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ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: conjur
And that timeline pretty much matches everything I and others have been saying. But, it excludes much of the f-ed FEMA actions denying and preventing aid from coming in.

Then send him the links to real sources(something that can be verified)

BTW, I've read what you've been posting and you haven't been saying what that timeline says. You cherry pick info, and then spin it to play the BLAME game. Truly disgusting your behavior is.
 

conjur

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Yeah...my behavior is disgusting. :roll:

I've been blaming people who don't deserve blame. I've been praising FEMA for blocking aid. I've blamed the victims for staying behind (they should have bought a car in the last hours and driven out.) :cookie:


BTW, I did send the author several links for which he was searching plus other information.


But, go ahead and find one thing I've posted that doesn't match that timeline. Do notice he leaves out completely Gen. Honore's comments and the FEMA blockades of aid.

And, on today's Oprah, she confirmed that people that were supposedly beyond treatment or dying were left in the morgue to die....unattended. Just left there. And FEMA denied how many doctors and morticians from coming in?
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...my behavior is disgusting. :roll:

I've been blaming people who don't deserve blame. I've been praising FEMA for blocking aid. I've blamed the victims for staying behind (they should have bought a car in the last hours and driven out.) :cookie:


BTW, I did send the author several links for which he was searching plus other information.


But, go ahead and find one thing I've posted that doesn't match that timeline. Do notice he leaves out completely Gen. Honore's comments and the FEMA blockades of aid.

And, on today's Oprah, she confirmed that people that were supposedly beyond treatment or dying were left in the morgue to die....unattended. Just left there. And FEMA denied how many doctors and morticians from coming in?


And there you go again with that disgusting behavior. YOU don't know what's going on, yet you take one thing and run with it and spin it to affix the blame you are looking to affix. Your agenda is MORE than clear and is more than disgusting.

 

conjur

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WTF? Dude, put down the crackpipe. Me mentioning what was on Oprah is disgusting? What's disgusting is what's being allowed to happen!

Also, what's disgusting is the employ of firefighters for PR work!!

Frustrated: Fire crews to hand out fliers for FEMA
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3004197
ATLANTA - Not long after some 1,000 firefighters sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: "What are we doing here?"

As New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded on national television for firefighters - his own are exhausted after working around the clock for a week - a battalion of highly trained men and women sat idle Sunday in a muggy Sheraton Hotel conference room in Atlanta.

Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers.

Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA.

On Monday, some firefighters stuck in the staging area at the Sheraton peeled off their FEMA-issued shirts and stuffed them in backpacks, saying they refuse to represent the federal agency.

Federal officials are unapologetic.

"I would go back and ask the firefighter to revisit his commitment to FEMA, to firefighting and to the citizens of this country," said FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak.


The firefighters - or at least the fire chiefs who assigned them to come to Atlanta - knew what the assignment would be, Hudak said.

"The initial call to action very specifically says we're looking for two-person fire teams to do community relations," she said. "So if there is a breakdown [in communication], it was likely in their own departments."

One fire chief from Texas agreed that the call was clear to work as community-relations officers. But he wonders why the 1,400 firefighters FEMA attracted to Atlanta aren't being put to better use. He also questioned why the U.S. Department of Homeland Security - of which FEMA is a part - has not responded better to the disaster.

The firefighters, several of whom are from Utah, were told to bring backpacks, sleeping bags, first-aid kits and Meals Ready to Eat. They were told to prepare for "austere conditions." Many of them came with awkward fire gear and expected to wade in floodwaters, sift through rubble and save lives.

"They've got people here who are search-and-rescue certified, paramedics, haz-mat certified," said a Texas firefighter. "We're sitting in here having a sexual-harassment class while there are still [victims] in Louisiana who haven't been contacted yet."

The firefighter, who has encouraged his superiors back home not to send any more volunteers for now, declined to give his name because FEMA has warned them not to talk to reporters.

On Monday, two firefighters from South Jordan and two from Layton headed for San Antonio to help hurricane evacuees there. Four firefighters from Roy awaited their marching orders, crossing their fingers that they would get to do rescue and recovery work, rather than paperwork.

"A lot of people are bickering because there are rumors they'll just be handing out fliers," said Roy firefighter Logan Layne, adding that his squad hopes to be in the thick of the action. "But we'll do anything. We'll do whatever they need us to do."

While FEMA's community-relations job may be an important one - displaced hurricane victims need basic services and a variety of resources - it may be a job best suited for someone else, say firefighters assembled at the Sheraton.

"It's a misallocation of resources. Completely," said the Texas firefighter.

