Bush's Sleeper Cells

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Todd33
The DNC had an AWOL ad? I know Moveon had one, which Kerry denounced.

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
The DNC does not support the AWOL ad, nor did they put it out. Moveon.org did, and Kerry denounced it. Plus, they have legitimate claims that Bush still hasn't been able to defend or substantially prove otherwise.

Ahem, his question was - "Do you support the DNC's smear tactics against Bush (the AWOL accusations)? Yes or No?" You two can bleat all you want about an "ad" but there is more too it than just one ad😉 Now I would ask an even more direct question than alchemize's though.

Do you support the kerry campaign's smear tactics? Yes/NO?

Here is why...
"This comes from a president who can't even show or prove that he showed up for duty in the National Guard" - kerry
"George Bush has yet to explain to America whether or not, and tell the truth, about whether he showed up for duty."-kerry

Now again - do you support the kerry campaign's smear tactics? Please answer with yes/no....and remember you are either with us or against us😉

CsG

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I'm sorry but how can any rational person say that Bush isn't running a smear campaign. I'll give you an example.
The RNC put out a video on the internet for their convention essentially painting Kerry as a flip-flopper. They had an interview of Kerry on Chris Matthew's show in which Matthews asked Kerry if he was an anti-war candidate. Kerry's response was clipped and cut to only show him saying "Yes", not including the rest of what he actually said (which was definitely not "YES I AM AN ANTI-WAR CANDIDATE"). Bush's ads are filled with such distortions of the truth. Almost everything used against John Kerry isn't used in context. To say that Bush has been honest and truthful in his ads or even in his speeches is a downright fallacy, and any idiot who believes otherwise shouldn't be voting.
I really don't think CAD believes Bush is innocent of smearing John Kerry. I'd like to think he's got more intelligence than that.
This goes for both sides though, as they are both running smear campaigns to a degree (although I tend to believe Bush and the Republicans have gone way overboard compared to Kerry).

Your definition of a "smear" is somewhat different than mine. The SBVFT operate what I would consider to be a "smear" campaign. Claiming inconsistancy with regard to issues is most definitely not a smear campaign--it is itself an "issues" campaign.

Now, if that "issues" campaign took an answer completely out of context, that is another matter altogether. Such as if Kerry said that, "no, I don't consider myself to be an anti-war candidate, but, yes, some people might have that impression", and condensing it down to the "yes" that appeared within his answer--that I would consider to be a misrepresentation, and an example of a "smear". Without the transcript, however, I have no idea of the context of the "yes" answer and will not simply accept it to be a misleading fabrication simply because it didn't include his entire answer.

A quick check at factcheck.org shows several campaigns having issues with their interpretation of a "fact" or three. Some are merely annoyances of semantics, some might be construed as open to interpretation, while others are outright misrepresentations of fact.

My personal opinion that both candidates' campaign strive to produce anything they can say with a certain level of accuracy that sheds a negative light against their competitor. I've got no problem with that. Calling someone "Hitler", "liar", "racist", etc, (as I just witnessed this past primary election here locally) are smear campaigns. I've seen nothing from either candidates' official campaigns that I would consider to be a "smear". Maybe my sensibilities are not as easily offended as your's.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
There is not one person on this planet, other than you, that thinks Bush's campaign hasn't involved smear tactics.

Now, for about 12th time:

Do you support the Bush campaign's smear tactics? Yes...or...No.

Ah, so now you are ASSuming along with asking a loaded question. Go figure.

Why don't you come back when you have either an honest question - or a definition to go along with your loaded "smear" one. I won't be holding my breath...

CsG

Answer the question CsG.


Do you support the Bush campaign's smear tactics?


Yes or no.

Yoo hoo??

Yoo hoo, Conjur. Please answer Alky's and Michaels questions while you're waiting for CsG's answer (that, of course, he already gave but you're too stubbornly stupid to acknowledge).

Here's a thought, Conjur. How about you ask an honest question that might actually elicit a yes or no answer.

Now I'm still wondering, Conjur, are you still beating your wife? Yes or no....

It's amazing what stupidity people will spout off when they're protected behind a computer keyboard. People who make idiotic statements like this usually never have the guts to say that to one's face.

