Bush: I screwed you all. But thanks for blaming it on the black guy

[JEDI]

Worst president since WWII:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marco-caceres/the-worst-president-since_b_5564809.html

Bill Clinton perhaps put it best when he described the Republican Party's position toward Obama: "We left him a total mess. He hasn't cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in."

 

[Jaskalas]

Worst president since WWII:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marco-caceres/the-worst-president-since_b_5564809.html

Bill Clinton perhaps put it best when he described the Republican Party's position toward Obama: "We left him a total mess. He hasn't cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in."

Now there is a man who can speak. Clinton draws impact with his words.

 

[pauldun170]

The US was at peace on January 20, 2001.

Aside from all the "pew pew pew" stuff that occured during the 90's, we were kind of "not at peace" with Iraq.
Sanctions and combat operations are usually considered "War stuff"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#2000.E2.80.932009

 

[theeedude]

Aside from all the "pew pew pew" stuff that occured during the 90's, we were kind of "not at peace" with Iraq.
Sanctions and combat operations are usually considered "War stuff"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#2000.E2.80.932009

We were getting the milk for free from Iraq in the 90s. Under Bush, we bought the cow.

 

[schmuckley]

Like Bush and Obama aren't members of the same club?

http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/0...er-the-worlds-most-exclusive-club-to-reunite/

5 of the worst presidents ever in US history.

Rate them in order.
They all have had the same agenda.

 

[Newell Steamer]

07/07/2014

So, what did you BBQ on the 4th, OP? And, did you watch any firework shows?? I like fireworks, they're pretty.

 

[KK]

The growth that was accounted for before bush took office was based on lies and could not be possibly sustained. there's only one way to go, and that is what bush had to deal with in addition to foreign issues. Did he do things right, hell no, would it have been different had Kerry or Gore been in office, most likely not. They are all crooks.

 

[kage69]

That's not news. That's been obvious for a number of years.

 

[Jhhnn]

The growth that was accounted for before bush took office was based on lies and could not be possibly sustained. there's only one way to go, and that is what bush had to deal with in addition to foreign issues. Did he do things right, hell no, would it have been different had Kerry or Gore been in office, most likely not. They are all crooks.

Let's see... that was a naked assertion of faith as fact with a segue into apologism & false equivalency, right?

It's a brilliant example of what passes for rational thought among way too many Americans, a tribute to the skills applied in 35 years of relentless right wing propaganda.

 

[zanejohnson]

we gotta get the money out of politics, this is definitely a direct result.


the same players fund both sides of the aisle, and effectively rule the nation and craft legislature to their liking.

we basically, get a "topic" to debate, and both results while looking like start contrast on the surface, at the end of the day, are the same. because they are "creating the playing field."

abortion
gay rights
theater of war abroad

this is what we'll do, doesn't matter which side actually "wins," legislation happened regardless.

the media+legislative branch is just the means to and end. the vehicle used to create legislation and broker government "regulation."

 

[Blanky]

People who still don't realize how bad bush was please never vote again. He was one of the country's worst presidents ever. It is the height of idiocy to say Obama is worse. He is not great, he isnT great at all, but he is no Bush.

 

[Blanky]

we gotta get the money out of politics, this is definitely a direct result.


the same players fund both sides of the aisle, and effectively rule the nation and craft legislature to their liking.

we basically, get a "topic" to debate, and both results while looking like start contrast on the surface, at the end of the day, are the same. because they are "creating the playing field."

Agree completely.

 

[Bitek]

The growth that was accounted for before bush took office was based on lies and could not be possibly sustained. there's only one way to go, and that is what bush had to deal with in addition to foreign issues. Did he do things right, hell no, would it have been different had Kerry or Gore been in office, most likely not. They are all crooks.

Pretty sure Gore would not have invaded Iraq..

 

[Matt1970]

People who still don't realize how bad bush was please never vote again. He was one of the country's worst presidents ever. It is the height of idiocy to say Obama is worse. He is not great, he isnT great at all, but he is no Bush.

We didn't exactly raise the bar much going from Bush to Obama.

 

[trenchfoot]

I can't wait for the next time a Repub President oversees an economic crash at the tail end of his/her term in office and ANOTHER Repub gets voted in to take his/her place to "fix it" with the same ideology and economic policies that led up to the crash.

But then again, considering the skills the Repubs have developed in the way of appearing to make pigs fly and then convincingly blaming the Dems for creating those freaks of nature, anything's possible.

 

[doubledeluxe]

We didn't exactly raise the bar much going from Bush to Obama.

Yes we did. It's just that we were so low we haven't even gotten waist high yet. Its one thing to disagree with a political position or two of an opposing candidate. We all do that. Bush on the other hand was just destructive in everything he did. Morally, economically, and militarily he was a disaster for the USA.

 

[Matt1970]

Yes we did. It's just that we were so low we haven't even gotten waist high yet. Its one thing to disagree with a political position or two of an opposing candidate. We all do that. Bush on the other hand was just destructive in everything he did. Morally, economically, and militarily he was a disaster for the USA.

No, we really didn't, but I don't expect you to see it any other way. Trying to say Obama was better than Bush is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.

 

[Smoblikat]

Worst president since WWII:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marco-caceres/the-worst-president-since_b_5564809.html

Bill Clinton perhaps put it best when he described the Republican Party's position toward Obama: "We left him a total mess. He hasn't cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in."

What made Bush so bad?

What exactly did he do wrong?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes we did. It's just that we were so low we haven't even gotten waist high yet. Its one thing to disagree with a political position or two of an opposing candidate. We all do that. Bush on the other hand was just destructive in everything he did. Morally, economically, and militarily he was a disaster for the USA.

