Bush has never made any tough decisions

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: EXman


Obama doesn't need a violent overthrow of the government the uninformed people of the urban areas that thought the Republicans were still in control of both houses installed a man that would send them a check and redistribute the wealth.

Then it WOULD NOT BE MARXISM.

Marxism is about preventing one from using acquired private property to exploit others labor. (property)

Wealth redistribution has NOTHING to do with Marxism.

Once again, way to show your ignorance with talk radio bullshit.

Edit:
I see you went off on some anti-Democratic rant straight from limbaugh also, Marx would not approve of Obama either, as he represents nothing less then the bourgeois classes power structure by exploiting workers needs through class antagonism.

Basically what YOU just said contradicting yourself about Marxism because you have not the faintest clue what you are talking about.

In a nutshell Marxism is nothing more then a glorified anti-trust law for the working class enforced by a revolution to protect workers from the exploitative element of unfettered Capitalism, if you can wrap your head around that.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: EXman


Obama doesn't need a violent overthrow of the government the uninformed people of the urban areas that thought the Republicans were still in control of both houses installed a man that would send them a check and redistribute the wealth.

Wealth redistribution has NOTHING to do with Marxism.

Sure it does moron. Marxism is not just about Violence goober. And you yelling about it doesn't make it so.

Marxism is more a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change a and system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

Regardless Obama is a fan of "Fairness." in a classic socialist sort of way.

Dood just get a library card or open a book. Karl Heinrich Marx was a philosopher and political economist not just a revolutionary.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: EXman


Sure it does moron. Marxism is not just about Violence goober. And you yelling about it doesn't make it so.

Marxism is more a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change a and system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

Regardless Obama is a fan of "Fairness." in a classic socialist sort of way.

Dood just get a library card or open a book. Karl Heinrich Marx was a philosopher and political economist not just a revolutionary.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, try reading Marx instead of using such broad definitions as "fairness". All political and economic philosophy are based upon their idea of fairness. (I am sure we can both agree that working under a tyranny kills worker motivation to succeed.) The engine that drives fairness is the philosophy, which you are ignoring.

Example: Capitalist think fairness is "earning" to get what you "deserve".
Marxism is the criticism of the inevitable exploitation that wealth accumulation (power) creates and Marx's answer to regulating this from happening within the confines of free association. And mainly his ideas of how history shows the exploitation is divided along class structure again and again.

You are lumping together many later ideas such as Maoism with this wealth redistribution talk, which came about literally a century after Marx wrote the Manifesto.

What you are saying about Obama is akin to all cars are Model T Fords in 2008 because that was the first mass produced automobile. You are generalizing and missing the point.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: EXman


Sure it does moron. Marxism is not just about Violence goober. And you yelling about it doesn't make it so.

Marxism is more a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change a and system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

Regardless Obama is a fan of "Fairness." in a classic socialist sort of way.

Dood just get a library card or open a book. Karl Heinrich Marx was a philosopher and political economist not just a revolutionary.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, try reading Marx instead of using such broad definitions as "fairness". All political and economic philosophy are based upon their idea of fairness. The engine that drives fairness is the philosophy, which you are ignoring.

Example: Capitalist think fairness is "earning" to get what you "deserve".
Marxism is the criticism of the inevitable exploitation that wealth accumulation (power) creates and Marx's answer to regulating this from happening within the confines of free association.

funny above you said it had to do with a violent revolution.

I cannot talk to someone like you. You are see words that are not there, yell about something, call me a name and then cut and paste something that sounds semi-intelligent.

Why don't you debate me on what i say instead of what you think I mean.

Why? Sounds like you are a know-it-all. Nobody likes a know-it-all.

 

[EXman]

You know why people like you have to edit every post? you have to cover your ass.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: EXman


Sure it does moron. Marxism is not just about Violence goober. And you yelling about it doesn't make it so.

Marxism is more a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change a and system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

Regardless Obama is a fan of "Fairness." in a classic socialist sort of way.

Dood just get a library card or open a book. Karl Heinrich Marx was a philosopher and political economist not just a revolutionary.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, try reading Marx instead of using such broad definitions as "fairness". All political and economic philosophy are based upon their idea of fairness. The engine that drives fairness is the philosophy, which you are ignoring.

Example: Capitalist think fairness is "earning" to get what you "deserve".
Marxism is the criticism of the inevitable exploitation that wealth accumulation (power) creates and Marx's answer to regulating this from happening within the confines of free association.

funny above you said it had to do with a violent revolution.

I cannot talk to someone like you. You are see words that are not there, yell about something, call me a name and then cut and paste something that sounds semi-intelligent.

Why don't you debate me on what i say instead of what you think I mean.

Why? Sounds like you are a know-it-all. Nobody likes a know-it-all.

