Bush to announce Missions to Moon (!) and Mars in a big speech next week

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matt426malm

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: raptor13
If you read the article, it says Bush won't call for men on mars by 2010. It says we'll prepare for that, though, in the coming decade.



Still, I'm voting for the man if he says he's funding the space program. I don't care if it's all lies, I have more than enough foolish hope that he'll lock my vote right up. :D

thats exactly what hes hoping for. hes a liar

10 years is probably the minimum develpoment time for a mars mission.
 

HappyPuppy

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Dream on. We can't even provide affordable healthcare to the citizens of the U.S. and you think we can afford to spend all this money on space exploration? Fools.

Let's not forget about the starving people in 3rd world countries, either. People with no hope will derail your visions of grandeur at the moment you least expect.

We need to clean up the mess we have here on Earth before spewing our filth into the cosmos.
 

StinkyPinky

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Doesn't the United States spend like $400 billion on blowing sh1t up? Why not cut that back by just 5%, and that's an extra $20 billion for NASA without having to dip into stuff like healthcare.

Better yet, get the entire world involved.
 

raptor13

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: raptor13 If you read the article, it says Bush won't call for men on mars by 2010. It says we'll prepare for that, though, in the coming decade. Still, I'm voting for the man if he says he's funding the space program. I don't care if it's all lies, I have more than enough foolish hope that he'll lock my vote right up. :D
thats exactly what hes hoping for. hes a liar

I never said it was the smart thing to do! In fact, I even called it "foolish"! But you gotta vote for somebody, right? ;)
 

hjo3

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
We need to clean up the mess we have here on Earth before spewing our filth into the cosmos.
You can say that about any exploration venture though... if everyone had had that attitude in the past, we'd probably never have discovered America.
 

acemcmac

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not if my taxes have to go up - not before the tecnhology is there and not before we can get the troops home
 

sillymofo

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Only that idiot would want to go back to the moon, wtf for? Didn't NASA said that we're done with the moon?
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
Only that idiot would want to go back to the moon, wtf for? Didn't NASA said that we're done with the moon?

Colonizing the moon will be simple, compared to other planets. If we can't colonize our own moon, there's no way we'll be able to colonize other planets.
 

tcsenter

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Dream on. We can't even provide affordable healthcare to the citizens of the U.S. and you think we can afford to spend all this money on space exploration? Fools.
Errmm....given that our country was intended to be the antithesis of Socialism from the get-go, its not that we cannot provide affordable healthcare to the citizens of the US, its that health care is a private service the individual citizen is supposed to provide for themselves.

Its as if some people think they were born and raised in Argentina or something. Repeat after me: "The US is not a Socialist country. The US is not a Socialist country. The US is not a Socialist country."

Repeat as often as necessary.

Health care is very affordable in the US, if one believes health care is a priority worthy of their money and adjusts their household budget accordingly.

Unfortunately, we are a society who believes $50,000 for a new automobile every five years, $7,500 for a new Flat Panel Wide Screen, $5,000 for a new home theatre system, or $3,000 for custom wheels and tires is "definitely worth the money" but go freaking ballistic when we receive a doctor's bill for $300. You don't see the masses going ga-ga goo-goo over a full color health care advertisment in their favorite magazine.
 

Zee

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Originally posted by: virtuamike
Originally posted by: matt426malm
"No firm cost estimates have been developed, but informal discussions have put the cost of a Mars expedition at nearly a trillion dollars, depending on how ambitious the project was. The cost of a moon colony would depend on what NASA wants to do on the lunar surface."

Hopefully my buddy Robert Zubrin from the Mars Society will get some input on this. If it is a trillion dollar proposal it will get shot down. Put 40 billion is a totally reasonable estimate for a 3 mission to mars program if it is NOT done with a mothership. If the fuel is taken from the martian atmosphere. If a visual array (inferometric array) on the moon I would be just as excited, something like this would mike the hubble seem like a pair of binoculars. He's got the opportunity to do great things I just hope he does.

4 words to sum up the Bush presidency.

"Meanwhile, back on Earth . . ."

Don't hold me wrong, I would've never voted for Gore either. But I'd take Clinton over those 2 any day. Stupid term limit.

true that. was a sad day when clinton stepped down.
 

Chaotic42

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NASA Guy: Mr President, we'd like to send a manned mission to Mars.
Bush: Candy?
NG: No, the planet. The fourth planet.
Bush: Ah, yes, sorry my blood sugar is low. That's the red planet, correct?
NG: Yes, it's a desert-like planet...
Bush: Desert? Sandy Desert?
NG: Well, yeah, um, there's sand and rocks and
Bush: Like the Middle East?
NG: Uh, well, ye... no, uh, sort of.
Bush: Like the Middle East where there are...

<cue bright lights, sweeping camera change>

TERRORISTS?

NG: There's nothing like that on Mars, there are only...
Bush: We'll go.
NG: Terrorists. Lost of Terrorists. The planet is theoretically running red with our blood.

Alas the manned mission never happened as the astronaut bound for Mars wasn't allowed on the ship after he refused to take off his suit and the screeners found his astronaut ice cream which they thought was C4.


Sorry. :)
 

TekDemon

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Health care is very affordable in the US, if one believes health care is a priority worthy of their money and adjusts their household budget accordingly.
Compared to what? We have the world's most expensive health insurance...I don't really know what country you're comparing this to.
 

