Bush: I screwed you all. But thanks for blaming it on the black guy

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Linux23

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Bush was either the dumbest person on the face of this planet, or the most brilliant. Being the most powerful man in the world, pushing your buddies agendas, war crimes, etc...and getting away with it scott free? I don't know whether to hate him or worship him. :p
 

doubledeluxe

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I voted for bush. I was voting with my pocket book and only looking at the tax cuts. I can admit that I made a huge mistake though and was the worst president during my lifetime. I changed from R to I and try to vote more intelligently. It has become very clear that both R and D do not serve my best interests or the country's interests overall.

When I see people above defending someone as terrible as bush I question where on the political spectrum they are. They have to be so far right that there is nothing left but to call them mentally retarded. There isn't much positive discussion to be had with someone dumb enough to be that far right or on the flip side as left as Chavez. They're just retarded.
 

DucatiMonster696

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I've read through 3 pages of this thread and I read of no one defending Bush, no one saying he was great, etc. What some have said is that blaming EVERYTHING under the sun on Bush is not in line with the reality as to how things came about under his presidency, even though his decisions in many areas were less than optimal given hind-sight. So all this article and this thread amount to is basically a "Bush is bad, Obama is GREEEEAT" circle-jerk thread where Obama's true believers insist that his brand of kool-aid is better than Bush's brand of kool-aid.
 
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Bitek

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Lol at Liberals still blaming Bush after their "chosen one" hasn't done shit in 6 years.

Aside from China, name a major economy that is out performing ours at the moment (and since the crisis) and you would like to change places with.

Obama has been a far better steward of the economy than Bush has.

It hasn't been by accident either. The choices for the stimulus, needed spending where possible and support for the central bank QE programs has been vital, despite the vocal opposition and unpopularity. History will judge this favorably.


Country or group, #2009 employment, #2014, # growth. % growth
United States, 139.9 million, 145.9 million, 5.98 million, 4.27 %
IMF: 36 advanced economies (except U.S.), 326.5 million, 332.8 million, 6.28 million, 1.92%
IMF: G7 (except U.S.), 196.1 million, 200.8 million, 4.72 million, 2.41%
 

Paratus

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As I've posted before the onion called it on the Bush presidency before he even took office. :eek:

Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over'
NEWS • Politics • Government • George W. Bush • Clinton Administration • ISSUE 43•01 ISSUE 37•01 • Jan 17, 2001


WASHINGTON, DC–Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."


President-elect Bush vows that "together, we can put the triumphs of the recent past behind us."

"My fellow Americans," Bush said, "at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us."

Bush swore to do "everything in [his] power" to undo the damage wrought by Clinton's two terms in office, including selling off the national parks to developers, going into massive debt to develop expensive and impractical weapons technologies, and passing sweeping budget cuts that drive the mentally ill out of hospitals and onto the street.

During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.

"You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?"

On the economic side, Bush vowed to bring back economic stagnation by implementing substantial tax cuts, which would lead to a recession, which would necessitate a tax hike, which would lead to a drop in consumer spending, which would lead to layoffs, which would deepen the recession even further.

Wall Street responded strongly to the Bush speech, with the Dow Jones industrial fluctuating wildly before closing at an 18-month low. The NASDAQ composite index, rattled by a gloomy outlook for tech stocks in 2001, also fell sharply, losing 4.4 percent of its total value between 3 p.m. and the closing bell.

Asked for comment about the cooling technology sector, Bush said: "That's hardly my area of expertise."

Turning to the subject of the environment, Bush said he will do whatever it takes to undo the tremendous damage not done by the Clinton Administration to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He assured citizens that he will follow through on his campaign promise to open the 1.5 million acre refuge's coastal plain to oil drilling. As a sign of his commitment to bringing about a change in the environment, he pointed to his choice of Gale Norton for Secretary of the Interior. Norton, Bush noted, has "extensive experience" fighting environmental causes, working as a lobbyist for lead-paint manufacturers and as an attorney for loggers and miners, in addition to suing the EPA to overturn clean-air standards.

Bush had equally high praise for Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft, whom he praised as "a tireless champion in the battle to protect a woman's right to give birth."

"Soon, with John Ashcroft's help, we will move out of the Dark Ages and into a more enlightened time when a woman will be free to think long and hard before trying to fight her way past throngs of protesters blocking her entrance to an abortion clinic," Bush said. "We as a nation can look forward to lots and lots of babies."

Continued Bush: "John Ashcroft will be invaluable in healing the terrible wedge President Clinton drove between church and state."

The speech was met with overwhelming approval from Republican leaders.

"Finally, the horrific misrule of the Democrats has been brought to a close," House Majority Leader Dennis Hastert (R-IL) told reporters. "Under Bush, we can all look forward to military aggression, deregulation of dangerous, greedy industries, and the defunding of vital domestic social-service programs upon which millions depend. Mercifully, we can now say goodbye to the awful nightmare that was Clinton's America."

"For years, I tirelessly preached the message that Clinton must be stopped," conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh said. "And yet, in 1996, the American public failed to heed my urgent warnings, re-electing Clinton despite the fact that the nation was prosperous and at peace under his regime. But now, thank God, that's all done with. Once again, we will enjoy mounting debt, jingoism, nuclear paranoia, mass deficit, and a massive military build-up."

An overwhelming 49.9 percent of Americans responded enthusiastically to the Bush speech.

