Bush has never made any tough decisions

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Based ont his thread I'd be curious to know what decision was tough for ANY president. Like, what president made a tough decision, and what was it?

All Presidents make tough decisions.

The thing is that when Bush made a decision, he almost consistently took the wrong decision. A decision that was not backed by research or thinking. It was almost always a gutcheck decision not based on anything substantiative. The alternative is that he chose the wrong decision on purpose, something that cannot be overruled.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Based ont his thread I'd be curious to know what decision was tough for ANY president. Like, what president made a tough decision, and what was it?

All Presidents make tough decisions.

The thing is that when Bush made a decision, he almost consistently took the wrong decision. A decision that was not backed by research or thinking. It was almost always a gutcheck decision not based on anything substantiative. The alternative is that he chose the wrong decision on purpose, something that cannot be overruled.

OK, so it isnt that he didnt make tough decisions, its that he made the wrong choice. Got it. Maybe the OP should be changed. It can become yet another I Dont Like Bush thread!

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Based ont his thread I'd be curious to know what decision was tough for ANY president. Like, what president made a tough decision, and what was it?

All Presidents make tough decisions.

The thing is that when Bush made a decision, he almost consistently took the wrong decision. A decision that was not backed by research or thinking. It was almost always a gutcheck decision not based on anything substantiative. The alternative is that he chose the wrong decision on purpose, something that cannot be overruled.

OK, so it isnt that he didnt make tough decisions, its that he made the wrong choice. Got it. Maybe the OP should be changed. It can become yet another I Dont Like Bush thread!

Bush made some good decisions too. For example, we didn't nuke anyone.

Quick somebody name another one!!! :laugh:

 

[Lemon law]

Going back a few posters in this thread, we have the statement that Marxism is basically about redistribution of wealth, to not believe that the capitalistic policies and one sided tax cuts of GWB also have a similar
redistribution of wealth effect is similarly naive. As all the few gains of the GWB economy went primarily to the already rich and the poor and the middle class were left behind. And that is not a partisan opinion, its a hard and un disputable statistical reality.

And not to dump on just GWB, all capitalistic economies can have a major or relatively minor effect of redistributing wealth, but disaster always looms when the middle class is left behind.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Going back a few posters in this thread, we have the statement that Marxism is basically about redistribution of wealth, to not believe that the capitalistic policies and one sided tax cuts of GWB also have a similar
redistribution of wealth effect is similarly naive. As all the few gains of the GWB economy went primarily to the already rich and the poor and the middle class were left behind. And that is not a partisan opinion, its a hard and un disputable statistical reality.

And not to dump on just GWB, all capitalistic economies can have a major or relatively minor effect of redistributing wealth, but disaster always looms when the middle class is left behind.

You realize the difference between distribution and redistribution right?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Zebo
Socialism never been tried anywhere so i don't understand saying it's failed.

I would tend to disagree, there was the Ukraine during the Russian Revolution, Catalonian Spain during the Revolution in the 30's, and of course the Paris Communes, but all were crushed by Capitalists (usually Communists) who were scared to death of Libertarian Socialism. (in other words a truly Democratic society from bottom up)
Remember, the Libertarians were expelled from the Second Internationale by Marx himself as the Libertarians (Mikhail Bakunin (Marx's rival) namely) said that big state Communism will do nothing but create horrible dictatorships. (and that was in the 1870s, he literally foretold the coming of Stalin)

The EZLN is still pretty Socialist Libertarian you could say, and they are still active, although they are not Marxist, more like a post-modern version of syndicalist-libertarianism.
You will NOT learn about any of this in History class in the USA lol.
Anyhow, enough historical threadjacking about obscure left wing ideologies, goodnight.


Edit: oops, I meant Bakunin, not Kropotkin (Not that Kropotkin was not awesome too -these dudes all had some rockin facial hair)

True but I meant enduring, unimpeded, and national policy. Not some hippy commune in Northern Ca. Sorry I was talking in absolutes- i have a tendancy to do that.

Of the four forms of political ideology (Aristocracy, Capitalism, Communism and Socialism) socialism has never been tried on a national level w/o being crushed. Better?

