Bush's response is not adequate

[Starbuck1975]

Let me get this straight. You're saying that a storm that wreaked devastation along 800 or so miles of Gulf Coast, leaving many towns and cities completely destroyed, could have been handled by local authorities.

Local authorities and leaders are the first line of defense against any catastrophe...I never claimed that local authorities could handle the situation without federal assistance...what I am saying is that local authorities utterly failed in performing their function, and if we want to play the blame game, perhaps we should start here.

You people are truly despicable. You aren't Americans. You aren't even human.

Take off your partisan blinders.

Sean Penn's Hurricane Katrina rescue boat just wasn't sound enough to help those in New Orleans. Penn had planned to rescue children waylaid by Katrina's flood waters, but apparently forgot to plug in a hole in the bottom of his vessel, which began filling with water seconds after its launch the other day, reports the Melbourne Herald Sun. The star was seen wearing what appeared to be a white flak jacket and frantically bailing water out with a red plastic cup. When the motor didn't start, Penn and his entourage ? including a personal photographer ? were forced to use paddles to propel themselves down a flooded street.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are going to have a field day with this story.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Sean Penn bashes Bush by accusing him of "criminal negligence" in the reponse to Katrina and then tries to show him how it should be done:

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/52337.htm

Sean Penn's Hurricane Katrina rescue boat just wasn't sound enough to help those in New Orleans. Penn had planned to rescue children waylaid by Katrina's flood waters, but apparently forgot to plug in a hole in the bottom of his vessel, which began filling with water seconds after its launch the other day, reports the Melbourne Herald Sun. The star was seen wearing what appeared to be a white flak jacket and frantically bailing water out with a red plastic cup. When the motor didn't start, Penn and his entourage ? including a personal photographer ? were forced to use paddles to propel themselves down a flooded street.

What a maroon.

And where were you while Penn was risking life and limb to provide aid that the federal government refused to provide?

Sitting at your desk at your White House job?

I was doing volunteer work collecting donations for Katrina victims.

What were you doing? Hunting for another replacement Cap Locks key?

I did more than you. I didn't make excuses for the criminal neglect of your administration and I donated what I could.

Enabling these people through your ridiculous excuses negates ANYTHING you could possibly have done because people like you make it possible for people like them to do it time and time again. You scum.

iow, you didn't do sh!t.

Thought so.

I don't have to tell you how much I sent but it was substantial by any standard, and particularly by the standard the jerk off that you worship set for FIVE LONG DAYS.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Sean Penn bashes Bush by accusing him of "criminal negligence" in the reponse to Katrina and then tries to show him how it should be done:

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/52337.htm

Sean Penn's Hurricane Katrina rescue boat just wasn't sound enough to help those in New Orleans. Penn had planned to rescue children waylaid by Katrina's flood waters, but apparently forgot to plug in a hole in the bottom of his vessel, which began filling with water seconds after its launch the other day, reports the Melbourne Herald Sun. The star was seen wearing what appeared to be a white flak jacket and frantically bailing water out with a red plastic cup. When the motor didn't start, Penn and his entourage ? including a personal photographer ? were forced to use paddles to propel themselves down a flooded street.

What a maroon.

And where were you while Penn was risking life and limb to provide aid that the federal government refused to provide?

Sitting at your desk at your White House job?

I was doing volunteer work collecting donations for Katrina victims.

What were you doing? Hunting for another replacement Cap Locks key?

I did more than you. I didn't make excuses for the criminal neglect of your administration and I donated what I could.

Enabling these people through your ridiculous excuses negates ANYTHING you could possibly have done because people like you make it possible for people like them to do it time and time again. You scum.

iow, you didn't do sh!t.

Thought so.

I don't have to tell you how much I sent but it was substantial by any standard, and particularly by the standard the jerk off that you worship set for FIVE LONG DAYS.

Just because you have unlimited spite and vitriol for Bush doesn't mean others who don't act like the complete and utter tool you are worship him.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Just because you have unlimited spite and vitriol for Bush doesn't mean others who don't act like the complete and utter tool you are worship him.

I'd have unlimited spite and vitriol for ANYONE who led this country where Bush has led us.

