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DHS wasn't going to allow the LA NG in to help unless she allowed them to be Federalized... what kind of lame BS is that... they are already criminals for how many of the NG they sent to Iraq to die.. and now the dumbfvks argue over Federalizing them or else they would not allow them to help save lives????

these sick bastards turned away 3 truckloads of water from Wal-Mart... some neocons tried to say.. maybe it was unsafe.. and I say.. DO YOU THINK WAL-MART WAS CONCERNED... they wanted to HELP HUMANS SURVIVE... NOT DEAL WITH BUREAUCRATIC DICKHEADS
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: BBond
From Conjur's link:

Several states ready and willing to send National Guard troops to the rescue in New Orleans didn't get the go-ahead until days after the storm struck ? a delay nearly certain to be investigated by Congress.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard last Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.

HOW THE FVCK DOES ANYONE, EVEN YOU BLIND BUSH LOYALIST IDIOTS, POSSIBLY EXCUSE THIS???

I still don't understand, or perhaps it is you. Ignoring your gutter language. The President can not legally and ethically force the Governor of any state to call for assistance by the National Guard. The Governor requests then the President can issue the orders. The President tried before the hurricane hit to send help. The Governor refused.

Why are you ignoring these pesky facts?

You ignorant fool. Both Blanco and Nagin were BEGGING for assistance. Bush took FIVE DAYS to get the first bottle of fvcking water to New Orleans.

Bush is a disgrace for his miserable failure and you're a disgrace for defending him.
 

conjur

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FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e2511c8.html

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/natio...nalspecial/05blame.html?ex=1283572800&

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/natio...nalspecial/05blame.html?ex=1283572800&

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862& ;BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=68561&rfi=6

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati...9040369sep04,1,4144825.story?ctrack=1&

FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca...aley,1,2011979.story?coll=chi-news-hed

FEMA turns away generators
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: conjur
FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e2511c8.html

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/natio...nalspecial/05blame.html?ex=1283572800&

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/natio...nalspecial/05blame.html?ex=1283572800&

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862& ;BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=68561&rfi=6

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati...9040369sep04,1,4144825.story?ctrack=1&

FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca...aley,1,2011979.story?coll=chi-news-hed

FEMA turns away generators
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470


Like I said before.. If George wanted to do some Honor Killings on both Chertoff and Michael Brown then I would support him.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: BBond
It doesn't matter, Conjur. Expert Novice STILL won't understand.

They won't understand four simple words:

The buck stops here.

any other administration that acted/reacted the way this administration has would be getting as much heat and criticism.
 

Starbuck1975

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You ignorant fool. Both Blanco and Nagin were BEGGING for assistance. Bush took FIVE DAYS to get the first bottle of fvcking water to New Orleans. Bush is a disgrace for his miserable failure and you're a disgrace for defending him.
There are accounts that 50% to 80% of the New Orleans police abandoned their posts in the aftermath of Katrina...the remaining were left to fend for themselves, limited to defending their stations or contending with groups of heavily armed criminals...I applaud those brave police who chose to stay in New Orleans and perform their civic duty...had their peers done the same, the security and crowd control situation would not have deteriorated so quickly.

The city of New Orleans did not have an evacuation plan in place for such a contingency, and local law enforcement officials simply chose to ignore their duty...perhaps if the foundation was in place for dealing with this crisis, the burden would not have shifted to the Federal government in the first place.
 
