Bush won't rule out attack on Iran

conjur

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UPDATE 2/28
Hmm...now the Bush admin is dabbling with offering Iran membership in the WTO???
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0228/dailyUpdate.html



I think the answer to that is an unequivocal: HELL YES!


Bush declares solidarity
with Europe on Iran
Diplomacy is first choice, he says,
but force cannot be ruled out
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6992154/
BRUSSELS - President Bush said Friday that Iran is trying to use the United States? refusal to join European talks over Tehran?s nuclear program as an excuse for not giving up uranium enrichment.

In interviews on the eve of a trip by the president to Europe, Bush stressed that the United States preferred diplomacy and did not want to use military action against Iran over the nuclear question.

?What they?re trying to do is kind of wiggle out. They?re trying to say, ?Well, we won?t do anything because America is not involved.? Well, America is involved. We?re in close consultation with our friends,? Bush said.

He was speaking to Germany?s ARD television, one of a series of interviews he gave Friday prior to a trip to Belgium, Germany and Slovakia next week.

The European Union, represented by France, Britain and Germany, has been trying to persuade Iran to scrap any nuclear weapons-related activities in return for economic incentives.

The United States has rejected European calls for the Bush administration to bolster the EU?s leverage by getting involved in the bargaining and offering incentives of its own for Iran to end uranium enrichment activities.

Washington wants Iran to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions ? which Tehran denies having ? and comply with International Atomic Energy Agency obligations, stop support for terrorism and allow democratic reforms.

In the ARD interview, Bush insisted that he wants a peaceful, diplomatic solution to the problem and said any talk of a military attack is ?just not the truth.?

?We want diplomacy to work, and I believe diplomacy can work so long as the Iranians don?t divide Europe and the United States. And the common goal is for them not to have a nuclear weapon,? Bush told Belgium?s VRT television channel.

'Never ... say never'
?First of all you never want a president to say never, but military action is certainly not, is never the president?s first choice,? Bush said, when asked if he could rule out military action against Iran.

?Diplomacy is always the president?s, or at least always my first choice and we?ve got a common goal, and that is that Iran should not have a nuclear weapon,? he said in the interview taped in Washington and broadcast before his arrival in Brussels Sunday for summits with NATO and the EU.

Bush suggested there was no divergence between the policy of Washington and Europe on Iran and said they could succeed together in ensuring that Iran did not develop an atom bomb.

We?ve got a common goal and that is that Iran should not have a nuclear weapon ... I think if we continue to speak with one voice and not let them split us up and keep the pressure on, we can achieve the objective,? he said.

?I?m convinced again that if the Iranians hear us loud and clear and without any wavering, that they will make the rational decision,? Bush said in an interview with France 3 television.

Israel said Wednesday that Iran was just six months away from having the knowledge to build nuclear weapons.

European leaders are hoping to convince Bush to take a bigger role in the negotiations with Iran. Former Irish Prime Minister John Bruton, the European Commission?s ambassador to the United States, said this week the leaders? goal is ?getting the United States involved in a more committed way? in their talks with Iran.

Bush is expected to use his trip to try to soothe ruffled feathers after a first term in which he has been criticized in Europe for riding rough-shod over the views of European leaders, particularly France?s President Jacques Chirac.

Russia proceeds with aid for Iran reactor
His comments came amid debate over Iran's nuclear intentions. Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that he is convinced Iran does not intend to develop nuclear weapons and said he plans to visit the nation.

Putin, at a meeting with Iranian National Security Council chief Hasan Rohani, also said Russia would continue its nuclear cooperation with Iran. Moscow has helped Iran build a nuclear reactor, a project that has been heavily criticized by the United States which fears it could be used to help Tehran develop nuclear weapons.

"The latest steps from Iran confirm that Iran does not intend to produce nuclear weapons and we will continue to develop relations in all spheres, including the peaceful use of nuclear energy," Putin said.


"We hope that Iran will strictly adhere to all international agreements, in relation to Russia and the international community," he said, adding that he had accepted an invitation by Iran's leadership for him to visit the country.

