont fix the problem. Democrats could sweep 06 and the same problem will still be going on.

Yeah it really doesn't seem to matter who's in power does it!