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Sean Penn bashes Bush by accusing him of "criminal negligence" in the reponse to Katrina and then tries to show him how it should be done:

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/52337.htm

Sean Penn's Hurricane Katrina rescue boat just wasn't sound enough to help those in New Orleans. Penn had planned to rescue children waylaid by Katrina's flood waters, but apparently forgot to plug in a hole in the bottom of his vessel, which began filling with water seconds after its launch the other day, reports the Melbourne Herald Sun. The star was seen wearing what appeared to be a white flak jacket and frantically bailing water out with a red plastic cup. When the motor didn't start, Penn and his entourage ? including a personal photographer ? were forced to use paddles to propel themselves down a flooded street.
What a maroon.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Sean Penn bashes Bush by accusing him of "criminal negligence" in the reponse to Katrina and then tries to show him how it should be done:

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/52337.htm

Sean Penn's Hurricane Katrina rescue boat just wasn't sound enough to help those in New Orleans. Penn had planned to rescue children waylaid by Katrina's flood waters, but apparently forgot to plug in a hole in the bottom of his vessel, which began filling with water seconds after its launch the other day, reports the Melbourne Herald Sun. The star was seen wearing what appeared to be a white flak jacket and frantically bailing water out with a red plastic cup. When the motor didn't start, Penn and his entourage ? including a personal photographer ? were forced to use paddles to propel themselves down a flooded street.
What a maroon.

LOL!

does he get any props for tryin?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
You ignorant fool. Both Blanco and Nagin were BEGGING for assistance. Bush took FIVE DAYS to get the first bottle of fvcking water to New Orleans. Bush is a disgrace for his miserable failure and you're a disgrace for defending him.
There are accounts that 50% to 80% of the New Orleans police abandoned their posts in the aftermath of Katrina...the remaining were left to fend for themselves, limited to defending their stations or contending with groups of heavily armed criminals...I applaud those brave police who chose to stay in New Orleans and perform their civic duty...had their peers done the same, the security and crowd control situation would not have deteriorated so quickly.

The city of New Orleans did not have an evacuation plan in place for such a contingency, and local law enforcement officials simply chose to ignore their duty...perhaps if the foundation was in place for dealing with this crisis, the burden would not have shifted to the Federal government in the first place.

Among the ignorant statements made here by people whose only possible excuse is that they work for the White House, your statement stands out.

Let me get this straight. You're saying that a storm that wreaked devastation along 800 or so miles of Gulf Coast, leaving many towns and cities completely destroyed, could have been handled by local authorities.

I guess, judging from the FIVE DAYS it took them to react at all, that's what Bush, Chertoff, and Brown thought too.

You people are truly despicable. You aren't Americans. You aren't even human.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Sean Penn bashes Bush by accusing him of "criminal negligence" in the reponse to Katrina and then tries to show him how it should be done:

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/52337.htm

Sean Penn's Hurricane Katrina rescue boat just wasn't sound enough to help those in New Orleans. Penn had planned to rescue children waylaid by Katrina's flood waters, but apparently forgot to plug in a hole in the bottom of his vessel, which began filling with water seconds after its launch the other day, reports the Melbourne Herald Sun. The star was seen wearing what appeared to be a white flak jacket and frantically bailing water out with a red plastic cup. When the motor didn't start, Penn and his entourage ? including a personal photographer ? were forced to use paddles to propel themselves down a flooded street.
What a maroon.

And where were you while Penn was risking life and limb to provide aid that the federal government refused to provide?

Sitting at your desk at your White House job?

 

Pabster

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Most pathetic is that the NOPD only had 3 boats, and 2 of them were broken.

That might explain part of the 1/3 desertion rate...

The mayor has some explaining to do.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Wait, President Bush declared it a Federal Emergency BEFORE the hurricane hit Lousiana? Fema and the National Guard were already there before hand?

President Bush publically asked the people of New Orleans to leave?

Yep, President Bush should have done more. Maybe he should have declared Marshall Law on Sunday and forced people to leave. Is that what President Clinton would have done?
The Gov. declared a state of emergency on Aug. 26. She asked for military assistance on Aug. 28. Gen. Honore said he was staged and ready and waiting on the word from the WH to go in.

That word didn't arrive until Thur.

Why?

Then that is the real problem. It seems liberals tend to believe only what the mainstream media show. Even when what is show is proven to be a lie liberals tend to think "fake but true."