"After eight years of relatively sane fiscal policy under the Democrats, we have reached a point where, just a few weeks ago, President Clinton said that the national debt could be paid off by as early as 2012," Rahway, NJ, machinist and father of three Bud Crandall said. "That's not the kind of world I want my children to grow up in."

"You have no idea what it's like to be black and enfranchised," said Marlon Hastings, one of thousands of Miami-Dade County residents whose votes were not counted in the 2000 presidential election. "George W. Bush understands the pain of enfranchisement, and ever since Election Day, he has fought tirelessly to make sure it never happens to my people again."

Bush concluded his speech on a note of healing and redemption.

"We as a people must stand united, banding together to tear this nation in two," Bush said. "Much work lies ahead of us: The gap between the rich and the poor may be wide, be there's much more widening left to do. We must squander our nation's hard-won budget surplus on tax breaks for the wealthiest 15 percent. And, on the foreign front, we must find an enemy and defeat it."

"The insanity is over," Bush said. "After a long, dark night of peace and stability, the sun is finally rising again over America. We look forward to a bright new dawn not seen since the glory days of my dad."
 

fskimospy

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Aside from China, name a major economy that is out performing ours at the moment (and since the crisis) and you would like to change places with.

Obama has been a far better steward of the economy than Bush has.

It hasn't been by accident either. The choices for the stimulus, needed spending where possible and support for the central bank QE programs has been vital, despite the vocal opposition and unpopularity. History will judge this favorably.


Country or group, #2009 employment, #2014, # growth. % growth
United States, 139.9 million, 145.9 million, 5.98 million, 4.27 %
IMF: 36 advanced economies (except U.S.), 326.5 million, 332.8 million, 6.28 million, 1.92%
IMF: G7 (except U.S.), 196.1 million, 200.8 million, 4.72 million, 2.41%

It's very odd that conservatives seem to be so focused on the economy, but consider the best performing economy in the developed world to be nothing.
 

bshole

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It's very odd that conservatives seem to be so focused on the economy, but consider the best performing economy in the developed world to be nothing.

It is almost as if NONE of them have ANY money in the stock market.
 

Matt1970

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It's very odd that conservatives seem to be so focused on the economy, but consider the best performing economy in the developed world to be nothing.

The economy is nothing, people are defending Bush,.......

You guys have the whole argument already in your head regardless of what people are actually saying. Let us know how it turns out.
 

Bitek

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It's very odd that conservatives seem to be so focused on the economy, but consider the best performing economy in the developed world to be nothing.

Whoa, slow down there Tex ;) They haven't come to terms with the fact that they F'd it up so badly.

Modified recovery program for the GOP:

1. recognizing a higher power that can give strength; (Facts, critical self-examination and reason) <=They are here
2. examining past errors;
3. making amends for these errors;
4. learning to live a new life with a new code of behavior;
5. helping others who suffer from the same addictions or compulsions.
 
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shira

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Aside from China, name a major economy that is out performing ours at the moment (and since the crisis) and you would like to change places with.

Obama has been a far better steward of the economy than Bush has.

It hasn't been by accident either. The choices for the stimulus, needed spending where possible and support for the central bank QE programs has been vital, despite the vocal opposition and unpopularity. History will judge this favorably.


Country or group, #2009 employment, #2014, # growth. % growth
United States, 139.9 million, 145.9 million, 5.98 million, 4.27 %
IMF: 36 advanced economies (except U.S.), 326.5 million, 332.8 million, 6.28 million, 1.92%
IMF: G7 (except U.S.), 196.1 million, 200.8 million, 4.72 million, 2.41%

Measured relative to the country's needs to improve or maintain living standards, the U.S. economy is right now outperforming China's.
 

doubledeluxe

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Aside from China, name a major economy that is out performing ours at the moment (and since the crisis) and you would like to change places with.

Obama has been a far better steward of the economy than Bush has.

It hasn't been by accident either. The choices for the stimulus, needed spending where possible and support for the central bank QE programs has been vital, despite the vocal opposition and unpopularity. History will judge this favorably.


Country or group, #2009 employment, #2014, # growth. % growth
United States, 139.9 million, 145.9 million, 5.98 million, 4.27 %
IMF: 36 advanced economies (except U.S.), 326.5 million, 332.8 million, 6.28 million, 1.92%
IMF: G7 (except U.S.), 196.1 million, 200.8 million, 4.72 million, 2.41%
This is like asking the serfs what they think about the king getting more money and how many other kings have more gold.
 

doubledeluxe

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So which economies would mist Americans want to change places with? I can think of at least a few. Let's start with Scandinavia and move on from there shall we?
 

fskimospy

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The economy is nothing, people are defending Bush,.......

You guys have the whole argument already in your head regardless of what people are actually saying. Let us know how it turns out.

So what did frowter say?
 

Matt1970

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Here is where we are so far:

conservatives ...consider the best performing economy in the developed world to be nothing
see people above defending someone as terrible as bush
most Americans want to change places with Scandinavia

You guys have both sides of this argument going here, I guess I don't even need to participate.
 

fskimospy

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I guess whatever you want him to. You guys seem to be good at making up what everyone else is saying.

Or he said this:

Lol at Liberals still blaming Bush after their "chosen one" hasn't done shit in 6 years.

It seems odd to complain about people making up what conservatives are saying while simultaneously trying to ignore what conservatives are saying.