 

[BBond]

I sure as hell wouldn't unconditionally defend him like you do.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
I was wondering why FEMA took so long to respond. What happens when a Governor refuses help from the President and refuses to call out the National Guard

How does that article have ANYTHING to do with your little title?

How much did the Louisiana Government really plan to help the people? It seems that two months earlier they may have stated they would not provide enough help. Perhaps this is why President Bush declared a state of emergency before the storm hit. He also offered assistance by sending Federal troops. Why did the Louisiana Governor refuse such an offer if they knew months (years?) ahead of time that they could not provide the support themselves.

Gov. Blanco ASKED the President for a Federal declaration of emergency.

PROOF:
http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Aug. 27

Dear Mr. President:

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

Why didn't the President take command of the situation? Blanco said, in her letter, that the local resources would not be able to handle the situation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_national_guard

Bush had the legal authority to order the National Guard to the disaster area himself, as he did after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks . But the troops four years ago were deployed for national security protection, and presidents of both parties traditionally defer to governors to deploy their own National Guardsmen and request help from other states when it comes to natural disasters.

In addition to Guard help, the federal government could have activated, but did not, a major air support plan under a pre-existing contract with airlines. The program, called Civilian Reserve Air Fleet, lets the government quickly put private cargo and passenger planes into service.

The CRAF provision has been activated twice, once for the Persian
Gulf War and again for the Iraq war.

"And yet apparently there was no emergency plan and no resources to evacuate "the careless, the homeless, the aged and infirm." So, again, with the city and state not having an emergency plan why would they refuse help from the President? I?m sure they were not playing politics with peoples lives.

Wait, maybe they were. Notice how the Washington Post slants the offer of aid to Louisiana. Remember local, state, and federal authorities had already agreed that Louisiana did not have the resources to handle such an event. Local and State authorities even held a press conference in July to warn their citizens that they would not be able to help. Even before the hurricane hit the President urged the people of New Orleans to evacuate. He also declared a state of emergency before Katrina hit the coast. He also offered aid. Now to answer my question about how they slanted the offer of help.

He did not offer aid. He was spewing talking points while eating cake and playing guitar. He dropped the ball and could have been a *gasp* leader. He was ASKED to issue the Federal emergency declaration as I have PROVEN to you above.

?federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday?

Blanco Refused to Act

So, the Democrats call an offer of help ?wresting authority? but the Democrats want the President to ignore the Governor and send in troops. That would probably be an impeachable offense for a conservative President (a liberal President would be hailed as a savior).

Wait a minute! Littlegreenfootballs.com?!?! BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!

That's a worse place than FreeRepublic.com!! BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!

How long did it take the Governor to recognize they had a disaster? Remember, the President declared a state of emergency before the storm hit.

Aug. 26. And, Aug. 27 she ASKED the President to declare the Federal state of emergency. I've PROVEN this was the timeline, not your BS.

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

Complete and utter lie and we all know that "senior Bush official" was Karl Rove. I've PROVEN this is a LIE!

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday?.. Two, or perhaps three days later. Of course it was five or six days after the President offered help. Was the Governor of Louisiana watching the same reports the rest of us were? Well, maybe. The problems and delays were being reported as the fault of the President of the United States so why rush. After all, what is the problem with 80,000 dead if it means getting control of the Federal Government? (80,000 deaths was the estimate of eventual deaths that I heard about two days after Katrina hit New Orleans.)

More BS.

In fact it appears that the Governor was so busy playing CYA that they could not be bothered with helping the people of their state? Will Louisiana now elect a Republican Governor?

More BS.

Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the federal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the state?s victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort.

Again, she wouldn?t work with FEMA but is working with a former Clinton administrator to protect herself. Wow.

GOOD! Witt knew what the hell he was doing when he headed FEMA. Brown couldn't find a mop if he was left in a Mops 'r Us store.

So, did FEMA delay? (Democrats, remember, this is CNN talking! Also note that it was reported on August 29. That is at least two days before the Governor of Louisiana finally decided that they should call for help.
FEMA goes into disaster mode for Katrina

President Bush, as he readied the federal government for a massive relief effort, on Sunday urged people in the path of Hurricane Katrina to forget anything but their safety and move to higher ground as instructed.

Wow...he urged people. mmmm...that sure did a lot of good. Why didn't he actually do something to HELP them evacuate?