"It's just an under-utilization of very talented people," said South Salt Lake Fire Chief Steve Foote, who sent a team of firefighters to Atlanta. "I was hoping once they saw the level of people . . . they would shift gears a little bit."

Foote said his crews would be better used doing the jobs they are trained to do.

But Louis H. Botta, a coordinating officer for FEMA, said sending out firefighters on community relations makes sense. They already have had background checks and meet the qualifications to be sworn as a federal employee. They have medical training that will prove invaluable as they come across hurricane victims in the field.

A firefighter from California said he feels ill prepared to even carry out the job FEMA has assigned him. In the field, Hurricane Katrina victims will approach him with questions about everything from insurance claims to financial assistance.

"My only answer to them is, '1-800-621-FEMA,' " he said. "I'm not used to not being in the know."


Roy Fire Chief Jon Ritchie said his crews would be a "little frustrated" if they were assigned to hand out phone numbers at an evacuee center in Texas rather than find and treat victims of the disaster.

Also of concern to some of the firefighters is the cost borne by their municipalities in the wake of their absence. Cities are picking up the tab to fill the firefighters' vacancies while they work 30 days for the federal government.

"There are all of these guys with all of this training and we're sending them out to hand out a phone number," an Oregon firefighter said. "They [the hurricane victims] are screaming for help and this day [of FEMA training] was a waste."

Firefighters say they want to brave the heat, the debris-littered roads, the poisonous cottonmouth snakes and fire ants and travel into pockets of Louisiana where many people have yet to receive emergency aid.

But as specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.
Completely disgusting, callous, and useless waste of resources.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: conjur
WTF? Dude, put down the crackpipe. Me mentioning what was on Oprah is disgusting? What's disgusting is what's being allowed to happen!

Also, what's disgusting is the employ of firefighters for PR work!!

Frustrated: Fire crews to hand out fliers for FEMA
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3004197
ATLANTA - Not long after some 1,000 firefighters sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: "What are we doing here?"

As New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded on national television for firefighters - his own are exhausted after working around the clock for a week - a battalion of highly trained men and women sat idle Sunday in a muggy Sheraton Hotel conference room in Atlanta.

Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers.

Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA.

On Monday, some firefighters stuck in the staging area at the Sheraton peeled off their FEMA-issued shirts and stuffed them in backpacks, saying they refuse to represent the federal agency.

Federal officials are unapologetic.

"I would go back and ask the firefighter to revisit his commitment to FEMA, to firefighting and to the citizens of this country," said FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak.


The firefighters - or at least the fire chiefs who assigned them to come to Atlanta - knew what the assignment would be, Hudak said.

"The initial call to action very specifically says we're looking for two-person fire teams to do community relations," she said. "So if there is a breakdown [in communication], it was likely in their own departments."

One fire chief from Texas agreed that the call was clear to work as community-relations officers. But he wonders why the 1,400 firefighters FEMA attracted to Atlanta aren't being put to better use. He also questioned why the U.S. Department of Homeland Security - of which FEMA is a part - has not responded better to the disaster.

The firefighters, several of whom are from Utah, were told to bring backpacks, sleeping bags, first-aid kits and Meals Ready to Eat. They were told to prepare for "austere conditions." Many of them came with awkward fire gear and expected to wade in floodwaters, sift through rubble and save lives.

"They've got people here who are search-and-rescue certified, paramedics, haz-mat certified," said a Texas firefighter. "We're sitting in here having a sexual-harassment class while there are still [victims] in Louisiana who haven't been contacted yet."

The firefighter, who has encouraged his superiors back home not to send any more volunteers for now, declined to give his name because FEMA has warned them not to talk to reporters.

On Monday, two firefighters from South Jordan and two from Layton headed for San Antonio to help hurricane evacuees there. Four firefighters from Roy awaited their marching orders, crossing their fingers that they would get to do rescue and recovery work, rather than paperwork.

"A lot of people are bickering because there are rumors they'll just be handing out fliers," said Roy firefighter Logan Layne, adding that his squad hopes to be in the thick of the action. "But we'll do anything. We'll do whatever they need us to do."

While FEMA's community-relations job may be an important one - displaced hurricane victims need basic services and a variety of resources - it may be a job best suited for someone else, say firefighters assembled at the Sheraton.

"It's a misallocation of resources. Completely," said the Texas firefighter.

"It's just an under-utilization of very talented people," said South Salt Lake Fire Chief Steve Foote, who sent a team of firefighters to Atlanta. "I was hoping once they saw the level of people . . . they would shift gears a little bit."