WTF is that supposed to mean? You saying CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. were faking the video of tens of thousands of people trapped in the Superdome and the Conv. Ctr. with no food and water? That those air/water rescues were a Hollywood fabrication?


Why? I told you that I would be posting... read that post and you will know why.

Your last paragraph is an interesting attempt at shifting the subject. What you fail to examine is why help was delayed. There is no need for you to examine such issues since the mainstream media didn't deem such reasons important for you to know. Had you looked beyond the mainstream media then you would have found your own answer. Hence, what (typical language excluded) that is supposed to mean.
Nice of you to avoid answering any question posed of you. Instead you pull the typical apologist m.o. and divert.

As for MSM, I was watching local feeds from WWL and WDSU. They were taking reports from people experiencing the disaster, not from some editorial staff in NYC or Atlanta.



I did answer, in a different thread as stated BEFORE you posted. Since you apparently don't consider this adequate here is your answer. To all others, I apologize for the double post but conjur needs this information.

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eilute
Well he does have to address it in some way. I'm not too sure what he should do differently.

As far as disasters go, this may prove to be larger than 9/11. We do not yet know how much damage there is.

WTF? Folks, this is MUCH worse than 9/11.

And that is the problem with the current administration.

We have had almost 4 years to prepare for a major disaster. We knew a major storm could hit landfall at any point along the coast. But apparently instead of having a worse case plan to start from they FEMA and the BUsh administration are winging it.

5 days to get personnel and equipment rolling and maybe into a area closer to the expected disaster area.

If they can't figure out how to build contingence plans hire someone from the War Plans department of the Pentagon to show your personnel how to do it.

I agree. What I'm not sure about is how "Homeland Security" and FEMA interact. "Homeland Security" is under the control of the President but unless terrorists caused Katrina I'm not sure this department has the authority to take any action.

FEMA on the other hand has more authority to take action than any other agency. Under such conditions they have absolute power over the President, the Constitution, and the People of the United States. So, what is their problem.

The same thing happened in August of 1992 when FEMA responded very slowly to Hurricane Andrew. Andrew did 30 billion dollars in damage. The dollar damage of Hurricane Katrina will be about the same Andrew, the ocean damage is likely to be much less, but the human death toll could be the worst we have ever seen.

Is it time to make FEMA responsible to Congress or even the President? In 1992 President Bush saw that FEMA was, well, doing nothing and jumped into action. It looks like President Bush will have to do the same.

FEMA. Federal Emergency Malfesance Agency
(BTW, if you liked that acronym... EPA = Environmental Pollution Agency... think MTBE)

Ok, setting aside the sarcasm and humor for a bit.

Obviously FEMA is not under the control of the President thus, the President could not force them to take action directly. He could threaten to cut funding but at least one political party would be calling for impeachment if he took such an action.

I was wondering why FEMA took so long to respond. What happens when a Governor refuses help from the President and refuses to call out the National Guard


How much did the Louisiana Government really plan to help the people? It seems that two months earlier they may have stated they would not provide enough help. Perhaps this is why President Bush declared a state of emergency before the storm hit. He also offered assistance by sending Federal troops. Why did the Louisiana Governor refuse such an offer if they knew months (years?) ahead of time that they could not provide the support themselves.

"And yet apparently there was no emergency plan and no resources to evacuate "the careless, the homeless, the aged and infirm." So, again, with the city and state not having an emergency plan why would they refuse help from the President? I?m sure they were not playing politics with peoples lives.

Wait, maybe they were. Notice how the Washington Post slants the offer of aid to Louisiana. Remember local, state, and federal authorities had already agreed that Louisiana did not have the resources to handle such an event. Local and State authorities even held a press conference in July to warn their citizens that they would not be able to help. Even before the hurricane hit the President urged the people of New Orleans to evacuate. He also declared a state of emergency before Katrina hit the coast. He also offered aid. Now to answer my question about how they slanted the offer of help.

?federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday?

Blanco Refused to Act

So, the Democrats call an offer of help ?wresting authority? but the Democrats want the President to ignore the Governor and send in troops. That would probably be an impeachable offense for a conservative President (a liberal President would be hailed as a savior).

How long did it take the Governor to recognize they had a disaster? Remember, the President declared a state of emergency before the storm hit.

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday?.. Two, or perhaps three days later. Of course it was five or six days after the President offered help. Was the Governor of Louisiana watching the same reports the rest of us were? Well, maybe. The problems and delays were being reported as the fault of the President of the United States so why rush. After all, what is the problem with 80,000 dead if it means getting control of the Federal Government? (80,000 deaths was the estimate of eventual deaths that I heard about two days after Katrina hit New Orleans.)

In fact it appears that the Governor was so busy playing CYA that they could not be bothered with helping the people of their state? Will Louisiana now elect a Republican Governor?

Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the federal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the state?s victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort.

Again, she wouldn?t work with FEMA but is working with a former Clinton administrator to protect herself. Wow.


So, did FEMA delay? (Democrats, remember, this is CNN talking! Also note that it was reported on August 29. That is at least two days before the Governor of Louisiana finally decided that they should call for help.
FEMA goes into disaster mode for Katrina

President Bush, as he readied the federal government for a massive relief effort, on Sunday urged people in the path of Hurricane Katrina to forget anything but their safety and move to higher ground as instructed.

As the Category 4 the storm surged ashore just east of New Orleans, Louisiana, on Monday, FEMA had medical teams, rescue squads and groups prepared to supply food and water poised in a semicircle around the city, its director, Michael Brown, said.



President Declares Major Disaster For Louisiana on August 29



FEMA: First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local Authorities

WASHINGTON D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response and head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), today urged all fire and emergency services departments not to respond to counties and states affected by Hurricane Katrina without being requested and lawfully dispatched by state and local authorities under mutual aid agreements and the Emergency Management Assistance Compact.

Again, the delay by the Governor of Louisiana would have been billed as an invasion by the liberal media had the President ordered troops into Louisiana. The President could not force FEMA to move in without authority.

So, we know why FEMA and the President delayed even though they were ready to help six days before the Governor of Louisiana was. I will allow others to determine why the Governor delayed for nearly a week.

 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Most pathetic is that the NOPD only had 3 boats, and 2 of them were broken.

That might explain part of the 1/3 desertion rate...

The mayor has some explaining to do.

LOL, 500 police officers left because 2 boats were broke down? :laugh:
 
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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Sean Penn bashes Bush by accusing him of "criminal negligence" in the reponse to Katrina and then tries to show him how it should be done:

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/52337.htm

Sean Penn's Hurricane Katrina rescue boat just wasn't sound enough to help those in New Orleans. Penn had planned to rescue children waylaid by Katrina's flood waters, but apparently forgot to plug in a hole in the bottom of his vessel, which began filling with water seconds after its launch the other day, reports the Melbourne Herald Sun. The star was seen wearing what appeared to be a white flak jacket and frantically bailing water out with a red plastic cup. When the motor didn't start, Penn and his entourage ? including a personal photographer ? were forced to use paddles to propel themselves down a flooded street.
What a maroon.

And where were you while Penn was risking life and limb to provide aid that the federal government refused to provide?

Sitting at your desk at your White House job?
I was doing volunteer work collecting donations for Katrina victims.

What were you doing? Hunting for another replacement Cap Locks key?

 

BBond

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You people are either ALL working at the White House propaganda office or you're just plain stupid.

Here's a bit of light reading. Maybe you can explain the monumental fvck ups listed here.

This is the most miserable response to a national crisis in the history of the United States of America.

WTFU people, or next time it'll be YOU.