As the Category 4 the storm surged ashore just east of New Orleans, Louisiana, on Monday, FEMA had medical teams, rescue squads and groups prepared to supply food and water poised in a semicircle around the city, its director, Michael Brown, said.

And yet they sat around, doing jack squat.

President Declares Major Disaster For Louisiana on August 29

AFTER Gov. Blanco asked him to do so on Aug. 27!

FEMA: First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local Authorities

WASHINGTON D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response and head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), today urged all fire and emergency services departments not to respond to counties and states affected by Hurricane Katrina without being requested and lawfully dispatched by state and local authorities under mutual aid agreements and the Emergency Management Assistance Compact.

More posturing by the egos.

Again, the delay by the Governor of Louisiana would have been billed as an invasion by the liberal media had the President ordered troops into Louisiana. The President could not force FEMA to move in without authority.

So, we know why FEMA and the President delayed even though they were ready to help six days before the Governor of Louisiana was. I will allow others to determine why the Governor delayed for nearly a week.

More BS.


You want FEMA f-ups? Here ya go:
FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e2511c8.html

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/natio...nalspecial/05blame.html?ex=1283572800&

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/natio...nalspecial/05blame.html?ex=1283572800&

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862& ;BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=68561&rfi=6

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati...9040369sep04,1,4144825.story?ctrack=1&

FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca...aley,1,2011979.story?coll=chi-news-hed

FEMA turns away generators
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470

 

[conjur]

Military spokesman wades into hot water over Katrina remarks
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Northern_..._into_hot_water_over_Katrina_0906.html

A fracas erupted this weekend after military spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Sean Kelly of U.S. Northern Command noted that his forces were not authorized to aid Katrina survivors until given direction by the President, RAW STORY has found.

After describing in detail how the military had prepared to deal with hurricane relief, he remarked, "The only caveat is we have to wait until the President authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion; we have to wait for the President to give us permission."

This statement was made Saturday to the BBC. He said that NorthCom had been preparing well in advance (Video).

"Northcom started planning before the storm even hit," Kelly said. "We had the USS Bataan sailing almost behind the hurricane so once the hurricane made landfall, its search and rescue helicopters could be available almost immediately. So, we had things ready."

In the same interview, he also asserted that the ships carried nine million packaged meals that could be made available to survivors, and that at least 100,000 had been provided for those staying in the Superdome.

After progressive blogger Kevin Drum raised questions about these comments, Kelly added that the authorization had made Tuesday, just after the storm passed.

"The biggest hurdles to responding to the storm were the storm itself ? couldn't begin really helping until it passed ? and damage assessment ? figuring out which roads were passable, where communications and power were out, etc.," he added. "Military helos began damage assessment and SAR on Tuesday. Thus we had permission to operate as soon as it was possible. We even brought in night SAR helos to continue the mission on Tuesday night."

The storm had passed by Tuesday evening.

Kelly tried to defuse any sense that he had been criticizing the President.

"The President and Secretary of Defense did authorize us to act right away and are not to blame on this end," he remarked. "Yes, we have to wait for authorization, but it was given in a timely manner."

On Tuesday Aug. 30, the Pentagon also announced it would send five ships to the disaster zone, though some were several days away. This appears to be somewhat different from Kelly's initial assessment that search and rescue could begin "almost immediately."

On Wednesday, military transport planes began to carry some wounded to Houston. Full relief supplies did not arrive in New Orleans until Friday -- some three days after Kelly says they were authorized by President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld.

As many as 10,000 may be dead in the wake of the storm.

If authorization was given on Tuesday, why was the USS Bataan sitting in the Gulf doing nothing to supply food/water to those in the Superdome and the Convention Center?

 

[Starbuck1975]

"The biggest hurdles to responding to the storm were the storm itself ? couldn't begin really helping until it passed ? and damage assessment ? figuring out which roads were passable, where communications and power were out, etc.," he added. "Military helos began damage assessment and SAR on Tuesday. Thus we had permission to operate as soon as it was possible. We even brought in night SAR helos to continue the mission on Tuesday night."

The storm had passed by Tuesday evening.

Kelly tried to defuse any sense that he had been criticizing the President.