Foote said his crews would be better used doing the jobs they are trained to do.

But Louis H. Botta, a coordinating officer for FEMA, said sending out firefighters on community relations makes sense. They already have had background checks and meet the qualifications to be sworn as a federal employee. They have medical training that will prove invaluable as they come across hurricane victims in the field.

A firefighter from California said he feels ill prepared to even carry out the job FEMA has assigned him. In the field, Hurricane Katrina victims will approach him with questions about everything from insurance claims to financial assistance.

"My only answer to them is, '1-800-621-FEMA,' " he said. "I'm not used to not being in the know."


Roy Fire Chief Jon Ritchie said his crews would be a "little frustrated" if they were assigned to hand out phone numbers at an evacuee center in Texas rather than find and treat victims of the disaster.

Also of concern to some of the firefighters is the cost borne by their municipalities in the wake of their absence. Cities are picking up the tab to fill the firefighters' vacancies while they work 30 days for the federal government.

"There are all of these guys with all of this training and we're sending them out to hand out a phone number," an Oregon firefighter said. "They [the hurricane victims] are screaming for help and this day [of FEMA training] was a waste."

Firefighters say they want to brave the heat, the debris-littered roads, the poisonous cottonmouth snakes and fire ants and travel into pockets of Louisiana where many people have yet to receive emergency aid.

But as specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.
Completely disgusting, callous, and useless waste of resources.

Completely blind to your own actions. It's sad how some of you people have been so consumed by hating the other side that you can't even see reality when it's put there right in front of you. How utterly disgusting and sad.

 

conjur

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Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
 
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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
WTF? Dude, put down the crackpipe. Me mentioning what was on Oprah is disgusting? What's disgusting is what's being allowed to happen!

Also, what's disgusting is the employ of firefighters for PR work!!

Frustrated: Fire crews to hand out fliers for FEMA
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3004197
ATLANTA - Not long after some 1,000 firefighters sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: "What are we doing here?"

As New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded on national television for firefighters - his own are exhausted after working around the clock for a week - a battalion of highly trained men and women sat idle Sunday in a muggy Sheraton Hotel conference room in Atlanta.

Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers.

Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA.

On Monday, some firefighters stuck in the staging area at the Sheraton peeled off their FEMA-issued shirts and stuffed them in backpacks, saying they refuse to represent the federal agency.

Federal officials are unapologetic.

"I would go back and ask the firefighter to revisit his commitment to FEMA, to firefighting and to the citizens of this country," said FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak.


The firefighters - or at least the fire chiefs who assigned them to come to Atlanta - knew what the assignment would be, Hudak said.

"The initial call to action very specifically says we're looking for two-person fire teams to do community relations," she said. "So if there is a breakdown [in communication], it was likely in their own departments."

One fire chief from Texas agreed that the call was clear to work as community-relations officers. But he wonders why the 1,400 firefighters FEMA attracted to Atlanta aren't being put to better use. He also questioned why the U.S. Department of Homeland Security - of which FEMA is a part - has not responded better to the disaster.

The firefighters, several of whom are from Utah, were told to bring backpacks, sleeping bags, first-aid kits and Meals Ready to Eat. They were told to prepare for "austere conditions." Many of them came with awkward fire gear and expected to wade in floodwaters, sift through rubble and save lives.

"They've got people here who are search-and-rescue certified, paramedics, haz-mat certified," said a Texas firefighter. "We're sitting in here having a sexual-harassment class while there are still [victims] in Louisiana who haven't been contacted yet."

The firefighter, who has encouraged his superiors back home not to send any more volunteers for now, declined to give his name because FEMA has warned them not to talk to reporters.

On Monday, two firefighters from South Jordan and two from Layton headed for San Antonio to help hurricane evacuees there. Four firefighters from Roy awaited their marching orders, crossing their fingers that they would get to do rescue and recovery work, rather than paperwork.

"A lot of people are bickering because there are rumors they'll just be handing out fliers," said Roy firefighter Logan Layne, adding that his squad hopes to be in the thick of the action. "But we'll do anything. We'll do whatever they need us to do."

While FEMA's community-relations job may be an important one - displaced hurricane victims need basic services and a variety of resources - it may be a job best suited for someone else, say firefighters assembled at the Sheraton.

"It's a misallocation of resources. Completely," said the Texas firefighter.

"It's just an under-utilization of very talented people," said South Salt Lake Fire Chief Steve Foote, who sent a team of firefighters to Atlanta. "I was hoping once they saw the level of people . . . they would shift gears a little bit."