Killed by Contempt

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: September 5, 2005

Each day since Katrina brings more evidence of the lethal ineptitude of federal officials. I'm not letting state and local officials off the hook, but federal officials had access to resources that could have made all the difference, but were never mobilized.

Here's one of many examples: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday - without patients.

Experts say that the first 72 hours after a natural disaster are the crucial window during which prompt action can save many lives. Yet action after Katrina was anything but prompt. Newsweek reports that a "strange paralysis" set in among Bush administration officials, who debated lines of authority while thousands died.

What caused that paralysis? President Bush certainly failed his test. After 9/11, all the country really needed from him was a speech. This time it needed action - and he didn't deliver.

But the federal government's lethal ineptitude wasn't just a consequence of Mr. Bush's personal inadequacy; it was a consequence of ideological hostility to the very idea of using government to serve the public good. For 25 years the right has been denigrating the public sector, telling us that government is always the problem, not the solution. Why should we be surprised that when we needed a government solution, it wasn't forthcoming?

Does anyone remember the fight over federalizing airport security? Even after 9/11, the administration and conservative members of Congress tried to keep airport security in the hands of private companies. They were more worried about adding federal employees than about closing a deadly hole in national security.

Of course, the attempt to keep airport security private wasn't just about philosophy; it was also an attempt to protect private interests. But that's not really a contradiction. Ideological cynicism about government easily morphs into a readiness to treat government spending as a way to reward your friends. After all, if you don't believe government can do any good, why not?

Which brings us to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In my last column, I asked whether the Bush administration had destroyed FEMA's effectiveness. Now we know the answer.

Several recent news analyses on FEMA's sorry state have attributed the agency's decline to its inclusion in the Department of Homeland Security, whose prime concern is terrorism, not natural disasters. But that supposed change in focus misses a crucial part of the story.

For one thing, the undermining of FEMA began as soon as President Bush took office. Instead of choosing a professional with expertise in responses to disaster to head the agency, Mr. Bush appointed Joseph Allbaugh, a close political confidant. Mr. Allbaugh quickly began trying to scale back some of FEMA's preparedness programs.

You might have expected the administration to reconsider its hostility to emergency preparedness after 9/11 - after all, emergency management is as important in the aftermath of a terrorist attack as it is following a natural disaster. As many people have noticed, the failed response to Katrina shows that we are less ready to cope with a terrorist attack today than we were four years ago.

But the downgrading of FEMA continued, with the appointment of Michael Brown as Mr. Allbaugh's successor.

Mr. Brown had no obvious qualifications, other than having been Mr. Allbaugh's college roommate. But Mr. Brown was made deputy director of FEMA; The Boston Herald reports that he was forced out of his previous job, overseeing horse shows. And when Mr. Allbaugh left, Mr. Brown became the agency's director. The raw cronyism of that appointment showed the contempt the administration felt for the agency; one can only imagine the effects on staff morale.

That contempt, as I've said, reflects a general hostility to the role of government as a force for good. And Americans living along the Gulf Coast have now reaped the consequences of that hostility.

The administration has always tried to treat 9/11 purely as a lesson about good versus evil. But disasters must be coped with, even if they aren't caused by evildoers. Now we have another deadly lesson in why we need an effective government, and why dedicated public servants deserve our respect. Will we listen?
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: BBond
From Conjur's link:

Several states ready and willing to send National Guard troops to the rescue in New Orleans didn't get the go-ahead until days after the storm struck ? a delay nearly certain to be investigated by Congress.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard last Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.

HOW THE FVCK DOES ANYONE, EVEN YOU BLIND BUSH LOYALIST IDIOTS, POSSIBLY EXCUSE THIS???

I still don't understand, or perhaps it is you. Ignoring your gutter language. The President can not legally and ethically force the Governor of any state to call for assistance by the National Guard. The Governor requests then the President can issue the orders. The President tried before the hurricane hit to send help. The Governor refused.

Why are you ignoring these pesky facts?

