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Bush plans major Budget Cuts

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: silverpig
reinvented third reich = USA becoming uber right wing
The Third Reich was a decidedly leftist/facist entity. NAZI stood for Nationalist Socialist Party so I'm not sure how this equates to anything on the right.

There was nothing socialist about them. Hitler made sure any socailists were history before the beer hall putsch in the 20's. Read history before you spout nonsense.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: silverpig
reinvented third reich = USA becoming uber right wing
The Third Reich was a decidedly leftist/facist entity. NAZI stood for Nationalist Socialist Party so I'm not sure how this equates to anything on the right.

There was nothing socialist about them. Hitler made sure any socailists were history before the beer hall putsch in the 20's. Read history before you spout nonsense.

socialist were the first ones to die.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: silverpig
reinvented third reich = USA becoming uber right wing
The Third Reich was a decidedly leftist/facist entity. NAZI stood for Nationalist Socialist Party so I'm not sure how this equates to anything on the right.

There was nothing socialist about them. Hitler made sure any socailists were history before the beer hall putsch in the 20's. Read history before you spout nonsense.

Yes, Hitler despised traditional socialism. However, the Nazi party did take some socialist traits in terms of economics (centralized and government controlled) and splintered off in every other facet. Hence, National Socialism. I know my history, thank you.
 
Originally posted by: polm
sweet...thank goodness I'm not a Veteran, or this would suck 😉

There are no health care cuts for veterans. Bush's proposal is to increase the co-payment cost from $7 to $15 with a $250 annual buy-in program ONLY for veterans who are in the upper and middle classes whose disabilities are not service related. Bush is asking for $71 billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs in the next fiscal year, up nearly 50 percent (from $48 billion) when he took office.
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: Crimson
Lets see all the democrats who have been preaching balancing the budget for the past 4 years now backtrack on everything they said. Of course the excuses will be 'It will hurt children, old people, etc".. We'll get all the lip service on why they can't cut the budget, then in 4 years they will be saying the Republicans didnt cut the budget enough.

Maybe we could take the hundreds of billions wasted on attacking a sovereign nation for no reason and use that to balance the budget rather than slashing programs for the needy.
or maybe we could realize that spending govt money to "help the needy" has never priduced any positive results, and has only created a deeper problem.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: silverpig
reinvented third reich = USA becoming uber right wing
The Third Reich was a decidedly leftist/facist entity. NAZI stood for Nationalist Socialist Party so I'm not sure how this equates to anything on the right.

There was nothing socialist about them. Hitler made sure any socailists were history before the beer hall putsch in the 20's. Read history before you spout nonsense.

Yes, Hitler despised traditional socialism. However, the Nazi party did take some socialist traits in terms of economics (centralized and government controlled) and splintered off in every other facet. Hence, National Socialism. I know my history, thank you.

That is called corprate fascism not socialism. Nothing was owned by the people, so how could it be socialism?
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
That is called corprate fascism not socialism. Nothing was owned by the people, so how could it be socialism?
I guess it depends. State (ie the people) controlled economic initiative. Plus, part of the Nazi party's programs during the 20's included redistribution of income, profit sharing, pension increases, and free education. That may have been done to appease the people but those all are socialist initiatives.

 
What the nazi party represesented before AH took it over is apples to oranges to what it grew to be. It was like 20 guys gettign drunk an talking about stuff before it became what is now known as national socialism when hitler came into the picture.
Hitler HATED commies even more then jews from his speeches until he really got power.... This is why so many flipped out when he allied with stalin there. He rose to power off of thuggery and wooing of corprate intrests lying to them until he started nationlizing them right under their nose.
his loyal thugs (brownshirts) that got him into power got the ax and he created the SS.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
What the nazi party represesented before AH took it over is apples to oranges to what it grew to be. It was like 20 guys gettign drunk an talking about stuff before it became what is now known as national socialism when hitler came into the picture.
Hitler HATED commies even more then jews from his speeches until he really got power.... This is why so many flipped out when he allied with stalin there. He rose to power off of thuggery and wooing of corprate intrests lying to them until he started nationlizing them right under their nose.
Hitler challenged and beat then Nazi Party leader Anton Drexler in 1921.
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Just get the fsck out of Iraq and we can fund projects AND spend less.

Yeah because ignoring threats in the world cost us nothing.. oh wait.. maybe just a couple buildings in New York.. and a few lives.. no big deal.
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Just get the fsck out of Iraq and we can fund projects AND spend less.

Yeah because ignoring threats in the world cost us nothing.. oh wait.. maybe just a couple buildings in New York.. and a few lives.. no big deal.

You mean now you can show that Iraq did that?