Foote said his crews would be better used doing the jobs they are trained to do.

But Louis H. Botta, a coordinating officer for FEMA, said sending out firefighters on community relations makes sense. They already have had background checks and meet the qualifications to be sworn as a federal employee. They have medical training that will prove invaluable as they come across hurricane victims in the field.

A firefighter from California said he feels ill prepared to even carry out the job FEMA has assigned him. In the field, Hurricane Katrina victims will approach him with questions about everything from insurance claims to financial assistance.

"My only answer to them is, '1-800-621-FEMA,' " he said. "I'm not used to not being in the know."


Roy Fire Chief Jon Ritchie said his crews would be a "little frustrated" if they were assigned to hand out phone numbers at an evacuee center in Texas rather than find and treat victims of the disaster.

Also of concern to some of the firefighters is the cost borne by their municipalities in the wake of their absence. Cities are picking up the tab to fill the firefighters' vacancies while they work 30 days for the federal government.

"There are all of these guys with all of this training and we're sending them out to hand out a phone number," an Oregon firefighter said. "They [the hurricane victims] are screaming for help and this day [of FEMA training] was a waste."

Firefighters say they want to brave the heat, the debris-littered roads, the poisonous cottonmouth snakes and fire ants and travel into pockets of Louisiana where many people have yet to receive emergency aid.

But as specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.
Completely disgusting, callous, and useless waste of resources.

Completely blind to your own actions. It's sad how some of you people have been so consumed by hating the other side that you can't even see reality when it's put there right in front of you. How utterly disgusting and sad.
Not more than a few days ago, the hysterical ones were clammoring 'Where's Bush? Where's Bush? Where the damn president? Why isn't he in NO?" Some of us in here claimed that if/when the president showed up it would:

1) Be blasted by the same hysterical ones as a photo op - Check

2) Would get in the way of the effort by taking resources away from where they were needed - Check

They are so predictable in their responses, aren't they? :)
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.

:roll: And what does that have to do with the timeline. Oh wait - NOTHING! Stay blinded by your hate if you wish but it doesn't change the reality that the timeline shows. You and your little gaggle of blame the Feds whiners are pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of blind partisan trolls using this disaster to further your little "get Bush" agenda. Yes, you know the one - the one Kos keeps posting about. Hmmm. You seem to be quite the little toadie for him. Disgusting.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
:roll: And what does that have to do with the timeline. Oh wait - NOTHING! Stay blinded by your hate if you wish but it doesn't change the reality that the timeline shows. You and your little gaggle of blame the Feds whiners are pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of blind partisan trolls using this disaster to further your little "get Bush" agenda. Yes, you know the one - the one Kos keeps posting about. Hmmm. You seem to be quite the little toadie for him. Disgusting.
Answer the question.

Why won't you answer a simple question? Afraid you'll discover the truth?
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
:roll: And what does that have to do with the timeline. Oh wait - NOTHING! Stay blinded by your hate if you wish but it doesn't change the reality that the timeline shows. You and your little gaggle of blame the Feds whiners are pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of blind partisan trolls using this disaster to further your little "get Bush" agenda. Yes, you know the one - the one Kos keeps posting about. Hmmm. You seem to be quite the little toadie for him. Disgusting.
Answer the question.

Why won't you answer a simple question? Afraid you'll discover the truth?

For sure, you will never will. If it run over you in front of Walmart, you wouldn't recognize it!

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BBond
From Conjur's link:

Several states ready and willing to send National Guard troops to the rescue in New Orleans didn't get the go-ahead until days after the storm struck ? a delay nearly certain to be investigated by Congress.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard last Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.

HOW THE FVCK DOES ANYONE, EVEN YOU BLIND BUSH LOYALIST IDIOTS, POSSIBLY EXCUSE THIS???

Confess! You don't think logically, you just think hatefully.

Right on cue.

Good job! No argument, just complementing me on being timely. Thanks! I could have posted that a little earlier, but had just htought of it.

 

BBond

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THE WORLD WATCHED AS THE FAILURE OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION PLAYED OUT LIVE ON TV FROM NEW ORLEANS AND THE GULF COAST. WTFU AND STOP THE RIDICULOUS BULLSH!T. YOU PEOPLE ARE A FVCKING JOKE. YOU AREN'T FOOLING ANYONE BUT YOURSELVES.

I've never knew chickens had lips, or Condors either.

Keep kissing Bush's a$$.