And just so I make myself clear to those trogs who like to argue Socialism and Communism are the same - They are not even close. Socialism takes many forms (from direct democracy to some form of republicanism) but it has two central tenets. Socialists argue that the workplace is the last bastion of dictatorship still in existence in Western society so the primary feature is worker ownership of production and means of production- but not necessarily all property. Secondly - everything is done by democracy. Communism, OTOH, is state owned factories and property and a brutal dictatorship over workers. In socialism workers vote for their supervisors, company policy, and representatives to regional or national congresses (if desired). Socialism must always be democratic and there is actually a full spectrum of how democratic, ranging from direct democracy at one end to republicanism at the other which is up for the people to decide by referendum.

Now I'm going to watch TheRedUnderURBed's videos..THX

 

[Lemon law]

Alchemize asks, "You realize the difference between distribution and redistribution right?"

Well er no. They tend to be the opposite side of the same coin, one acts immediately, the other more gradually, but equally inexorably. Its the golden rule, they who have the gold write the rules that rigs the game.

The GWB economy was not exactly a triumph of capitalism, it was more a case of stupid policy made worse when all governmental regulations were removed.

 

[kage69]

All Presidents make tough decisions. The thing is that when Bush made a decision, he almost consistently took the wrong decision. A decision that was not backed by research or thinking. It was almost always a gutcheck decision not based on anything substantiative. The alternative is that he chose the wrong decision on purpose, something that cannot be overruled.

Kudos to you again Omar, I couldn't agree more. :beer:



I especially feel sick every time I hear Bush refer to "going into Iraq" as some kind of tough decision, in regards to finding a peaceful solution. WTF is tough about a decision you've already made? So, you had Special Forces and local assets take over 3/4 of the country weeks before the invasion... beeeecause you were trying to avoid invading said country?

This whole admin is one treatise on what happens when agenda and ideology trump reality and science. Which is why I'm glad the next one has a brain running the show, instead of a hand.

GWBush has been this country's most prestigious and well paid announcer ever. Other than pretzels and English, he hasn't had anything tough.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: kage69

All Presidents make tough decisions. The thing is that when Bush made a decision, he almost consistently took the wrong decision. A decision that was not backed by research or thinking. It was almost always a gutcheck decision not based on anything substantiative. The alternative is that he chose the wrong decision on purpose, something that cannot be overruled.

Kudos to you again Omar, I couldn't agree more. :beer:



I especially feel sick every time I hear Bush refer to "going into Iraq" as some kind of tough decision, in regards to finding a peaceful solution. WTF is tough about a decision you've already made? So, you had Special Forces and local assets take over 3/4 of the country weeks before the invasion... beeeecause you were trying to avoid invading said country?

This whole admin is one treatise on what happens when agenda and ideology trump reality and science. Which is why I'm glad the next one has a brain running the show, instead of a hand.

GWBush has been this country's most prestigious and well paid announcer ever. Other than pretzels and English, he hasn't had anything tough.

You are an idiot if you actually believe what you just typed. Anyone who thinks GWB did not make tough decisions is really really in need of a check. The hatred you have makes you completely blind.

 

[kage69]

*yawn*


Let me guess - you voted for him? Nevermind, here's your

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Frankly, I'd like to hear what these "tough decisions" were that Bush was forced to contend with, because if you ask me, "tough decisions" sound like Bushspeak for making the WRONG decision, having everyone get pissed off at you for it, and then claiming you don't care what the public reaction is to your bad decisions, and continuing to engage in whatever activity the bad decision ultimately led to.

I've already outlined the big ones.

The other is probably not pardoning the two border patrol officers, which I believe he should. But he is doing what is correct according to The Constitution and law.

And you told two big damn lies ...

For over 6 months Bush opposed a Cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security before giving a national address proposing the creation of one

Good luck explaining that 'big one' :laugh:

And by the way, the 'Bush Tax Cuts' were primarily adopted under House Resolution 1836 first introduced on May 15, 2001, and approved 3 weeks later as part of the 2002 budget process. HR 1836 combined over 40 separate pieces of legislation pertaining to 'tax relief' .

We look forward to your explanation on that.

And you get a big epic F A I L for claiming "Bush opposed the bailout legislation" that his administration proposed (all three pages of it).