You ignorant fool. Both Blanco and Nagin were BEGGING for assistance. Bush took FIVE DAYS to get the first bottle of fvcking water to New Orleans.

Bush is a disgrace for his miserable failure and you're a disgrace for defending him.


Again with the language. tsk tsk. Why are you ignoring your vaulted CNN which is where many of my posts came from. Why are you ignoring what Governor Blanco said. Quit listening to what unofficial sources are reporting. Fakes and lies do not truth make.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Sean Penn bashes Bush by accusing him of "criminal negligence" in the reponse to Katrina and then tries to show him how it should be done:

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/52337.htm

Sean Penn's Hurricane Katrina rescue boat just wasn't sound enough to help those in New Orleans. Penn had planned to rescue children waylaid by Katrina's flood waters, but apparently forgot to plug in a hole in the bottom of his vessel, which began filling with water seconds after its launch the other day, reports the Melbourne Herald Sun. The star was seen wearing what appeared to be a white flak jacket and frantically bailing water out with a red plastic cup. When the motor didn't start, Penn and his entourage ? including a personal photographer ? were forced to use paddles to propel themselves down a flooded street.
What a maroon.

And where were you while Penn was risking life and limb to provide aid that the federal government refused to provide?

Sitting at your desk at your White House job?
I was doing volunteer work collecting donations for Katrina victims.

What were you doing? Hunting for another replacement Cap Locks key?

I did more than you. I didn't make excuses for the criminal neglect of your administration and I donated what I could.

Enabling these people through your ridiculous excuses negates ANYTHING you could possibly have done because people like you make it possible for people like them to do it time and time again. You scum.

 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: BBond
It doesn't matter, Conjur. Expert Novice STILL won't understand.

They won't understand four simple words:

The buck stops here.

any other administration that acted/reacted the way this administration has would be getting as much heat and criticism.


Wow. The liberals are in support of the President invading a state. Now you are supporting the President picking the Mayors and Governors so that they are controlled by the President and subject to his bidding.

Well, that is the Fascist / Communist way, right? Hopefully your desires will never reach fruition in the United States of America.

 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Most pathetic is that the NOPD only had 3 boats, and 2 of them were broken.

That might explain part of the 1/3 desertion rate...

The mayor has some explaining to do.

That is 1/3 missing or deserted. Hopefully, they deserted and won't be found dead in their homes.
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: BBond
You people are either ALL working at the White House propaganda office or you're just plain stupid.

Here's a bit of light reading. Maybe you can explain the monumental fvck ups listed here.

This is the most miserable response to a national crisis in the history of the United States of America.

WTFU people, or next time it'll be YOU.

Killed by Contempt

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: September 5, 2005

Each day since Katrina brings more evidence of the lethal ineptitude of federal officials. I'm not letting state and local officials off the hook, but federal officials had access to resources that could have made all the difference, but were never mobilized.

Here's one of many examples: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday - without patients.

Experts say that the first 72 hours after a natural disaster are the crucial window during which prompt action can save many lives. Yet action after Katrina was anything but prompt. Newsweek reports that a "strange paralysis" set in among Bush administration officials, who debated lines of authority while thousands died.

What caused that paralysis? President Bush certainly failed his test. After 9/11, all the country really needed from him was a speech. This time it needed action - and he didn't deliver.

But the federal government's lethal ineptitude wasn't just a consequence of Mr. Bush's personal inadequacy; it was a consequence of ideological hostility to the very idea of using government to serve the public good. For 25 years the right has been denigrating the public sector, telling us that government is always the problem, not the solution. Why should we be surprised that when we needed a government solution, it wasn't forthcoming?

Does anyone remember the fight over federalizing airport security? Even after 9/11, the administration and conservative members of Congress tried to keep airport security in the hands of private companies. They were more worried about adding federal employees than about closing a deadly hole in national security.