:lips:

 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
:roll: And what does that have to do with the timeline. Oh wait - NOTHING! Stay blinded by your hate if you wish but it doesn't change the reality that the timeline shows. You and your little gaggle of blame the Feds whiners are pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of blind partisan trolls using this disaster to further your little "get Bush" agenda. Yes, you know the one - the one Kos keeps posting about. Hmmm. You seem to be quite the little toadie for him. Disgusting.
Answer the question.

Why won't you answer a simple question? Afraid you'll discover the truth?

You are the one that brought up something that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the timeline. But hey, I understand your attempt at diverting the discussion away from it because it doesn't play into your BLAME the Feds(& Bush) game(due it dealing with reality - not hyperbole)
 

BBond

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These people -- the Bush administration -- are the absolute lowest scum on the face of the Earth...

Anything for a buck. For them there's always a way to make a dollar off of someone else's misery.

I really hope that no one was stupid enough to fall for this scam. But judging from the intelligence of the Bushies posting here, Robertson probably made a bundle.

War profiteers, meet the disaster profiteers. You should all know each other very well, you're one in the same.

Disaster used as political payoff

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has done it again.

Already under fire for its woeful response to Hurricane Katrina, the federal disaster agency appears to have turned hurricane relief donations into a political payoff - until it was challenged.

All last week, FEMA bureaucrats gave prominent placement on the agency's Web site to Operation Blessing, the Virginia-based charity run by controversial right-wing evangelist and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson.

For anyone wishing to donate only cash, the agency's site listed the names and phone numbers of three groups: the Red Cross, Operation Blessing and America's Second Harvest, a national coalition of food banks.

That first list was followed by a second, longer list of several dozen religious and nonsectarian charities. This second list was for anyone who wanted to give either cash or noncash gifts.

Just as in an ordinary election, however, top ballot position makes it far more likely you'll get noticed and chosen.

The same FEMA list was then disseminated by state and local governments throughout the country. Both Gov. Pataki and Mayor Bloomberg, for example, placed the same top three FEMA charities on their Hurricane Katrina press releases and Web sites last week.

Those familiar with Robertson and his charity were flabbergasted.

Operation Blessing, with a budget of $190 million, is an integral part of the Robertson empire. Not only is he the chairman of the board, his wife is listed on its latest financial report as its vice president, and one of his sons is on the board of directors.

Back in 1994, during the infamous Rwandan genocide, Robertson used his 700 Club's daily cable operation to appeal to the American public for donations to fly humanitarian supplies into Zaire to save the Rwandan refugees.

The planes purchased by Operation Blessing did a lot more than ferry relief supplies.

An investigation conducted by the Virginia attorney general's office concluded in 1999 that the planes were mostly used to transport mining equipment for a diamond operation run by a for-profit company called African Development Corp.

And who do you think was the principal executive and sole shareholder of the mining company?

You guessed it, Pat Robertson himself.

Robertson had landed the mining concession from his longtime friend Mobutu Sese Seko, then the dictator of Zaire.

Investigators concluded that Operation Blessing "willfully induced contributions from the public through the use of misleading statements ..."

After the investigation began, Robertson placated state regulators by personally reimbursing his own charity $400,000 and by agreeing to tighten its bookkeeping methods.

Separating Operation Blessing from Robertson's many politically oriented endeavors is not that easy, however.

The biggest single U.S. recipient of the charity's largess, according to its latest financial report, was Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network. It received $885,000 in the fiscal year ended March 2004.

Robertson uses that Christian network for some markedly unchristian purposes.

A few years back, he repeatedly defended Charles Taylor, the former brutal dictator of Liberia who is under indictment by a UN tribunal for war crimes.

As with Mobutu in the Congo, Robertson had a personal stake in the matter: He had millions invested in a Liberian gold mine, thanks to Taylor, according to press reports.

Recently, Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Those who know Robertson's record raised such an uproar that on Sunday FEMA suddenly rearranged its entire Web site for hurricane donations.

Gone was Operation Blessing's name and choice location. Replacing it was an alphabetical list of nearly 50 national relief organizations.

At FEMA, they take a while to get things right.
 

BBond

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Castro can do it. Why can't Bush? I thought we're supposed to be "The Greatest Nation On Earth!"

U.S. Rejected Cuban Offer of 1,100 Doctors
The Cuban government has also announced that the U.S. State Department rebuffed its offer of aid. Last Tuesday Cuba offered to send 1100 doctors to assist in the crisis. Cuba said the doctors could have been on the ground by last Wednesday.

Cuba Praised for Hurricane Preparation
Some commentators on the web are suggesting the U.S. could learn about hurricane preparedness from Cuba. Last year the United Nations commended Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation after surviving Category 5 hurricane. Ivan destroyed 20,000 houses but reportedly no one died because the government orchestrated the evacuation of 1.5 million people to higher ground.