"The President and Secretary of Defense did authorize us to act right away and are not to blame on this end," he remarked. "Yes, we have to wait for authorization, but it was given in a timely manner."

From this account, sounds like the military had almost immediate authority to respond, and began doing what they could under the circumstances, which was to conduct aerial recon missions.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

"The biggest hurdles to responding to the storm were the storm itself ? couldn't begin really helping until it passed ? and damage assessment ? figuring out which roads were passable, where communications and power were out, etc.," he added. "Military helos began damage assessment and SAR on Tuesday. Thus we had permission to operate as soon as it was possible. We even brought in night SAR helos to continue the mission on Tuesday night."

The storm had passed by Tuesday evening.

Kelly tried to defuse any sense that he had been criticizing the President.

"The President and Secretary of Defense did authorize us to act right away and are not to blame on this end," he remarked. "Yes, we have to wait for authorization, but it was given in a timely manner."

From this account, sounds like the military had almost immediate authority to respond, and began doing what they could under the circumstances, which was to conduct aerial recon missions.

And why no airdrops of food/water to those trapped?

Why was the lighter craft onboard the USS Bataan ordered back and redeployed to the Mississippi coast (along with the USS Bataan) after it was 50 miles up the Mississippi River (40 miles from the city) with water for those trapped in New Orleans?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati...ep04,1,4144825.story?coll=chi-news-hed

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
"The biggest hurdles to responding to the storm were the storm itself ? couldn't begin really helping until it passed ? and damage assessment ? figuring out which roads were passable, where communications and power were out, etc.," he added. "Military helos began damage assessment and SAR on Tuesday. Thus we had permission to operate as soon as it was possible. We even brought in night SAR helos to continue the mission on Tuesday night."

The storm had passed by Tuesday evening.

Kelly tried to defuse any sense that he had been criticizing the President.

"The President and Secretary of Defense did authorize us to act right away and are not to blame on this end," he remarked. "Yes, we have to wait for authorization, but it was given in a timely manner."

Anyone who has the gall to suggest that the U.S. military doesn't have the capability to handle a few feet of water in the aftermath of a storm needs to just STFU.

They didn't go in because much of their manpower and even more of their equipment is sitting in the deserts and cities of Iraq. They didn't go in because Bush appointed Allbaugh, a political hack who ran one of Bush's campaigns, as FEMA chief then Allbaugh appointed Brown, HIS FORMER COLLEGE ROOMMATE, as FEMA CHIEF WITHOUT AN IOTA OF EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER. Bush underfunded the Army Corps of Engineers' work on the levees. Bush folded FEMA into Homeland Security. Bush is to blame more than any single person for the failure of the U.S. government to do their primary job. Protect the citizens of the United States.

Stop excusing these scum. You're looking completely ridiculous excusing what we all saw LIVE AS IT HAPPENED for five long days. The complete inaction, the frozen U.S. government.

This is just getting stupid now. You're going to keep making totally ridiculous excuses in the face of WHAT MILLIONS OF AMERICANS AND BILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD SAW LIVE AS IT HAPPENED.

Keep telling the big lie. Then in few months you can claim that this issue has already been decided and everyone knows it wasn't Bush's fault.

Bullsh!t. No one is believing this one. Not even you.

Quit your job at the White House Propaganda Office. No job is worth your soul.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: conjur

How much did the Louisiana Government really plan to help the people? It seems that two months earlier they may have stated they would not provide enough help. Perhaps this is why President Bush declared a state of emergency before the storm hit. He also offered assistance by sending Federal troops. Why did the Louisiana Governor refuse such an offer if they knew months (years?) ahead of time that they could not provide the support themselves.

Gov. Blanco ASKED the President for a Federal declaration of emergency.

PROOF:
http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Interesting, that was the day after the President declared a state of emergency. So, lets assume the two coincided and the dates have been muddled. In fact, lets assume this was not a document created by the Clinton advisor who was the former head of FEMA that worked so many days with Governor Blanco. The President did as requested and declared a stated of emergency which provided a way for help to be given as well as money to flow into the state. So why did the Governor refuse physical help?

I guess they wanted to be in control of everything rather than allowing the heads of the organizations to control. If that is true that is just as bad as the politics being played. How many died for their agenda?

Wait a minute! Littlegreenfootballs.com?!?! BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!

