Bush plans major Budget Cuts

[Engineer]

While I applaud any type of lessening of the "yearly" deficit, I doubt that the above cuts do much. While I also agree that they are a start, 27 Billion (as reported by NBC News tonight) is about 1% of the overall budget. Considering that the deficit is projected to be higher than last year (projection of 2005 is higher than real deficit of 2004), I'm not sure that we have cut anything.

At least try to get it back under the GDP curve.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Just get the fsck out of Iraq and we can fund projects AND spend less.

Yeah because ignoring threats in the world cost us nothing.. oh wait.. maybe just a couple buildings in New York.. and a few lives.. no big deal.

You mean now you can show that Iraq did that?

You're a genius - don't hold out on us here!

He is a genius! Since we all know the only thing keeping our borders safe is our romp in Iraq. I bet those Iraqis never fly planes into our buildings again! Oh wait....

Where exactly did I say Iraqi's flew planes into our buildings? Oh wait, I didn't... I said ignoring threats in the world is not the way to deal with them. I said nothing about Iraq or the war there..

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer
While I applaud any type of lessening of the "yearly" deficit, I doubt that the above cuts do much. While I also agree that they are a start, 27 Billion (as reported by NBC News tonight) is about 1% of the overall budget. Considering that the deficit is projected to be higher than last year (projection of 2005 is higher than real deficit of 2004), I'm not sure that we have cut anything.

At least try to get it back under the GDP curve.

But look at all the howling that cutting a puny $27B has caused. Everyone always wants someone elses pork to be cut and not their own.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Just get the fsck out of Iraq and we can fund projects AND spend less.

Yeah because ignoring threats in the world cost us nothing.. oh wait.. maybe just a couple buildings in New York.. and a few lives.. no big deal.

Iran . . . hmmm. North Korea . . . hmm. HIV/AIDS and procreative rights . . . hmmm. Medicare . . . hmm.

If you look at the Bush record he's largely given lip service to the major problems (Iran, Korea) . . . pushed an idiotic political agenda with another (HIV/AIDS) . . . and made one terrible problem horribly worse (Medicare).

It's pretty plain that Bush is the threat. Essentially the whole world has realized it except for a few token leaders of democracies (Blair, Aznar (oops), don't forget Poland, Koizumi), Israel, and fascist/totalitarian regimes the world over that are following in Bush's foot steps. Talk about a legacy . . .

I keep asking the question of you lefties who make the claim Bush is ignoring North Korea.. but never get an answer... Should Bush invade/have invaded North Korea?

I think the beauty of Bush's strategy is that his willingness to use force against Iraq will probably be enough to make countries like Iran and North Korea think twice about pushing us around.. and will probably directly result in us not NEEDING military action in those two countries.

But, yes.. Bush is the threat.. :roll:

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer
While I applaud any type of lessening of the "yearly" deficit, I doubt that the above cuts do much. While I also agree that they are a start, 27 Billion (as reported by NBC News tonight) is about 1% of the overall budget. Considering that the deficit is projected to be higher than last year (projection of 2005 is higher than real deficit of 2004), I'm not sure that we have cut anything.

At least try to get it back under the GDP curve.

But look at all the howling that cutting a puny $27B has caused. Everyone always wants someone elses pork to be cut and not their own.

Exactly.. the left CLAIMS they want a balanced budget, but don't want anything actually CUT.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer
While I applaud any type of lessening of the "yearly" deficit, I doubt that the above cuts do much. While I also agree that they are a start, 27 Billion (as reported by NBC News tonight) is about 1% of the overall budget. Considering that the deficit is projected to be higher than last year (projection of 2005 is higher than real deficit of 2004), I'm not sure that we have cut anything.

At least try to get it back under the GDP curve.

But look at all the howling that cutting a puny $27B has caused. Everyone always wants someone elses pork to be cut and not their own.

Exactly.. the left CLAIMS they want a balanced budget, but don't want anything actually CUT.

They do. Defense spending.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: Crimson
Lets see all the democrats who have been preaching balancing the budget for the past 4 years now backtrack on everything they said. Of course the excuses will be 'It will hurt children, old people, etc".. We'll get all the lip service on why they can't cut the budget, then in 4 years they will be saying the Republicans didnt cut the budget enough.

Maybe we could take the hundreds of billions wasted on attacking a sovereign nation for no reason and use that to balance the budget rather than slashing programs for the needy.

or maybe we could realize that spending govt money to "help the needy" has never priduced any positive results, and has only created a deeper problem.

Or maybe we should just get the inevitable over with and just gas the poor and the elderly since they're just a drain on society and a huge thorn in you righties asses. :roll:

Reading, its good for you.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: ntdz
$2.5 Trillion Budget Plan Cuts Many Programs

I've been watching to see cuts like these for a long time now. Glad it's finally happening.

No surprise here.