Russia's nuclear chief is expected in Iran next week to sign a protocol on returning spent nuclear fuel to Russia, the only remaining obstacle to the launch of the Russian-built reactor. If the signing goes ahead as planned on Feb. 26, it would pave the way for the deliveries of Russian nuclear fuel for the Bushehr reactor, which is set to begin operating in early 2006.

The protocol is aimed at reducing concerns that Iran could reprocess spent nuclear fuel from the $800 million Bushehr reactor to extract plutonium, which could be used in nuclear weapons. Moscow says that having Iran ship spent nuclear fuel back to Russia, along with international monitoring, will make any such project impossible.
I think his "common goal" is more accurately defined as "privatization of Iranian old fields" and further insurance for protecting poor, helpless Israel (the only country in the MidEast that actually does possess nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, and has also invaded other countries against international law and continues to support state-sponsored terrorism.
 

Genx87

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I think the message hs is sending is to take these discussions serious.
I will be wholly surprised if there is an invasion of Iran without unconditional world support. But he apparently wants Iran to know there are some teeth behind the talks.

 

BBond

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It's starting to sound like Iraq.

Iran has WMD. :roll:

"We wouldn't want the smoking gun to come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

These people are so evil it's almost comical in a Feilniesque sort of way.

And worse, most of America is so stupid they'll fall for the same lies twice.

"Fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again."

 

conjur

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Hmm...sounds like the same rhetoric behind the run-up to the Iraq invasion.


And Condi's statements that there are no plans for war yet are just like Bush's back in 2002 about "no war plans on my desk" even though Franks was all but done giving Rumsfeld the fastest invasion method he could achieve.



IAEA says no nukes
Putin says no nukes

Bush says, "Game on!"
 

ntdz

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Conjur, can you name ANY President who ruled out the use of force completely? No, it's NEVER happened.
 

Genx87

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Oh are we using Putin now as a source?

Funny as you dimissed his claim his intelligence agencies confirmed Iraqi WMD before the invasion.

As for the invasion of Iran. I think it would be political suicide without absolute proof and world backing. But sending a message to the dirtbags in Tehran that we mean business is needed.

I think we have the Iranians where we need them for now. They are surrounded by nations that have elections and by our military. They and Syria are apparently running scared enough to jump in bed together.

Also the younger people in Iran are apparently pretty educated and it should be a matter of time before they can bring them down. The wild card in all of this is obviously the Nuke question. Can we wait around for the revolution if these dirtbags are about to go nuclear?
 

Aimster

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Turn on the T.V and you'll see headlines like:

Iranian bus crash kills 12
?
How the hell is that news?

Iran is in the news now for any reason. I guess the bus crash was the work of the evil Iranian mullahs.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Turn on the T.V and you'll see headlines like:

Iranian bus crash kills 12
?
How the hell is that news?

Iran is in the news now for any reason. I guess the bus crash was the work of the evil Iranian mullahs.

What? I have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing Iran is in the news about is their nukes. I know you are Iranian, but Iran is otherwise an insignificant country.
 

irwincur

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I think the lefties here are blowing everything WAAAAAAAY out of proportion. A side benefit of that is that you are beginning to look like absolute fools. Go check yourself in somewhere and get some help. Paranoia is not healthy.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: irwincur
I think the lefties here are blowing everything WAAAAAAAY out of proportion. A side benefit of that is that you are beginning to look like absolute fools. Go check yourself in somewhere and get some help. Paranoia is not healthy.

It is amazing how to watch though. The more crazy they get the better the conspiracy. Eventually they make such a fool of themselves nobody bother to take them serious anymore.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: irwincur
I think the lefties here are blowing everything WAAAAAAAY out of proportion. A side benefit of that is that you are beginning to look like absolute fools. Go check yourself in somewhere and get some help. Paranoia is not healthy.

It is amazing how to watch though. The more crazy they get the better the conspiracy. Eventually they make such a fool of themselves nobody bother to take them serious anymore.