I agree that it is as bad as CNN which was also quoted. However, the quote was from the Washington Post. I can't access the Post's articles so used the one url that appeared not to paraphrase the Post. If they falsified the actual post please post the Post's post.

Why didn't the President take command of the situation? Blanco said, in her letter, that the local resources would not be able to handle the situation.

Why? Do you not understand the difference between an act of war and a natural disaster? The President can't simply order troops into a state and usurp the authority of the state for natural disasters.

He did not offer aid. He was spewing talking points while eating cake and playing guitar. He dropped the ball and could have been a *gasp* leader. He was ASKED to issue the Federal emergency declaration as I have PROVEN to you above.

ROFL! As I proved to you the declaration was issued, regardless of who initiated the contact. The Governor only accepted a promise of money but refused help. Are you suggesting it was not politics but money the Governor was interested in?

Wow...he urged people. mmmm...that sure did a lot of good. Why didn't he actually do something to HELP them evacuate?

What would you and other liberals have said had the President sent troops into Lousisiana and forcibly removed the citizens from their homes? Well, you didn't like the President sending troops into Iraq to liberate the oppressed. Would you have ordered the troops to shoot anyone who resisted?

AFTER Gov. Blanco asked him to do so on Aug. 27!

AFTER Gov. Blanco asked him to do so on Aug. 27!

FEMA posted the declaration on the 29th the day Katrina hit. President Bush declared it a state of emergency on the 26'th when he discussed help, through the night, with the Govenor. Apparently the next day the Governor requested that a state of emergency be declared but steadfastly refused help. As you saw from the links it was three days after Katrina hit that the Governor actually requested help. (NOT MONEY HELP, physical help.)

More BS.

So, you are saying that a liberal President would have ignored the wishes of a Governor and sent troops in? I really don't want to live in such a Fascist state.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: BBondThey didn't go in because much of their manpower and even more of their equipment is sitting in the deserts and cities of Iraq.

I understand your support of totalitarian governments and your support of a President using force against the people of the United States when they don't voluntarily evacuate an area.

What I don't understand is why you didn't mention the 190,000 troops in Europe and Korea that we could pull out. There are more there than in Iraq and they are where they are not needed or wanted and could be deployed elsewhere. Probably fairly quickly.

 

[BBond]

Hey White House staff member Expert Novice, read this...

There will and should be many questions about the response of state and local governments; in particular, couldn't they have done more to help the poor and sick escape? But the evidence points, above all, to a stunning lack of both preparation and urgency in the federal government's response.

Even military resources in the right place weren't ordered into action. "On Wednesday," said an editorial in The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss., "reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and performing calisthenics!"

We all saw what happened LIVE ON TV! Stop making yourself look even more ridiculous. Find another job. Comparing a national emergency response with an illegal invasion of a foreign nation is more ludicrous than even what YOU can come up with.

Where are you getting this stuff? And do you really expect ANYONE to believe it?

Link

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

Originally posted by: conjur

How much did the Louisiana Government really plan to help the people? It seems that two months earlier they may have stated they would not provide enough help. Perhaps this is why President Bush declared a state of emergency before the storm hit. He also offered assistance by sending Federal troops. Why did the Louisiana Governor refuse such an offer if they knew months (years?) ahead of time that they could not provide the support themselves.

Gov. Blanco ASKED the President for a Federal declaration of emergency.

PROOF:
http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Interesting, that was the day after the President declared a state of emergency. So, lets assume the two coincided and the dates have been muddled. In fact, lets assume this was not a document created by the Clinton advisor who was the former head of FEMA that worked so many days with Governor Blanco. The President did as requested and declared a stated of emergency which provided a way for help to be given as well as money to flow into the state. So why did the Governor refuse physical help?

I guess they wanted to be in control of everything rather than allowing the heads of the organizations to control. If that is true that is just as bad as the politics being played. How many died for their agenda?

The day after? Are you sure you want to sick with that lie?

From your own link:
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18478

The action follows the President's emergency declaration of August 27....

Wait a minute! Littlegreenfootballs.com?!?! BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!

I agree that it is as bad as CNN which was also quoted. However, the quote was from the Washington Post. I can't access the Post's articles so used the one url that appeared not to paraphrase the Post. If they falsified the actual post please post the Post's post.