There was no cut-and-paste, it is simple Marxism, if you had actually read any of it in school you would understand instead of generalizing to say that Marxism boils down to "redistribution".

As far as being a "know-it all" I will take that as confirmation that I was wasting my time this evening debating such things with you.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
There was no cut-and-paste, it is simple Marxism, if you had actually read any of it in school you would understand instead of generalizing to say that Marxism boils down to "redistribution".

As far as being a "know-it all" I will take that as confirmation that I was wasting my time this evening debating such things with you.

Marxism has failed. The age of enlightenment failed. Stop defending failure. Obama is indeed a marxist and is following the manifesto to a tee.

All you have to do is listen to the words that bastard speaks.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: EXman
You know why people like you have to edit every post? you have to cover your ass.

Either that or I am trying to make my points a bit more clear for those who may need refreshers on a rather complicated matter and edit for clarity and laymans terms.

But if you would rather google rather obscure terms from 19th century Economic Philosophers (which I doubt anyone will) be my guest. I am down.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
There was no cut-and-paste, it is simple Marxism, if you had actually read any of it in school you would understand instead of generalizing to say that Marxism boils down to "redistribution".

As far as being a "know-it all" I will take that as confirmation that I was wasting my time this evening debating such things with you.

Marxism has failed. The age of enlightenment failed. Stop defending failure. Obama is indeed a marxist and is following the manifesto to a tee.

All you have to do is listen to the words that bastard speaks.

Thanks for your input, very profound. I am convinced now!

Not.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: EXman


Sure it does moron. Marxism is not just about Violence goober. And you yelling about it doesn't make it so.

Marxism is more a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change a and system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

Regardless Obama is a fan of "Fairness." in a classic socialist sort of way.

Dood just get a library card or open a book. Karl Heinrich Marx was a philosopher and political economist not just a revolutionary.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, try reading Marx instead of using such broad definitions as "fairness". All political and economic philosophy are based upon their idea of fairness. The engine that drives fairness is the philosophy, which you are ignoring.

Example: Capitalist think fairness is "earning" to get what you "deserve".
Marxism is the criticism of the inevitable exploitation that wealth accumulation (power) creates and Marx's answer to regulating this from happening within the confines of free association.

funny above you said it had to do with a violent revolution.

I cannot talk to someone like you. You are see words that are not there, yell about something, call me a name and then cut and paste something that sounds semi-intelligent.

Why don't you debate me on what i say instead of what you think I mean.

Why? Sounds like you are a know-it-all. Nobody likes a know-it-all.

There was no cut-and-paste, it is simple Marxism, if you had actually read any of it in school you would understand instead of generalizing to say that Marxism boils down to "redistribution".

As far as being a "know-it all" I will take that as confirmation that I was wasting my time this evening debating such things with you.

Rooar thanks for proving my point! There was no debate here. You twisting what I say excluding most of it, then tell me those same twisted words are overgeneralizing things is comic hi jinks at best.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: EXman
You know why people like you have to edit every post? you have to cover your ass.

Either that or I am trying to make my points a bit more clear for those who may need refreshers on a rather complicated matter and edit for clarity and laymans terms.

But if you would rather google rather obscure terms from 19th century Economic Philosophers (which I doubt anyone will) be my guest. I am down.

I'd call you a smart ass if you were not such a dolt.

You exhibit another well known liberal trait. Narcism.

 

[Steeplerot]

Yay for Michael Weinerboi generalizations.
Anyhow, keep supporting silly notions like "Obama is teh marxiist!111!!!"

The right marginalizes itself more and more daily with such silliness, and it deserves nothing less then scorn when such is displayed publicly.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
Yay for Michael Weinerboi generalizations.
Anyhow, keep supporting silly notions like "Obama is teh marxiist!111!!!"

The right marginalizes itself more and more daily with such silliness, and it deserves nothing less then scorn when such is displayed publicly.

That's why I hope for more of it...

/please, "righties" - keep goin'!

 

[Lemon law]

But But But, in playing with the Obama is a Marxist deflection, we are getting rather far afield from the original thread topic of GWB, the only US President that makes Marxists look good in comparison.

After all we won the cold war without firing a shot when a series of smarter Presidents showed an US capitalistic economy beat a Russian Marxist economy.

But now the GWB&co has managed to collapse the US economy, that verdict is now in some doubt.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But But But, in playing with the Obama is a Marxist deflection, we are getting rather far afield from the original thread topic of GWB, the only US President that makes Marxists look good in comparison.

After all we won the cold war without firing a shot when a series of smarter Presidents showed an US capitalistic economy beat a Russian Marxist economy.

But now the GWB&co has managed to collapse the US economy, that verdict is now in some doubt.

