Bush has never made any tough decisions

[Martin]

As part of the recent propaganda/pr blitz aimed at trying to clean up Bush's reputation, every conservative pundit and their loyal mindless followers have been parroting the "Bush was a tough president who made tough decisions, and history will vindicate him" line.

Making a tough decision means being faced with a tough problem with far-reaching consequences, humbly realizing that you not have all the information/expertise to be very sure of your choice, trying to educate yourself as much as possible the pros/cons of possible solutions and finally making the decision.

This, of course, could not be further from the way Bush operates and for many years many people were quite proud of that fact. He's "the decider", doesn't care much for details (experts were constantly demonized and marginalized during his tenure), nor hard work (the endless vacation and early bed times), but prefers to shot from the hip, trusting his 'gut' and instincts. His smug arrogance and self-assured ignorance, combined with his belief in his own infallibility means that not only did he ever make a tough decision, but that he will never be bothered by the pain his decisions inflicted on people.

So yes, Bush faced plenty of tough problems, unfortunately he countered with quick, simplistic, instinctive, non-thought-out decisions, which any simpleton can make, which is the real reason his presidency has been such a failure. Thankfully, even a moderately successful Obama presidency will make sure Bush's reputation never recovers.

 

[Farang]

Look man put a smile on your face it is over on Tuesday

 

[sandorski]

Pretty much.

 

[Jaskalas]

He didn?t make the decisions you wanted, so now you?re going to cry about it. Bit late, don't you think?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I'm inclined to agree with this. He was faced with tough problems and just made decisions. This is also something I didn't like about McCain. I think it was by his own admission that his strategy was always to decide as quickly as possible and deal with the fallout afterward. I like to call this type of deciding "reacting." I'm releaved we are soon to have a president that will inject reasoning into his reacting.

 

[Lemon law]

While I am inclined to agree with Martin, to merely say GWB, when faced with a decision, consistently choose the wrong choice, somewhat misses the entire point.

Because when one adds in the cause and effect assumption that right choices brings about good results and the wrong choices brings about bad results, we can't but come away with the realization that GWB&co. refused to learn from past mistakes. As he far too stubbornly clung to same failed ideology long after its was apparent that the ideology was bringing forth horrible results.

Smart people learn from past mistakes, only clueless incompetent disasters do not.

And it may be one thing to have some idiot who thinks they can jump from tall building in a single bound, and then test it out on themselves, and going splat on the sidewalk as a result. But instead we have a GWB&co who tests it out on Americans and others world wide. And as a result, we the American people pay the price, while perhaps a million or more civilians have lost their lives in the resulting brainfarts
while GWB&co remain unfazed.

 

[waggy]

damn you guys sound like babies. just get over it. he is over it is done. he does not matter anymore.

 

[spidey07]

Are you kidding me? We were attacked on our soil and the economy started tanking. And he then did EXACTLY what needed to be done - tax cuts (save economy) and engage our enemy and stop them from doing more harm. The second part is a very tough decision knowing you are sending men off to die but still knowing it had to be done.

And don't forget the changes to link various agencies via homeland security department - that was huge and a tough decision as well.

And what about the bailout bill? He hated it and it went against his principles but knew it needed to be done given the information he is privy to.

 

[Lemon law]

Spidey07 is engaging in revisionist history, the tax cuts for the rich happened long before 911.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Spidey07 is engaging in revisionist history, the tax cuts for the rich happened long before 911.

He's absolute tool. He is a republican robot, programmed to spit the same party line no matter what. I seriously have never seen him put a single thought into what he writes, it's all jingoism, party lines and rehashes of the same BS over and over. He simply cannot think for himself.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Spidey07 is engaging in revisionist history, the tax cuts for the rich happened long before 911.

You're obviously delusional and won't let facts get in the way. I'm talking about the 2003 one - JGTRRA which cut taxes for ANYBODY making over 27K.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Spidey07 is engaging in revisionist history, the tax cuts for the rich happened long before 911.

You're obviously delusional and won't let facts get in the way. I'm talking about the 2003 one - JGTRRA which cut taxes for ANYBODY making over 27K.

Tax cuts are great, but not when it causes budget deficits, especially large ones. If you cut taxes, you have to cut spending. But he did the opposite, increased spending, and enormously. The Medicare prescription drug plan was totally irresponsible. The war in Iraq was an even worse idea, albeit not as fiscally worse.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're obviously delusional and won't let facts get in the way.

The irony is delicious! :laugh:

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Smart people learn from past mistakes, only clueless incompetent disasters do not.

Then it's a wonder why Obama preaches the same exact message Karl Marx once did.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Smart people learn from past mistakes, only clueless incompetent disasters do not.

Then it's a wonder why Obama preaches the same exact message Karl Marx once did.

Ya, that is a wonder....ful active imagination you got there.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Smart people learn from past mistakes, only clueless incompetent disasters do not.

Then it's a wonder why Obama preaches the same exact message Karl Marx once did.

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That statement is somewhat conditional and is only believable by some nuts who buy the idea that Obama preaches the same ideas of Karl Marx.

I wish I could say GWB preaches the same ideas as Hoover, but at least Hoover believed in a balanced Budget while GWB has racked up the most public debt in American history. Five trillion and counting and down a rat hole, thanks GWB&co,
with friends like you, we don't need enemies.