Why don't you send me a PM and find out, wuss. I'm an old fat guy with a bad attitude....consider yourself warned. :roll:

Oh BTW, physician, heal thyself.

 

[Gaard]

Here, allow me (ever the politician 🙂 ) to make it easier for CAD...
[*]A "The Bush campaign isn't running a smear campaign."
[*]B "Yes I do."
[*]C "No I don't."


Come to think of it, this thread sure reminds me of something. Oh yeah...

Gaard: "Hey CAD, is Bush a flip-flopper?"
CAD: "There are problems on both sides regarding political posturing."

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ah, so now you are ASSuming along with asking a loaded question. Go figure.

Why don't you come back when you have either an honest question - or a definition to go along with your loaded "smear" one. I won't be holding my breath...

CsG

YOO HOO???

CsG

Answer the question, CsG.

Simply a one-word response of either YES or NO.



Do you support the Bush campaign's smear tactics?



And to the trolls out there, I will not respond to you so ah heck off. The mods will take care of a couple of you anyway as they have in the past with a certain line of questioning. I believe it even earned one member a vacation.

Still waiting, CADsortaGUY.


A one-word answer is all I need.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ah, so now you are ASSuming along with asking a loaded question. Go figure.

Why don't you come back when you have either an honest question - or a definition to go along with your loaded "smear" one. I won't be holding my breath...

CsG

YOO HOO???

CsG

Can you please address this post so I can answer? I still won't be holding my breath...

CsG

 

[Michael]

conjur - the mods haven't come to protect you again. Will you answer the questions you're being posed as well? Since they're the same question you're insisting needs to be answered.

I really hope you're not delusional enough to think either party will refrain from "attack" or "negative" ads. They'll always come and now there are 527 org to hide behind.

MIchael

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ah, so now you are ASSuming along with asking a loaded question. Go figure.

Why don't you come back when you have either an honest question - or a definition to go along with your loaded "smear" one. I won't be holding my breath...

CsG

YOO HOO???

CsG

Answer the question, CsG.

Simply a one-word response of either YES or NO.



Do you support the Bush campaign's smear tactics?



And to the trolls out there, I will not respond to you so ah heck off. The mods will take care of a couple of you anyway as they have in the past with a certain line of questioning. I believe it even earned one member a vacation.

Still waiting, CADsortaGUY.


A one-word answer is all I need.

Still waiting.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur



And to the trolls out there, I will not respond to you so ah heck off. The mods will take care of a couple of you anyway as they have in the past with a certain line of questioning. I believe it even earned one member a vacation.

Answer the question conjur. YES or NO Here's the question I've asked you 3 times now:

"Do you support the DNC's smear tactics against Bush (the AWOL accusations)? Yes or No?"

How many times do I need to try and elicit a one word answer? I don't care about your wife relationship, I want to know this answer.

4th time I've asked you Conjur. Simple yes or no question, a one word answer. still waiting.

 

[conjur]

You'll get your answer as soon as CsG answers mine.

Fair is fair.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: conjur
Still waiting, CADsortaGUY.

A one-word answer is all I need.

Perhaps Cad is both for-and-against it? 😀

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
You'll get your answer as soon as CsG answers mine.

Fair is fair.

I fail to see the relevance of CAD's answer to your answer. Obviously, if you think your version of the question is a fairly posed question, then you'd have no problem answering my extremely similar question?

In fact, to show your non-partisanship, I would think you would want to prove to be a better example than CAD, who isn't answering your question and obviously isn't going to.










Because it's a stupid question. Ask me the question, Conjur. I'll answer it.

 

[conjur]

Fine, alchemize.

Do *you* support the Bush campaign smear tactics?


I support neither campaign's smear tactics. And, I will admit the Kerry campaign has launched a few barbs that it should be above doing. Just because Bush has done so doesn't make it right.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
Fine, alchemize.

Do *you* support the Bush campaign smear tactics?


I support neither campaign's smear tactics. And, I will admit the Kerry campaign has launched a few barbs that it should be above doing. Just because Bush has done so doesn't make it right.

Couldn't we have reached this point about 40 posts and 16 questions ago?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
Fine, alchemize.