TekDemon

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but at any rate...a mission to mars is not going to happen within 10 years...we just don't have the tech for it. It might seem simple now, but there's lots of reasons why Mars is NOT even vaguely as easy to go to as the Moon...well without killing anybody that is. There's faaar more issues. If you've read "A Short History of Nearly Everything" you'll know why =p
 

dighn

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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Interesting, but somehow I think it's all hot air. I doubt he'll follow through on this. But I hope we do go back to space in a big way, we need to..

While space exploration is definitely needed in the future, IMO we need to focus on issues that need to be addressed here on Earth 1st Astaroth33 :)

doesn't mean we can't spend some effort for other things. heck there are always gonna be issues that need to be addressed here on earth.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
While space exploration is definitely needed in the future, IMO we need to focus on issues that need to be addressed here on Earth 1st Astaroth33 :)
We *need* an insurance policy.

Earth could be annihilated on Monday. Humanity would cease to exist.

It is our right, our destiny to spread out. There is money to be made. The New World awaits us, it's time to unfurl the sails and head to the stars. We must cross the ocean and see what's on the other side.

We haven't even left our beds to go outside to start working on how we might start to understand how to build a boat to cross the ocean.

It's time to get up. The Earth is the cradle of life, and one doesn't stay in the cradle forever.

 

flexy

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Earth could be annihilated on Monday. Humanity would cease to exist.

It is our right, our destiny to spread out. There is money to be made. The New World awaits us, it's time to unfurl the sails and head to the stars. We must cross the ocean and see what's on the other side.

We haven't even left our beds to go outside to start working on how we might start to understand how to build a boat to cross the ocean.

It's time to get up. The Earth is the cradle of life, and one doesn't stay in the cradle forever.

i think john williams should write a soundtrack to this :)



 

JBT

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Originally posted by: Yzzim
Engineers would have to build new spacecraft for the trips to and from the moon and Mars. If the Apollo-style mission design was adopted, there would also be the need for landing craft that would undock from the mother ship and touch down to the moon or Mars.

Haven't thought this for about 10 years now....but, I want to be an astronaut!!!!!

w00t!!
 

ThaGrandCow

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Bush will lay out his "vision for expanding the space program," which is expected to include long-term moves for manned missions to the moon and an eventual manned mission to Mars, an official said. NASA's target for a moon mission is 2018.
Notice this move puts him into space for the coming election... yet gives enough time for something unexpected to come up and to scrap the entire thing. This is political maneuvering, nothing more. The only reason Bush would have to go to the moon would be if we're putting defense weapons against WMD's there. He could give a fvck about the entire space program.
 

tcsenter

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Compared to what? We have the world's most expensive health insurance...I don't really know what country you're comparing this to.
Compared with the non-necessity luxury expenditures Americans make vs. what portion of their disposable and discretionary incomes they spend on health care. The average American household has $8,000 in credit card debt. Do you think they're charging rent, gas, electricity, and groceries to incur that $8,000? Nope: TVs, computers, stereos, auto accessories, fashion clothing, sporting goods, down payments on cars they can't afford, vacations, toys, PlayStations, <insert 1000 other non-necessity luxury items here>.

I'm not comparing the US with any other country, since the US doesn't use massive public subsidies to provide basic health insurance for all citizens, we don't levy 50% tax rates to pay for it, and we have by far the most technology-intensive and technology-driven health care system among any sizable country.

Imagine if, instead of the typical American reaching down a little deeper into his pocket to come-up with an extra $200~$300 per month over five years for a new car that far exceeds his basic transportation needs, or shelling out thousands for a new plasma TV, or new stereo system, or <insert 1000 other non-necessity luxury items here>, he put that money into a tax-sheltered flexible saving accounts so he can afford to pay for doctors, dentists, and hospitals should the need arise.

Then, a lot more people would be able to actually PAY for their medical care, reducing the cost-shifting burden to those who do pay, and reducing the costs of medical services. In addition, a lot more people would have the extra cash to have more frequent medical examinations and screening for early detection of illness, catching more illnesses far sooner, and reducing the final costs of treatment (further making health care more affordable and reduce cost-shifting).

Among the long list of things Americans believe are worthy of their world-leading disposable and discretionary incomes, health care ranks pretty damned low. That isn't because health care is expensive, but because people choose not to value it over TVs, computers, stereos, auto accessories, fashion clothing, sporting goods, down payments on cars they can't afford, vacations, toys, PlayStations, <insert 1000 other non-necessity luxury items here>.

Premium Cable Television Service alone over 15 years @ $60 per month will cost a total of $10,800 (assuming no rate increases, late fees, or interest).

For the same $10,800, you can buy 60 health examinations at your family internist costing $180 each. Most Americans wouldn't accumulate 60 health exams if they lived 90 years. But I dare you suggest to the average American they should forego premium cable TV so they can afford to visit their family physician more often for a health examination. Blank stare.
 

TheAudit

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Going to Mars isn't doable now. Heck, even building anything on the Moon can't be done today. How long have we been building the International Space Station? Years now and we've only been bringing up small pieces at a time to be assembled. We don't have the means to transport heavy materials to the Moon. And then you would have to figure out how to supply the Moon Base with oxygen and water and how to heat and cool it.

I think it's a worthwhile endeavor and it's great to be talking about it but Congress would have to approve the money to do the research and development to make it all possible. A lunar base as a steppingstone to Mars would be a great thing.