Bush was very bad but he keeps getting tagged unfairly for the economy, at least the jobs aspect and growth. The tech bubble already burst and that's what turned things downward. NAFTA kicked in. There's things which should have been done, but the house of cards economy was already collapsing.

 

[fskimospy]

What made Bush so bad?

What exactly did he do wrong?

Started a ruinous war of choice based on (at best) misleading information.

Ran up large debts in a growing economy with low unemployment.

Didn't rein in an enormous financial bubble.

Exacerbated income inequality with huge tax cuts for the rich.

Those are starters.

 

[Smoblikat]

Started a ruinous war of choice based on (at best) misleading information.

Ran up large debts in a growing economy with low unemployment.

Didn't rein in an enormous financial bubble.

Exacerbated income inequality with huge tax cuts for the rich.

Those are starters.

The war
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/11/24/after_vowing_to_end_combat_mission

The debt
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/106-obama-has-more-doubled-marketable-us-debt

The bubble
As far as financial bubble goes, how can you blame bush for the actions of others? If anything you should be pointing the finger at people like Barney Frank. I dont think Bush was innocent, but his impact was not as large as most of the other parties involved.

Income inequality
I dont even need to counter this one, both Bush and Obama have done everything in their power to erode the middle class, and help out big business.

Those are counters.

I dont want to give the wrong impression, I do not like bush either. But pretending all of our problems come exclusively from him is foolish. Obama is horrible, in every way, and it does nothing to keep pointing the finger at the guy no longer able to fix whatever problems we currently face.

 

[soulcougher73]

The war
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/11/24/after_vowing_to_end_combat_mission

The debt
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/106-obama-has-more-doubled-marketable-us-debt

The bubble
As far as financial bubble goes, how can you blame bush for the actions of others? If anything you should be pointing the finger at people like Barney Frank. I dont think Bush was innocent, but his impact was not as large as most of the other parties involved.

Income inequality
I dont even need to counter this one, both Bush and Obama have done everything in their power to erode the middle class, and help out big business.

Those are counters.

I dont want to give the wrong impression, I do not like bush either. But pretending all of our problems come exclusively from him is foolish. Obama is horrible, in every way, and it does nothing to keep pointing the finger at the guy no longer able to fix whatever problems we currently face.

So with Bush we should point fingers at the actions of others, but with Obama we should point the finger right at him and not the action of others? I smell bias and it doesnt smell like bacon..so i is sad now.

 

[Smoblikat]

So with Bush we should point fingers at the actions of others, but with Obama we should point the finger right at him and not the action of others? I smell bias and it doesnt smell like bacon..so i is sad now.

None of what you said matches what I said, but I understand it isnt easy competing with facts.

Let me spell it out for you, THEY BOTH SUCK IN EVERY WAY. The difference is, Bush used to be president and no longer is, thus making him irrelevant at this point in time. Sure we could spend all day talking about all the bad stuff hes done, but where would that get us? Obama is currently in office, and like it or not is now responsible for whatever this country is going through. So I place the burden of responsibility on him to resolve our issues, not Bush.

 

[Bitek]

The war
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/11/24/after_vowing_to_end_combat_mission

The debt
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/106-obama-has-more-doubled-marketable-us-debt

The bubble
As far as financial bubble goes, how can you blame bush for the actions of others? If anything you should be pointing the finger at people like Barney Frank. I dont think Bush was innocent, but his impact was not as large as most of the other parties involved.

Income inequality
I dont even need to counter this one, both Bush and Obama have done everything in their power to erode the middle class, and help out big business.

Those are counters.

I dont want to give the wrong impression, I do not like bush either. But pretending all of our problems come exclusively from him is foolish. Obama is horrible, in every way, and it does nothing to keep pointing the finger at the guy no longer able to fix whatever problems we currently face.

Are those supposed to be counters? You can't place any blame for the housing bubble and lack of any action on him? He's not the only one, but he was Capitan of the ship when it went aground. His party was solidly behind deregulation which permitted the over leveraging oinn the first place.

Then you post up "cheap shots" with the debt, but the largest driver of the debt was the economic cluster f kicked off under Bush.

Bush 2x the debt. Surplus to deficit. Gas went from ~$1.20 to over $4.00 before the meltdown, Dow was a net loss, net higher unemployment, net loss in wages & wealth,etc etc.

Name one indicator that was overall a positive under Bush? I can make a bunch for Obama. It ain't all roses, but he'll leave the place better than he found it

 

[Smoblikat]

Are those supposed to be counters? You can't place any blame for the housing bubble and lack of any action on him? He's not the only one, but he was Capitan of the ship when it went aground. His party was solidly behind deregulation which permitted the over leveraging oinn the first place.

Then you post up "cheap shots" with the debt, but the largest driver of the debt was the economic cluster f kicked off under Bush.

Bush 2x the debt. Surplus to deficit. Gas went from ~$1.20 to over $4.00 before the meltdown, Dow was a net loss, net higher unemployment, net loss in wages & wealth,etc etc.

Name one indicator that was overall a positive under Bush? I can make a bunch for Obama. It ain't all roses, but he'll leave the place better than he found it

Actually if you took the time to read my post, I explicitly stated that bush was NOT innocent, but wutevs, no need to read what I wrote I guess............

As far as surplus to deficit, you should check your facts. We had a budget surplus, but we still had a national debt. We still owed trillions of dollars, but our annual budget had a surplus, which is great, but not THAT great.

Also, I love how people start off by saying "Blah blah blah how can you blame only one person blah blah blah, yet you put the majority of our debt on the actions of a single man almost a decade ago.

I dont know of anything that was a positive for bush, I was fairly young when he was in office, but I also do not know anything that was a positive for Obama either.