Do *you* support the Bush campaign smear tactics?


I support neither campaign's smear tactics. And, I will admit the Kerry campaign has launched a few barbs that it should be above doing. Just because Bush has done so doesn't make it right.

Couldn't we have reached this point about 40 posts and 16 questions ago?

Ask CsG.

Oh wait...he *still* wouldn't give you a yes or no answer. He's most certainly a Bush fan...he loves that obsfucation!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ah, so now you are ASSuming along with asking a loaded question. Go figure.

Why don't you come back when you have either an honest question - or a definition to go along with your loaded "smear" one. I won't be holding my breath...

CsG

YOO HOO???

CsG

Can you please address this post so I can answer? I still won't be holding my breath...

CsG

Still not holding my breath.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
Fine, alchemize.

Do *you* support the Bush campaign smear tactics?


I support neither campaign's smear tactics. And, I will admit the Kerry campaign has launched a few barbs that it should be above doing. Just because Bush has done so doesn't make it right.

Couldn't we have reached this point about 40 posts and 16 questions ago?

Ask CsG.

Oh wait...he *still* wouldn't give you a yes or no answer. He's most certainly a Bush fan...he loves that obsfucation!

You didn't give a yes/no answer either and you haven't addressed my questions. I answered yours from the start - you just don't like the honest answers I gave.

CsG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ah, so now you are ASSuming along with asking a loaded question. Go figure.

Why don't you come back when you have either an honest question - or a definition to go along with your loaded "smear" one. I won't be holding my breath...

CsG

YOO HOO???

CsG

Can you please address this post so I can answer? I still won't be holding my breath...

CsG

Still not holding my breath.

CsG

100% honest, no-loaded question follows:

Do you support the Bush campaign smear tactics? Yes or no.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
I support neither campaign's smear tactics.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I don't like smears coming from either side.

And exactly how are these answers different in your mind?

Now again, define your question or pose one that can be honestly answered with a yes/no.

CsG

 

[conjur]

Answer the question, CsG.

Stop evading.

 

[alchemize]

Who votes this goes to PM? Raise your hand...

 

[conjur]

Why? Let CsG show his arrogance and ignorance in full view.

He is the one that can end this by simply answering Yes or No.


Let me quote a portion of the OP for a refresher:

They sprang into action in 2000 when Bush was running in the primaries against John McCain. After getting beat in New Hampshire by McCain, Bush?s first event was at Bob Jones University in South Carolina. Standing next to Bush on the stage was a veteran who went right at McCain, questioning his Vietnam service while Bush remained silent. A whisper campaign told voters that McCain had a black child. (The McCains have an adopted daughter from Bangladesh.) McCain lost the primary; the veteran became a Bush administration appointee.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
Why? Let CsG show his arrogance and ignorance in full view.

He is the one that can end this by simply answering Yes or No.

Ah, yes -arrogance. Why don't you pose an honest question so I can answer with a yes/no? No...you just sit there trying to force an answer from me that wouldn't be honest. You sir are the arrogant one.

Now please define your question or ask an honest one. I have answered as honestly as I can - and you have given approximately the same answer as I - but yet here you sit whining about not getting a yes/no. Arrogance alright...

CsG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: conjur
Answer the question, CsG.

Stop evading.

LOL! Cad went bananas on me once when I wouldn't answer one of his questions* with a yes or no. Said all sorts of nasty things about me, really frothing. In fact, he's done that several times, IIRC. Guess he holds himself to a different standard.



* it was a loaded question, of course; nothing straightforward like yours

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: conjur
Answer the question, CsG.

Stop evading.

LOL! Cad went bananas on me once when I wouldn't answer one of his questions* with a yes or no. Said all sorts of nasty things about me, really frothing. In fact, he's done that several times, IIRC. Guess he holds himself to a different standard.



* it was a loaded question, of course; nothing straightforward like yours

Buahahaha - sure Bow. I remember there being a question that you wouldn't answer but this question by conjur is NOT straigh-forward but I answered it as honestly as possible. Infact - conjur answered in much the same fashion I did earlier in this thread.

*shrug* Guess maybe you should have answered my question with a yes/no if you condemn me for not answering conjur's with a yes/no...😉

CsG