You're a genius - don't hold out on us here!
 
What is proposed is usually a red herring or intended misdirection

The WH wants to see is what items will outrage Congress.

Remember, that Bush does not have to answer to the general population in 2 years.
Congress does.
 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Just get the fsck out of Iraq and we can fund projects AND spend less.

Yeah because ignoring threats in the world cost us nothing.. oh wait.. maybe just a couple buildings in New York.. and a few lives.. no big deal.

You mean now you can show that Iraq did that?

You're a genius - don't hold out on us here!

He is a genius! Since we all know the only thing keeping our borders safe is our romp in Iraq. I bet those Iraqis never fly planes into our buildings again! Oh wait....
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Just get the fsck out of Iraq and we can fund projects AND spend less.

Yeah because ignoring threats in the world cost us nothing.. oh wait.. maybe just a couple buildings in New York.. and a few lives.. no big deal.
Iran . . . hmmm. North Korea . . . hmm. HIV/AIDS and procreative rights . . . hmmm. Medicare . . . hmm.

If you look at the Bush record he's largely given lip service to the major problems (Iran, Korea) . . . pushed an idiotic political agenda with another (HIV/AIDS) . . . and made one terrible problem horribly worse (Medicare).

It's pretty plain that Bush is the threat. Essentially the whole world has realized it except for a few token leaders of democracies (Blair, Aznar (oops), don't forget Poland, Koizumi), Israel, and fascist/totalitarian regimes the world over that are following in Bush's foot steps. Talk about a legacy . . .

 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: Crimson
Lets see all the democrats who have been preaching balancing the budget for the past 4 years now backtrack on everything they said. Of course the excuses will be 'It will hurt children, old people, etc".. We'll get all the lip service on why they can't cut the budget, then in 4 years they will be saying the Republicans didnt cut the budget enough.

Maybe we could take the hundreds of billions wasted on attacking a sovereign nation for no reason and use that to balance the budget rather than slashing programs for the needy.
or maybe we could realize that spending govt money to "help the needy" has never priduced any positive results, and has only created a deeper problem.

Or maybe we should just get the inevitable over with and just gas the poor and the elderly since they're just a drain on society and a huge thorn in you righties asses. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: silverpig
reinvented third reich = USA becoming uber right wing
The Third Reich was a decidedly leftist/facist entity. NAZI stood for Nationalist Socialist Party so I'm not sure how this equates to anything on the right.

Uh...just because they call it the DPRK doesn't mean it's democratic. In case you were unaware, fascism isn't by any means on the same political spectrum as socialism.

On the contrary, my dear ignorant friend, Fascism and Socialism are but two sides of the SAME philosophical coin. One declares man to be the property of the State (Fascism) whereas the other declares him to be property of Society (Socialism). BOTH ideas disregard all notions that an INDIVIDUAL has rights by virtue of nature. BOTH are more than willing to snuff out anyone who dares to stand in the way of their "ideals".

Jason
 
Originally posted by: Ferocious

Nazi Germany had nothing to do with socialism. It was an authoritarian regime in the extreme.

Many European countries and even the USA are much closer to socialism than Nazi Germany ever was.

ummm the Nazi's used the word socialist to gain support in their rise to power. Worker's party was another one that was used back then during their quest for power.

You're full of crap, buddy. Fascism and Socialism are brothers of the same school of thought. Both entail the individual as "owned" by an external entity, BOTH reject the rights of the Individual, BOTH reject private property, BOTH have laid waste to entire civilizations.

Don't try to idealize Socialism, not even in the face of Fascism. Both are intruments of great evil.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Just get the fsck out of Iraq and we can fund projects AND spend less.

Yeah because ignoring threats in the world cost us nothing.. oh wait.. maybe just a couple buildings in New York.. and a few lives.. no big deal.

When you can demonstrate that Iraq was IN FACT a threat the the US, come back but in the meantime, thanks for playing!

If Bush had actually wanted to cooperate, we very well might have a much more effective network looking for the likes of Bin Laden and such. Remember him? No? Well neither does Bush to listen to his SoTU speech. I am all for going after terrorists. We decided to have a war instead.

Your problem is that you can't keep your bad guys straight and remember what they are actually guilty of.

Better to have a war and a pissing match with Europe than a rational, coherent and cohesive effort against terrorists. It makes your international penis seem so big.
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Well that sounds all nice and all.. we attacked a sovereign nation in Germany and Japan too..and Germany never attacked us.. so, your simple trite little statement of 'we invaded a sovereign nation' is simply silly. Please try another attempt at a poor argument.
Germany and Italy declared war on the U.S. after Pearl Harbor.
 
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