The Post article covers this past weekend's attempts by the Feds to take over all operations. That's not the wise thing to do right now given their utter incompetence in the week prior.

Why didn't the President take command of the situation? Blanco said, in her letter, that the local resources would not be able to handle the situation.

Why? Do you not understand the difference between an act of war and a natural disaster? The President can't simply order troops into a state and usurp the authority of the state for natural disasters.

He can place troops there under State control for the purpose of supplying aid to victims.

He did not offer aid. He was spewing talking points while eating cake and playing guitar. He dropped the ball and could have been a *gasp* leader. He was ASKED to issue the Federal emergency declaration as I have PROVEN to you above.

ROFL! As I proved to you the declaration was issued, regardless of who initiated the contact. The Governor only accepted a promise of money but refused help. Are you suggesting it was not politics but money the Governor was interested in?

The Governor did NOT refuse help. The Feds have refused help. They refused Swedish requests to send in water. Then Condi pulled an about-face in her new shoes and said no offers would be rejected.

Wow...he urged people. mmmm...that sure did a lot of good. Why didn't he actually do something to HELP them evacuate?

What would you and other liberals have said had the President sent troops into Lousisiana and forcibly removed the citizens from their homes? Well, you didn't like the President sending troops into Iraq to liberate the oppressed. Would you have ordered the troops to shoot anyone who resisted?

Nice strawman. Need a match to burn it down?

AFTER Gov. Blanco asked him to do so on Aug. 27!

AFTER Gov. Blanco asked him to do so on Aug. 27!

FEMA posted the declaration on the 29th the day Katrina hit. President Bush declared it a state of emergency on the 26'th when he discussed help, through the night, with the Govenor. Apparently the next day the Governor requested that a state of emergency be declared but steadfastly refused help. As you saw from the links it was three days after Katrina hit that the Governor actually requested help. (NOT MONEY HELP, physical help.)

No. Now stop LYING. The President issued his declaration on the 27th AFTER the Gov. requested him to do so. Link provided above (it's your own link, for crying out loud.)

More BS.

So, you are saying that a liberal President would have ignored the wishes of a Governor and sent troops in? I really don't want to live in such a Fascist state.

Look, more strawmen.

 

[BBond]

D00D,

Stop with these laughable excuses. IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THE PRESIDENT TO AID IN A NATIONAL DISASTER. IT ISN'T AN INVASION, YOU FOOL.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: conjur

Aug. 26. And, Aug. 27 she ASKED the President to declare the Federal state of emergency. I've PROVEN this was the timeline, not your BS.

Umm, no you didn't. You are confused.

President Declares Major Disaster For Louisiana on August 29

AFTER Gov. Blanco asked him to do so on Aug. 27!

See things like the above are why nobody takes you seriously, conjur.

In your desperation and flailing to try to pin the blame on Bush you are conflating declaring an emergency and declaring a major disaster.

Bush declared an emergency on August 27. He declared a major disaster on August 29.

They are two seperate issues.

 

[conjur]

And both were done AFTER Gov. Blanco's letter was sent to the President. What part of that does your troll mind not understand? There's a reason I stopped replying to any crap you post, this is another example of that reason.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: conjur
And both were done AFTER Gov. Blanco's letter was sent to the President. What part of that does your troll mind not understand? There's a reason I stopped replying to any crap you post, this is another example of that reason.

BWAHAHAHA.

That's not what you were claiming at all. Now you're backpedaling furiously. The reason you don't reply to me is because I show you for the Bush hating troll you really are, expose your lies, flights of fancy, and biased manipulations of truth.

You were plainly wrong. Admit it and move on.

 

[conjur]

I am not backpedaling in the least. Your trollish mind is delusional. Begone with thee.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

To end conjur's and BBond's lies here is a timeline and information that doesn't come from the extreme leftist dailykos or other such hate sites.

KATRINA: RESPONSE TIMELINE

You can whine about the site(if you are a troll) but almost all the information in the timeline has been compiled from Orleans Times-Picayune so if you don't like the information - don't blame the messenger(the site compiling the timeling).

So anyway, it seems that while conjur and the other extremists who's agenda seems to be blaming Bush, others are looking at the reality of the situation and taking a look at the situation in it's full light- not partisan blinders. I'm sure things will be sorted out when the time is right, but still today, the issues at hand are saving and providing for the displaced.