Of course, the attempt to keep airport security private wasn't just about philosophy; it was also an attempt to protect private interests. But that's not really a contradiction. Ideological cynicism about government easily morphs into a readiness to treat government spending as a way to reward your friends. After all, if you don't believe government can do any good, why not?

Which brings us to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In my last column, I asked whether the Bush administration had destroyed FEMA's effectiveness. Now we know the answer.

Several recent news analyses on FEMA's sorry state have attributed the agency's decline to its inclusion in the Department of Homeland Security, whose prime concern is terrorism, not natural disasters. But that supposed change in focus misses a crucial part of the story.

For one thing, the undermining of FEMA began as soon as President Bush took office. Instead of choosing a professional with expertise in responses to disaster to head the agency, Mr. Bush appointed Joseph Allbaugh, a close political confidant. Mr. Allbaugh quickly began trying to scale back some of FEMA's preparedness programs.

You might have expected the administration to reconsider its hostility to emergency preparedness after 9/11 - after all, emergency management is as important in the aftermath of a terrorist attack as it is following a natural disaster. As many people have noticed, the failed response to Katrina shows that we are less ready to cope with a terrorist attack today than we were four years ago.

But the downgrading of FEMA continued, with the appointment of Michael Brown as Mr. Allbaugh's successor.

Mr. Brown had no obvious qualifications, other than having been Mr. Allbaugh's college roommate. But Mr. Brown was made deputy director of FEMA; The Boston Herald reports that he was forced out of his previous job, overseeing horse shows. And when Mr. Allbaugh left, Mr. Brown became the agency's director. The raw cronyism of that appointment showed the contempt the administration felt for the agency; one can only imagine the effects on staff morale.

That contempt, as I've said, reflects a general hostility to the role of government as a force for good. And Americans living along the Gulf Coast have now reaped the consequences of that hostility.

The administration has always tried to treat 9/11 purely as a lesson about good versus evil. But disasters must be coped with, even if they aren't caused by evildoers. Now we have another deadly lesson in why we need an effective government, and why dedicated public servants deserve our respect. Will we listen?



My "propoganda" came from CNN and other liberal sources. The non-liberal sources included two from FEMA (dated) and one other post.

I do, however, agree with you that CNN is a source of propaganda.


Here's one of many examples: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday - without patients.

Yep. So sad that the Governor refused help until six days after the President offered help.
 

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Possibly 10,000 human beings and maybe more dead and the finger pointing continues.

It's time for some independant investigation as to who did what when.

I, for one am confident where the lion's share of the blame will land. /thread
 
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Sean Penn bashes Bush by accusing him of "criminal negligence" in the reponse to Katrina and then tries to show him how it should be done:

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/52337.htm

Sean Penn's Hurricane Katrina rescue boat just wasn't sound enough to help those in New Orleans. Penn had planned to rescue children waylaid by Katrina's flood waters, but apparently forgot to plug in a hole in the bottom of his vessel, which began filling with water seconds after its launch the other day, reports the Melbourne Herald Sun. The star was seen wearing what appeared to be a white flak jacket and frantically bailing water out with a red plastic cup. When the motor didn't start, Penn and his entourage ? including a personal photographer ? were forced to use paddles to propel themselves down a flooded street.
What a maroon.

And where were you while Penn was risking life and limb to provide aid that the federal government refused to provide?

Sitting at your desk at your White House job?
I was doing volunteer work collecting donations for Katrina victims.

What were you doing? Hunting for another replacement Cap Locks key?

I did more than you. I didn't make excuses for the criminal neglect of your administration and I donated what I could.

Enabling these people through your ridiculous excuses negates ANYTHING you could possibly have done because people like you make it possible for people like them to do it time and time again. You scum.
iow, you didn't do sh!t.

Thought so.
 

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Possibly 10,000 human beings and maybe more dead and the finger pointing continues.

It's time for some independant investigation as to who did what when.

I, for one am confident where the lion's share of the blame will land. /thread

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