 

[Zebo]

I agree. Bush totally operated though cheap labor conservative handlers, poor instinct and used wars and fear to parlay elections.

A tough decision requires you to give something of yourself. Bush's personality, a blue blood spoiled brat know it all, prevents such a reflection or critical thought. Can't blame him really he's incapable.

 

[DealMonkey]

Frankly, I'd like to hear what these "tough decisions" were that Bush was forced to contend with, because if you ask me, "tough decisions" sound like Bushspeak for making the WRONG decision, having everyone get pissed off at you for it, and then claiming you don't care what the public reaction is to your bad decisions, and continuing to engage in whatever activity the bad decision ultimately led to.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Frankly, I'd like to hear what these "tough decisions" were that Bush was forced to contend with, because if you ask me, "tough decisions" sound like Bushspeak for making the WRONG decision, having everyone get pissed off at you for it, and then claiming you don't care what the public reaction is to your bad decisions, and continuing to engage in whatever activity the bad decision ultimately led to.

I've already outlined the big ones.

The other is probably not pardoning the two border patrol officers, which I believe he should. But he is doing what is correct according to The Constitution and law.

 

[boomerang]

My biggest concern with the Obama administration is that he will be unable to make a decision. He'll spend so much time analyzing everything, that he'll essentially cripple himself. He strikes me as the type that needs all the information to make a decision and that's rarely practical.

His voting record shows that he would rather dodge a situation that deal with it head on. We'd better hope that he grows a pair by the 20th.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Smart people learn from past mistakes, only clueless incompetent disasters do not.

Then it's a wonder why Obama preaches the same exact message Karl Marx once did.

This is seriously some stupid shit.

Way to show everyone you have no clue what Marx wrote.

Maybe if you actually cracked a book you would realize how far out of touch you are to say that Obama is on the EXACT same message as a mid 19th century writer/Philosopher of Economics.

Obama is a politician, not a Economic philosopher.
The only aspects of politics Marx really got into is violent revolution to set up a dictatorship of the people.
Obama is not calling for the violent overthrow of our Government by GM factory workers for example, he got elected!
As far as economics I have yet to see one of you partisan righties even have a clue what he wrote about except some references to a type of Robin Hood wealth distribution..

I have NEVER heard Obama speak of any class consciousness except the Petit-bourgeois (The Middle-Class in USA) this is FUNDAMENTAL to Marx's writings.

Nor have I EVER heard Obama speak of abolishing private property, this would be so radical a statement in this consumerist society in the modern era it is unthinkable for a politician to even hint at it.

Read before you make yourself sound like a dumbass by repeating what you hear on talk radio.

Or watch The Communist Manifesto illustrated by Cartoons, it may be more your speed.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
Read before you make yourself sound like a dumbass by repeating what you hear on talk radio.

Hasn't anyone told you yet? Ignorace is strengh.

 

[smokeyjoe]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
Read before you make yourself sound like a dumbass by repeating what you hear on talk radio.

Hasn't anyone told you yet? Ignorace is strengh.

And War is Peace and Freedom is Slavery 😛

 

[Spook]

Heard this the other day, sounds very applicable to this topic...

Cheney Worked To Expand Authority, Secrecy

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Smart people learn from past mistakes, only clueless incompetent disasters do not.

Then it's a wonder why Obama preaches the same exact message Karl Marx once did.

This is seriously some stupid shit.

Way to show everyone you have no clue what Marx wrote.

Maybe if you actually cracked a book you would realize how far out of touch you are to say that Obama is on the EXACT same message as a mid 19th century writer/Philosopher of Economics.

Obama is a politician, not a Economic philosopher.
The only aspects of politics Marx really got into is violent revolution to set up a dictatorship of the people.
Obama is not calling for the violent overthrow of our Government by GM factory workers for example, he got elected!
As far as economics I have yet to see one of you partisan righties even have a clue what he wrote about except some references to a type of Robin Hood wealth distribution..

I have NEVER heard Obama speak of any class consciousness except the Petit-bourgeois (The Middle-Class in USA) this is FUNDAMENTAL to Marx's writings.

Nor have I EVER heard Obama speak of abolishing private property, this would be so radical a statement in this consumerist society in the modern era it is unthinkable for a politician to even hint at it.

Read before you make yourself sound like a dumbass by repeating what you hear on talk radio.

Or watch The Communist Manifesto illustrated by Cartoons, it may be more your speed.

Obama doesn't need a violent overthrow of the government the uninformed people of the urban areas that thought the Republicans were still in control of both houses installed a man that would send them a check and redistribute the wealth. "Make things more fair" he told a plumber from Ohio. And give them 2nd world but free healthcare. :roll: Is that liberty? Life?s not fair little libby drones. Rich people are not greedy many of them in fact most of them worked their ass off to get where they are. What's fair about the top 1% paying 40% of the tax burden?

Obama has said he would just plain take over the U.S. car companies if they didn't build cars that the people wanted. Barbara Boxer has said during a committee meeting that she would socialize the Oil industry. Lets face it Dems always have said we will take care of you! Vote for us we'll make life fair.

Bottom line is this I'm glad GWB is done but he was not the source of all ills. And the big difference between Liberals and Conservatives is that you all play the blame game and whine and moan about infringement of rights of terrorists, we true conservatives will be praying for Obama to do a good job.

Here is an easy litmus test to give politicians. If one ever says "I know better what to do with your money than you do" or by action and record does so... vote for the other guy.