Link in sig...

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
:roll: And what does that have to do with the timeline. Oh wait - NOTHING! Stay blinded by your hate if you wish but it doesn't change the reality that the timeline shows. You and your little gaggle of blame the Feds whiners are pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of blind partisan trolls using this disaster to further your little "get Bush" agenda. Yes, you know the one - the one Kos keeps posting about. Hmmm. You seem to be quite the little toadie for him. Disgusting.
Answer the question.

Why won't you answer a simple question? Afraid you'll discover the truth?

You are the one that brought up something that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the timeline. But hey, I understand your attempt at diverting the discussion away from it because it doesn't play into your BLAME the Feds(& Bush) game(due it dealing with reality - not hyperbole)
This thread is about Bush's response not being adequate. I am posting examples of the mismanagement orchestrated by the Feds.

Now, about that question...still waiting....
 

BBond

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Operation Blame Blanco

Check out thew transcript of this interview with Hannah Storm Gov. Kathleen Blanco gave on the morning of August 29:

?STORM: Have you addressed the concerns of flooding in the New Orleans area, and particularly this possibility that it might become, as one expert put it, a toxic cesspool? A lot of pollution concerns.

Gov. BLANCO: Well, flooding, of course, is our main concern. That would?that would create an untenable situation in the city of New Orleans if the levees were to be breached. That would be our biggest problem. We would just deal with that situation. We will evaluate it as soon as this hurricane fury has blown over, and we?ll deal with what we have.

STORM: With the president, in advance of the storm hitting, declaring a state of emergency, how has that specifically helped your efforts?

Gov. BLANCO: Well, Hannah, it allowed FEMA to come in here early. We?ve set the stage for a lot of help for evacuation help, and the federal government is standing by. The president called. He was very supportive of our efforts. He was encouraging evacuation. He was very concerned. We appreciate his concern.

STORM: And what do you have available specifically, in terms of troops and supplies, as soon as this hurricane rolls through, to go in and assess and take care of the damage?

Gov. BLANCO: We?ve got National Guard members standing by, we?ve got airplanes ready to go in and do early assessments as soon as the back of the storm moves further inland. We?ll be knowing in a few hours what we?re dealing with. I know the low-lying areas are going to suffer the brunt of it?the early brunt of it, and we?ll do search and rescue, if necessary.?

So, to summatize?

1. President Bush declared an EMERGENCY before the storm hit.

2. He was ?supportive? of the Governor?s ewfforts BEFORE the storm.

3. FEMA was on the rgound, ready to go.

4. Gov. Blanco and her adisors were PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH A LEVEE BREACH.

Yet, all of this is Governor Blanco?s fault? Sounds to me like she was doing all she could, with the resorces she had. And, that she assummed that FEMA would handle the relief efforts, as they are supposed to do.

Link for the morons who expect us to believe their bullsh!t.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
:roll: And what does that have to do with the timeline. Oh wait - NOTHING! Stay blinded by your hate if you wish but it doesn't change the reality that the timeline shows. You and your little gaggle of blame the Feds whiners are pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of blind partisan trolls using this disaster to further your little "get Bush" agenda. Yes, you know the one - the one Kos keeps posting about. Hmmm. You seem to be quite the little toadie for him. Disgusting.
Answer the question.

Why won't you answer a simple question? Afraid you'll discover the truth?

You are the one that brought up something that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the timeline. But hey, I understand your attempt at diverting the discussion away from it because it doesn't play into your BLAME the Feds(& Bush) game(due it dealing with reality - not hyperbole)
This thread is about Bush's response not being adequate. I am posting examples of the mismanagement orchestrated by the Feds.

Now, about that question...still waiting....

They can't answer with any facts, only Rove's talking points.

IMO, every one of them is a White House operative cruising the internet in a failed effort at damage control.

Everyone watched this live as it happened. THERE IS NO SPIN ON THIS ONE YOU EVIL BASTARDS!

 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
WTF? Dude, put down the crackpipe. Me mentioning what was on Oprah is disgusting? What's disgusting is what's being allowed to happen!

Also, what's disgusting is the employ of firefighters for PR work!!

Frustrated: Fire crews to hand out fliers for FEMA
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3004197
ATLANTA - Not long after some 1,000 firefighters sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: "What are we doing here?"

As New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded on national television for firefighters - his own are exhausted after working around the clock for a week - a battalion of highly trained men and women sat idle Sunday in a muggy Sheraton Hotel conference room in Atlanta.

Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers.

Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA.

On Monday, some firefighters stuck in the staging area at the Sheraton peeled off their FEMA-issued shirts and stuffed them in backpacks, saying they refuse to represent the federal agency.

Federal officials are unapologetic.

"I would go back and ask the firefighter to revisit his commitment to FEMA, to firefighting and to the citizens of this country," said FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak.


The firefighters - or at least the fire chiefs who assigned them to come to Atlanta - knew what the assignment would be, Hudak said.

"The initial call to action very specifically says we're looking for two-person fire teams to do community relations," she said. "So if there is a breakdown [in communication], it was likely in their own departments."

One fire chief from Texas agreed that the call was clear to work as community-relations officers. But he wonders why the 1,400 firefighters FEMA attracted to Atlanta aren't being put to better use. He also questioned why the U.S. Department of Homeland Security - of which FEMA is a part - has not responded better to the disaster.

The firefighters, several of whom are from Utah, were told to bring backpacks, sleeping bags, first-aid kits and Meals Ready to Eat. They were told to prepare for "austere conditions." Many of them came with awkward fire gear and expected to wade in floodwaters, sift through rubble and save lives.

"They've got people here who are search-and-rescue certified, paramedics, haz-mat certified," said a Texas firefighter. "We're sitting in here having a sexual-harassment class while there are still [victims] in Louisiana who haven't been contacted yet."

The firefighter, who has encouraged his superiors back home not to send any more volunteers for now, declined to give his name because FEMA has warned them not to talk to reporters.

On Monday, two firefighters from South Jordan and two from Layton headed for San Antonio to help hurricane evacuees there. Four firefighters from Roy awaited their marching orders, crossing their fingers that they would get to do rescue and recovery work, rather than paperwork.

"A lot of people are bickering because there are rumors they'll just be handing out fliers," said Roy firefighter Logan Layne, adding that his squad hopes to be in the thick of the action. "But we'll do anything. We'll do whatever they need us to do."

While FEMA's community-relations job may be an important one - displaced hurricane victims need basic services and a variety of resources - it may be a job best suited for someone else, say firefighters assembled at the Sheraton.

"It's a misallocation of resources. Completely," said the Texas firefighter.

"It's just an under-utilization of very talented people," said South Salt Lake Fire Chief Steve Foote, who sent a team of firefighters to Atlanta. "I was hoping once they saw the level of people . . . they would shift gears a little bit."

Foote said his crews would be better used doing the jobs they are trained to do.

But Louis H. Botta, a coordinating officer for FEMA, said sending out firefighters on community relations makes sense. They already have had background checks and meet the qualifications to be sworn as a federal employee. They have medical training that will prove invaluable as they come across hurricane victims in the field.

A firefighter from California said he feels ill prepared to even carry out the job FEMA has assigned him. In the field, Hurricane Katrina victims will approach him with questions about everything from insurance claims to financial assistance.

"My only answer to them is, '1-800-621-FEMA,' " he said. "I'm not used to not being in the know."


Roy Fire Chief Jon Ritchie said his crews would be a "little frustrated" if they were assigned to hand out phone numbers at an evacuee center in Texas rather than find and treat victims of the disaster.

Also of concern to some of the firefighters is the cost borne by their municipalities in the wake of their absence. Cities are picking up the tab to fill the firefighters' vacancies while they work 30 days for the federal government.

"There are all of these guys with all of this training and we're sending them out to hand out a phone number," an Oregon firefighter said. "They [the hurricane victims] are screaming for help and this day [of FEMA training] was a waste."

Firefighters say they want to brave the heat, the debris-littered roads, the poisonous cottonmouth snakes and fire ants and travel into pockets of Louisiana where many people have yet to receive emergency aid.

But as specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.
Completely disgusting, callous, and useless waste of resources.

Completely blind to your own actions. It's sad how some of you people have been so consumed by hating the other side that you can't even see reality when it's put there right in front of you. How utterly disgusting and sad.
Not more than a few days ago, the hysterical ones were clammoring 'Where's Bush? Where's Bush? Where the damn president? Why isn't he in NO?" Some of us in here claimed that if/when the president showed up it would:

1) Be blasted by the same hysterical ones as a photo op - Check

2) Would get in the way of the effort by taking resources away from where they were needed - Check

They are so predictable in their responses, aren't they? :)

Hehe I think this is mighty funny. The last thing people wanted to see was POTUS strolling through the damaged area...everyone wanted to see more NG, more military help, just more federal response..