Although I will strongly disagree that Russia was a Marxist economy (it was a State Capitalist economy) I will not threadjack this one some more.

Anyhow, back to Bush, this is comedy gold! Bush was the biggest enemy to Capitalism yet.

Took some "series decidicating" to pull that one off I bet.

Maybe he is not so bad in the end, he may have forced the Democrats to rethink the neo-liberal pro-corporate policies of the past few decades and go back to some good old Democrat ass-kicking, FDR governing, Captialism saving unstoppable powerhouses that made this countries working class so strong.
One can be a dreamer I guess.

 

[alchemize]

Obama disagrees with you.

?I mean, I think personally he is a good man who loves his family and loves his country. And I think he made the best decisions that he could at times under some very difficult circumstances.?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Obama disagrees with you.

?I mean, I think personally he is a good man who loves his family and loves his country. And I think he made the best decisions that he could at times under some very difficult circumstances.?

It is a matter of ceremony for the incoming President not to talk smack about the former.
Usually former presidents also. But some have spoken out about Bush's failures we know.
We shall see after his term(s) if he decides to continue this.

Good try, but polishing a turd is pointless.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
There was no cut-and-paste, it is simple Marxism, if you had actually read any of it in school you would understand instead of generalizing to say that Marxism boils down to "redistribution".

As far as being a "know-it all" I will take that as confirmation that I was wasting my time this evening debating such things with you.

Marxism has failed. The age of enlightenment failed. Stop defending failure. Obama is indeed a marxist and is following the manifesto to a tee.

All you have to do is listen to the words that bastard speaks.

Marxism hasn't failed under Barrack Hussein Obama.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
There was no cut-and-paste, it is simple Marxism, if you had actually read any of it in school you would understand instead of generalizing to say that Marxism boils down to "redistribution".

As far as being a "know-it all" I will take that as confirmation that I was wasting my time this evening debating such things with you.

Marxism has failed. The age of enlightenment failed. Stop defending failure. Obama is indeed a marxist and is following the manifesto to a tee.

All you have to do is listen to the words that bastard speaks.

Marxism hasn't failed under Barrack Hussein Obama.

More please.... In fact - tell us what folks you support... Who do you find to be the best leaders on the "conservative" side of the nation right now?

/or will you do your spittle-drip-drool and run away?

*edit

//ah, you ran away to cluck another day....
///people like you Bud are the reason folks have no respect for Republicans....

 

[Zebo]

Socialism never been tried anywhere so i don't understand saying it's failed.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Socialism never been tried anywhere so i don't understand saying it's failed.

I would tend to disagree, there was the Ukraine during the Russian Revolution, Catalonian Spain during the Revolution in the 30's, and of course the Paris Communes, but all were crushed by Capitalists (usually Communists) who were scared to death of Libertarian Socialism. (in other words a truly Democratic society from bottom up)
Remember, the Libertarians were expelled from the Second Internationale by Marx himself as the Libertarians (Mikhail Bakunin (Marx's rival) namely) said that big state Communism will do nothing but create horrible dictatorships. (and that was in the 1870s, he literally foretold the coming of Stalin)

The EZLN is still pretty Socialist Libertarian you could say, and they are still active, although they are not Marxist, more like a post-modern version of syndicalist-libertarianism.
You will NOT learn about any of this in History class in the USA lol.
Anyhow, enough historical threadjacking about obscure left wing ideologies, goodnight.


Edit: oops, I meant Bakunin, not Kropotkin (Not that Kropotkin was not awesome too -these dudes all had some rockin facial hair)

 

[AFMatt]

Tough decisions? Shoooot. Being president is an easy job. Everyone knows that!
Tough decisions over the past 8 years... Pshhhh! Toughest decision was probably what color underwear to wear.
Now the last guy, he made some tough decisions. Not only did he have to choose what color underwear, but also what role his intern should play today.. Naughty nurse, sexy hooker, school teacher, cigar vendor..??? He was seriously overwhelmed by the tough choices!!!

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Are you kidding me? We were attacked on our soil and the economy started tanking. And he then did EXACTLY what needed to be done - tax cuts (save economy) and engage our enemy and stop them from doing more harm. The second part is a very tough decision knowing you are sending men off to die but still knowing it had to be done.

And don't forget the changes to link various agencies via homeland security department - that was huge and a tough decision as well.

And what about the bailout bill? He hated it and it went against his principles but knew it needed to be done given the information he is privy to.

Wow. I can't believe anyone is dumb enough to defend him. Yup, some people are idiots.

 

[blackangst1]

Based ont his thread I'd be curious to know what decision was tough for ANY president. Like, what president made a tough decision, and what was it?

 

[Fear No Evil]

I think the tough decision in this forum is going to be how long people will excuse Obama's failures by blaming them on Bush.