Yep, just like I said.

And in a year or two they'll tell us we were just guessing so it doesn't count. :roll:

 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Turn on the T.V and you'll see headlines like:

Iranian bus crash kills 12
?
How the hell is that news?

Iran is in the news now for any reason. I guess the bus crash was the work of the evil Iranian mullahs.

What? I have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing Iran is in the news about is their nukes. I know you are Iranian, but Iran is otherwise an insignificant country.

Iranian mosque fire kills 80
Iranian bus accident
Iranians being sentenced to death
Iranian human rights violations

All those are headlines on the bottom of CNN/Fox News.
 

jackschmittusa

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I agree that promising not to use military force would be stupid. I am suspicious of GWB's agenda though. It does seem as though he has been preparing us mentally for some time for war in Iran. Speculation, granted; and not any one big thing, but lots of little ones; his tone, choice of words, etc..
 

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IF/When you play poker, do you turn over all of your cards before betting is complete?

IF you rule out options, you strengthen the opponents hand
 

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Again, overreacting here conjur. What incentive would Iran have to comply with the soft-speakiing Europeans if the US set down its big stick?

They're playing a classic good cop/bad cop on the Iranians.

The reason it's failing is that it's so transparent that some twentysomething geek behind his computer can figure it out.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Turn on the T.V and you'll see headlines like:

Iranian bus crash kills 12
?
How the hell is that news?

Iran is in the news now for any reason. I guess the bus crash was the work of the evil Iranian mullahs.

What? I have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing Iran is in the news about is their nukes. I know you are Iranian, but Iran is otherwise an insignificant country.

Iran is not an insignificant country. Maybe somewhere like Tuluve (sp?) or Canada (just joking Candians ;) ). But Iran will play a big role in the Mideast Region in the next fifty years, although I see it on equal footing with other potential regional powers that emerge. Any country that exists in such a strategic region in the world is not "insignificant"
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Conjur, can you name ANY President who ruled out the use of force completely? No, it's NEVER happened.


Exactly.

Conjur, you are taking this announcement out of context. Seriously, this is borderline dmcowen here. I've been saying here all along Bush will not invade Iran, and he never will. The only way that he would send troops into Iran is if the idea came actually from France, Germany, and the rest of Europe along with the UN, and that sure as hell isn't going to happen.
 

Engineer

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It's good to see the Bush apologists are out in force before the action takes place.

Shock and Awe II....coming to an Arab country near you soon!
 

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Originally posted by: Engineer
It's good to see the Bush apologists are out in force before the action takes place.

Shock and Awe II....coming to an Arab country near you soon!

Oh I don't trust Bush as far as I can toss the White House, however no President can ever rule out force in advance of any situation. Bush HAS to keep that card in his hand. Will he play it? That's what I am unsure of, and wouldn't be suprised if he did.
 
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i think bush will play it.. he is stupid enough to do so.

Lets say something like 9/11 happens again, he is going to say iran is harboring terrorist..go after iran

why then we got 3 states together.. = afganistan, iraq and now in the center iran.
 

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
If Russia is not concerned about Iran nukes and they are right next to it, why should we be?

Because America is the "leader of the free world" and has a habit of sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, dummy. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
Originally posted by: SuperTool
If Russia is not concerned about Iran nukes and they are right next to it, why should we be?

Because America is the "leader of the free world" and has a habit of sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, dummy. ;)

Funny that the rest of the world, free or not, loves to suck at America's teet at the same time giving Americ the finger.

No-one wants America until they feel threatened or need assistance.

 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
Turn on the T.V and you'll see headlines like:

Iranian bus crash kills 12
?
How the hell is that news?

Iran is in the news now for any reason. I guess the bus crash was the work of the evil Iranian mullahs.

What? I have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing Iran is in the news about is their nukes. I know you are Iranian, but Iran is otherwise an insignificant country.

Despite the fact that they have the second largest oil reserves, one of the largest armies in terms of manpower, a fast growing economy, etc etc etc?