The LAST thing I wanted to see was GDUMb walking through the wreckage. puuulease.

your premise is all wrong. But I am sure you knew that.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
:roll: And what does that have to do with the timeline. Oh wait - NOTHING! Stay blinded by your hate if you wish but it doesn't change the reality that the timeline shows. You and your little gaggle of blame the Feds whiners are pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of blind partisan trolls using this disaster to further your little "get Bush" agenda. Yes, you know the one - the one Kos keeps posting about. Hmmm. You seem to be quite the little toadie for him. Disgusting.
Answer the question.

Why won't you answer a simple question? Afraid you'll discover the truth?

You are the one that brought up something that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the timeline. But hey, I understand your attempt at diverting the discussion away from it because it doesn't play into your BLAME the Feds(& Bush) game(due it dealing with reality - not hyperbole)
This thread is about Bush's response not being adequate. I am posting examples of the mismanagement orchestrated by the Feds.

Now, about that question...still waiting....

And you responded to a TIMELINE link posted by me. Your blabber has nothing to do with what I posted.

BTW, weren't you the one yapping about how Bush should have been there on day one? Yet here you sit whining (again) about how it's all just a photo-op? You don't think that resources would have been used if he went there on day one?(which I believe I and others pointed out when you were foaming at the mouth about it). Yep, that was you. Go figure, nothing but a lying hypocrit troll.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey



And you responded to a TIMELINE link posted by me. Your blabber has nothing to do with what I posted.

BTW, weren't you the one yapping about how Bush should have been there on day one? Yet here you sit whining (again) about how it's all just a photo-op? You don't think that resources would have been used if he went there on day one?(which I believe I and others pointed out when you were foaming at the mouth about it). Yep, that was you. Go figure, nothing but a lying hypocrit troll.

No one gave a sh!t if Bush was there or not. THE NATIONAL GUARD AND FEMA SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE FROM DAY ONE YOU MORON! NOT THAT WASTE OF OXYGEN, GEORGE W. BUSH. WTF DID HE DO BUT SCRAMBLE SOME MACHINERY FOR A PHOTO OP???

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
And you responded to a TIMELINE link posted by me. Your blabber has nothing to do with what I posted.

BTW, weren't you the one yapping about how Bush should have been there on day one? Yet here you sit whining (again) about how it's all just a photo-op? You don't think that resources would have been used if he went there on day one?(which I believe I and others pointed out when you were foaming at the mouth about it). Yep, that was you. Go figure, nothing but a lying hypocrit troll.

No one gave a sh!t if Bush was there or not. THE NATIONAL GUARD AND FEMA SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE FROM DAY ONE YOU MORON! NOT THAT WASTE OF OXYGEN, GEORGE W. BUSH. WTF DID HE DO BUT SCRAMBLE SOME MACHINERY FOR A PHOTO OP???
Chill, man. Have a beer, count to 100. Don't let these inhuman Bush-bots get to you. Be comfortable that their tried and true blame-anyone-but-Bush shilling is doomed this time. Too many Americans are finally paying attention, and they are horrified at our government's tragic failures. There will be an accounting, and unlike past scandals, BushCo will not be able to contain this one to a few convenient scapegoats. In the meantime, there are still dying and displaced people who need help yesterday.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey



And you responded to a TIMELINE link posted by me. Your blabber has nothing to do with what I posted.

BTW, weren't you the one yapping about how Bush should have been there on day one? Yet here you sit whining (again) about how it's all just a photo-op? You don't think that resources would have been used if he went there on day one?(which I believe I and others pointed out when you were foaming at the mouth about it). Yep, that was you. Go figure, nothing but a lying hypocrit troll.

No one gave a sh!t if Bush was there or not. THE NATIONAL GUARD AND FEMA SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE FROM DAY ONE YOU MORON! NOT THAT WASTE OF OXYGEN, GEORGE W. BUSH. WTF DID HE DO BUT SCRAMBLE SOME MACHINERY FOR A PHOTO OP???

Wow, you obviously didn't read the timeline that I linked to. So sad. You, like conjur and others, have let your hatred of Bush consume you. So much so that you can't see reality when it's put right there in front of you. So sad.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.

Still waiting.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.

Still waiting.

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

And you responded to a TIMELINE link posted by me. Your blabber has nothing to do with what I posted.

BTW, weren't you the one yapping about how Bush should have been there on day one? Yet here you sit whining (again) about how it's all just a photo-op? You don't think that resources would have been used if he went there on day one?(which I believe I and others pointed out when you were foaming at the mouth about it). Yep, that was you. Go figure, nothing but a lying hypocrit troll.