It sickens me that you trolls only want to blame blame blame instead of work to help or atleast look at the whole picture rationally.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: conjur
I am not backpedaling in the least. Your trollish mind is delusional. Begone with thee.

LOL. The proof is in black and white.

btw, isn't a presidential emergency declaration preceded by a governor filing a formal request for such; one of those standard bureaucratic things?

You might want to check that out before you keep waving this letter around as some sort of proof that Blanco got the ball rolling.

Seeing how she's responded to this entire situation I wouldn't doubt if Bush had to call her up and urge her to file the request.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
To end conjur's and BBond's lies here is a timeline and information that doesn't come from the extreme leftist dailykos or other such hate sites.

KATRINA: RESPONSE TIMELINE

You can whine about the site(if you are a troll) but almost all the information in the timeline has been compiled from Orleans Times-Picayune so if you don't like the information - don't blame the messenger(the site compiling the timeling).

So anyway, it seems that while conjur and the other extremists who's agenda seems to be blaming Bush, others are looking at the reality of the situation and taking a look at the situation in it's full light- not partisan blinders. I'm sure things will be sorted out when the time is right, but still today, the issues at hand are saving and providing for the displaced.

It sickens me that you trolls only want to blame blame blame instead of work to help or atleast look at the whole picture rationally.

Your rightwinghuthouse linky no worky

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
To end conjur's and BBond's lies here is a timeline and information that doesn't come from the extreme leftist dailykos or other such hate sites.

KATRINA: RESPONSE TIMELINE

You can whine about the site(if you are a troll) but almost all the information in the timeline has been compiled from Orleans Times-Picayune so if you don't like the information - don't blame the messenger(the site compiling the timeling).

So anyway, it seems that while conjur and the other extremists who's agenda seems to be blaming Bush, others are looking at the reality of the situation and taking a look at the situation in it's full light- not partisan blinders. I'm sure things will be sorted out when the time is right, but still today, the issues at hand are saving and providing for the displaced.

It sickens me that you trolls only want to blame blame blame instead of work to help or atleast look at the whole picture rationally.

Your rightwinghuthouse linky no worky

It took me a while, but I finally got it.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
To end conjur's and BBond's lies here is a timeline and information that doesn't come from the extreme leftist dailykos or other such hate sites.

KATRINA: RESPONSE TIMELINE

You can whine about the site(if you are a troll) but almost all the information in the timeline has been compiled from Orleans Times-Picayune so if you don't like the information - don't blame the messenger(the site compiling the timeling).

So anyway, it seems that while conjur and the other extremists who's agenda seems to be blaming Bush, others are looking at the reality of the situation and taking a look at the situation in it's full light- not partisan blinders. I'm sure things will be sorted out when the time is right, but still today, the issues at hand are saving and providing for the displaced.

It sickens me that you trolls only want to blame blame blame instead of work to help or atleast look at the whole picture rationally.

Your rightwinghuthouse linky no worky

Yes it does - it might be getting hammered though. Here is the opening comments on this timeline compilation:

NOTE: My little hosting company has not been able to keep up with the monster traffic this site has recieved in the last 18 hours. If you have trouble leaving a comment or if the page is slow loading, I apologize.

The following is a timeline that details the response of local, state, and federal authorities to the disaster in New Orleans.

I have not included any information for other areas hit by the storm.

I used one source almost exclusively ? the online editions of the New Orleans Times-Picayune (hereinafter referred to as TP). I daresay the paper will receive a Pulitzer Prize for their coverage. (9/6): More sources have been used as they have become available.

IT IS NOT MY INTENTION TO PLAY THE ?BLAME GAME? BY PUBLISHING THIS TIMELINE.. In fact, if you have a link to a story that contradicts or adds to this timeline, I urge you to send it along. My sole purpose is to place this timeline on the record to dispel the rumors, the spin, and the outright falsehoods being flung about by both right and left bloggers and pundits.

The timeline runs from Friday, August 26 to Friday September 2.

 

[conjur]

And that timeline pretty much matches everything I and others have been saying. But, it excludes much of the f-ed FEMA actions denying and preventing aid from coming in.