The interesting question is: how much of this budget the Congressional Republicans will pass?

Will they fall on their swords for GWB?

I noticed that people are for small government as long as cuts, or "growth restrictions" effect other people.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: ntdz
$2.5 Trillion Budget Plan Cuts Many Programs

I've been watching to see cuts like these for a long time now. Glad it's finally happening.

No surprise here.

The interesting question is: how much of this budget the Congressional Republicans will pass?

Will they fall on their swords for GWB?

I noticed that people are for small government as long as cuts, or "growth restrictions" effect other people.

last year the president suggests about 60 such cuts, I believe only 1 made it. I am not optimistic about the 160 proposed for this year.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just more of the same doublespeak.

Smaller govt and bigger military.

Lower taxes and more corporate subsidies.

Freedom and opportunity, only for good christians with money to invest.

Start from a near balanced budget scenario, add nearly $2T to the debt, propose diddly cuts you won't get, blame it all on the democrats...

Must be time to drag out the 9/11, Terrar! Axis of Evil, welfare queens, gay marriage, nuclear threat, and all of the other distractions while the looting continues...

 

[Jhhnn]

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: Crimson
Lets see all the democrats who have been preaching balancing the budget for the past 4 years now backtrack on everything they said. Of course the excuses will be 'It will hurt children, old people, etc".. We'll get all the lip service on why they can't cut the budget, then in 4 years they will be saying the Republicans didnt cut the budget enough.

Maybe we could take the hundreds of billions wasted on attacking a sovereign nation for no reason and use that to balance the budget rather than slashing programs for the needy.

Well that sounds all nice and all.. we attacked a sovereign nation in Germany and Japan too..and Germany never attacked us.. so, your simple trite little statement of 'we invaded a sovereign nation' is simply silly. Please try another attempt at a poor argument.

Iraq wasn't a valid Sovereignty, for one thing. The one and only person who has the authority to recognize or not recognize the Sovereignty of another nation is the President of the United States, period. That's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of LAW.

More than just the president's authority, though, a dictatorship is never EVER a valid sovereignty. Only FREE governments designed to protect the RIGHTS of their people can be considered to be sovereign.

Jason

 

[conjur]

List of programs to be cut:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...ive/2005/02/11/national/w163008S18.DTL

Here are the 154 programs that President Bush wants to eliminate or cut in his 2006 budget proposal. Bush would terminate 99 programs and make major spending reductions in 55. Separately, the administration listed eight major reforms Bush proposed that also would produce spending cuts.


Of the terminations, Bush has recommended 59 of them before. Twenty-seven of the 55 programs targeted for spending reductions have been previously submitted to Congress.


TERMINATED:


_Agriculture Department


AMS Biotechnology Program


Forest Service Economic Action Program


High Cost Energy Grants


NRCS Watershed and Flood Prevention Operations


Research and Extension Grant Earmarks and Low Priority Programs


_Commerce Department


Advanced Technology Program


Emergency Steel Guarantee Loan Program


Public Telecommunications Facilities, Planning and Construction Program


_Education Department


Comprehensive School Reform


Educational Technology State Grants


Even Start


(High School Program Terminations🙂


Vocational Education State Grants


Vocational Education National Activities


Tech Prep State Grants


Upward Bound


Talent Search


GEAR UP


Smaller Learning Communities


Perkins Loans: Capital Contributions and Loan Cancellations


Regional Education Laboratories


Safe and Drug Free Schools State Grants


(Small Elementary and Secondary Education Programs🙂


Javits Gifted and Talented Education


National Writing Project


School Leadership


Dropout Prevention Program


Close Up Fellowships


Ready to Teach


Parental Information and Resource Centers


Alcohol Abuse Reduction


Foundations for Learning


Mental Health Integration in Schools


Community Technology Centers


Exchanges with Historic Whaling and Trading Partners


Foreign Language Assistance


Excellence in Economic Education


Arts in Education


Women's Educational Equity


Elementary and Secondary School Counseling


Civic Education


Star Schools


(Smaller Higher Education Programs🙂


Higher Education Demos for Students w/Disabilities


Underground Railroad Program


Interest Subsidy Grants


(Small Job Training and Adult Education Programs🙂


Occupational and Employment Information


Tech-prep Demonstration


Literacy Programs for Prisoners


State Grants for Incarcerated Youth


(Small Postsecondary Student Financial Assistance Programs🙂


LEAP


Byrd Scholarships


B.J. Stupak Olympic Scholarships


Thurgood Marshall Legal Opportunity


(Small Vocational Rehabilitation Programs🙂


Vocational Rehabilitation Recreational Programs


Vocational Rehab (VR) Migrant and Seasonal Workers


Projects with Industry


Supported Employment


Teacher Quality Enhancement Program


_Energy Department


Hydropower Program


Nuclear Energy Plant Optimization


Nuclear Energy Research Initiative


Oil and Gas Programs


_Health and Human Services Department


ACF Community Service Programs


ACF Early Learning Opportunities Fund


CDC Congressional Earmarks


CDC Preventive Health and Health Services Block Grant


CDC Youth Media Campaign


Direct Service Worker Delivery Grants


HRSA Emergency Medical Services for Children


HRSA Health Facilities Construction Congressional Earmarks


HRSA Healthy Community Access Program


HRSA State Planning Grant Program


HRSA Trauma Care


HRSA Traumatic Brain Injury


HRSA Universal Newborn Hearing Screening


Real Choice Systems Change Grants


_Housing and Urban Development Department


HOPE VI


_Interior Department


BLM Jobs-in-the-Woods Program


LWCF State Recreation Grants (NPS)


National Park Service Statutory Aid


Rural Fire Assistance (BLM, NPS, FWS, BIA)


_Justice Department


Byrne Discretionary Grants


Byrne Justice Assistance Grants


COPS Hiring Grants


COPS Interoperable Communications Technology Grants


COPS Law Enforcement Technology Grants


Juvenile Accountability Block Grants


National Drug Intelligence Center


Other State/Local Law Enforcement Assistance Program Terminations


State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP)


_Labor Department


Migrant and Seasonal Farm Worker Training Program


Reintegration of Youthful Offenders


_Transportation Department


National Defense Tank Vessel Construction Program


Railroad Rehabilitation Infrastructure Financing Loan Program


_Enviromental Protection Agency


Unrequested Projects


Water Quality Cooperative Agreements


_National Aeronautics and Space Administration


Hubble Space Telescope Robotic Servicing Mission


_Other Agencies


National Veterans Business Development Corporation


Postal Service: Revenue Forgone Appropriation


SBA: Microloan Program


SBA: Small Business Investment Company (SBIC) Participating Securities Program


MAJOR REDUCTIONS:


_Agriculture Department


Federal (In-House) Research


Forest Service Capital Improve and Maintenance


Forest Service Wildland Fire Management (incl. supp. and emergency funding)


Biomass Research and Development


Broadband


CCC - Bioenergy


CCC - Market Access Program


Farm Bill Programs (EQIP


Farm Bill Programs (CSP)


Farm Bill Programs (WHIP)


Farm Bill Program (Farm and Ranchland Protection)


Farm Bill Programs (Ag. Management Assistance)


IFAS


Renewable Energy


Rural Firefighter Grants


Rural Strategic Investment Program


Rural Business Investment Program


Value-added Grants


Watershed Rehabilitation


NRCS Conservation Operations


NRCS Resource Conservation and Development Program


Water and Wastewater Grants and Loans


_Commerce Department


Manufacturing Extension Partnership


_Education Department


Adult Education State Grants


State Grants for Innovation


_Energy Department


Environmental Management


_Health and Human Services Department


HRSA Children's Hospitals GME Payment Program


HRSA Health Professions


HRSA Rural Health


SAMHSA Programs of Regional and National Significance


State, Local & Hospital Bioterrorism Preparedness Grants


_Housing and Urban Development Department


Housing for Persons with Disabilities


Native American Housing Block Grant


Public Housing Capital Fund


-Interior Department


Bureau of Indian Affairs School Construction


National Heritage Area Grants


Payments in Lieu of Taxes


USGS, Mineral Resources Program


_Justice Department


Federal Bureau of Prisons Construction Program


High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas Program


Juvenile Justice Law Enforcement Assistance Programs


_Labor Department


International Labor Affairs Bureau


Office of Disability Employment Policy


Workforce Investment Act Pilots and Demonstrations


_State Department


Assistance for the Independent States of the Former Soviet Union


_Transportation Department


FAA - Facilities and Equipment


FAA - Airport Improvement Program (Oblim)


FRA - Next Generation High Speed Rail


_Treasury Department


Internal Revenue Service - Taxpayer Service


_Environmental Protection Agency


Alaska Native Villages


Clean Water State Revolving Fund


-National Aeronautics and Space Administration


Aeronautics: Vehicle Systems Program


Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter


_Other Agencies


Archives: National Historical Publications & Records Commission


U.S. Institute of Peace, Construction of New Building


MAJOR REFORMS


Agriculture: Rural Telephone Bank


Commerce: Economic and Community Development Programs


Homeland Security: State and Local Homeland Security Grants


Homeland Security: Transportation Security Administration, Recover Aviation Security Screening Costs Through Fees


Labor: Job Training Reform, Consolidate Grants Program


Transportation: Amtrak


Army Corps of Engineers (Civil Works): Performance Guidelines for Funding Construction Projects


U.S. Agency for International Development and Department of Agriculture: International Food Aid

The article doesn't state how much this would save in terms of spending and I don't know the full impact involved with the termination of these programs but there will likely be shouts of condemnation along with shouts of praise.