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Frankly, I'd like to hear what these "tough decisions" were that Bush was forced to contend with, because if you ask me, "tough decisions" sound like Bushspeak for making the WRONG decision, having everyone get pissed off at you for it, and then claiming you don't care what the public reaction is to your bad decisions, and continuing to engage in whatever activity the bad decision ultimately led to.

I've already outlined the big ones.

The other is probably not pardoning the two border patrol officers, which I believe he should. But he is doing what is correct according to The Constitution and law.

And you told two big damn lies ...

For over 6 months Bush opposed a Cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security before giving a national address proposing the creation of one

Good luck explaining that 'big one' :laugh:

And by the way, the 'Bush Tax Cuts' were primarily adopted under House Resolution 1836 first introduced on May 15, 2001, and approved 3 weeks later as part of the 2002 budget process. HR 1836 combined over 40 separate pieces of legislation pertaining to 'tax relief' .

We look forward to your explanation on that.

And you get a big epic F A I L for claiming "Bush opposed the bailout legislation" that his administration proposed (all three pages of it).

LOL!

You proved my point. The OP said a tough decision was using all available information to make an intelligent decision. Homeland security as you laid out proves that was a tough decision. And I already mentioned the tax cuts I was talking about. Thanks for proving my point for me.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're obviously delusional and won't let facts get in the way.

so what did iraq have to do with 9/11?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're obviously delusional and won't let facts get in the way.

so what did iraq have to do with 9/11?

Just checking have we been attacked since 9/11/02? Even though Libbys and our own media have tried to undercut our security at every turn?

I guess you are one of those give rights to terrorist guys.

 

[Lemon law]

The establishment of a Home land security department was made into a giant GWB&co. opportunity as a panicked congress was ready to sign anything without reading the fine print. But GWB&co operatives misused the opportunity to give GWB dictatorial powers in that fine print.

Who do we blame, a GOP dominated congress, or a GOP president, or just the dems who went along also?

Bottom line, the American people got screwed, lost their civil liberties, while seeing the US government losing any moral high ground, as the little boy who cried wolf became the new US image. And then lost all pretense by bringing the world Abu Ghrab and GITMO to the delight of terrorists all over the world.

 

[Kanalua]

Move On

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[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Kanalua
Move On

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A very good organization!!

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're obviously delusional and won't let facts get in the way.

so what did iraq have to do with 9/11?

Just checking have we been attacked since 9/11/02? Even though Libbys and our own media have tried to undercut our security at every turn?

I guess you are one of those give rights to terrorist guys.

uhhhh... not only is your logic flawed, you have to go out on a limb and lump me in with a certain "group" because i asked a simple question that you can't even answer. screw you jackass

 

[Kanalua]

OBEY!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Kanalua
OBEY!

Quit spamming, are you high? This is the forth post you spammed this obey crap in.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Kanalua
OBEY!

Quit spamming, are you high?

Duke Kahanamoku must be smoking some of that Maui Wowie

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Frankly, I'd like to hear what these "tough decisions" were that Bush was forced to contend with, because if you ask me, "tough decisions" sound like Bushspeak for making the WRONG decision, having everyone get pissed off at you for it, and then claiming you don't care what the public reaction is to your bad decisions, and continuing to engage in whatever activity the bad decision ultimately led to.

Try opening your eyes champ. This Presidency was 1 tough decision/crisis that festered for 20+ years after another, while the previous President had sex for 7 years.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Smart people learn from past mistakes, only clueless incompetent disasters do not.

Then it's a wonder why Obama preaches the same exact message Karl Marx once did.

Have you ever read Marx? I have, and what Obama preaches isn't even close. It's a 30 page pamphlet, go read it.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Frankly, I'd like to hear what these "tough decisions" were that Bush was forced to contend with, because if you ask me, "tough decisions" sound like Bushspeak for making the WRONG decision, having everyone get pissed off at you for it, and then claiming you don't care what the public reaction is to your bad decisions, and continuing to engage in whatever activity the bad decision ultimately led to.

Try opening your eyes champ. This Presidency was 1 tough decision/crisis that festered for 20+ years after another, while the previous President had sex for 7 years.

Just woke up, thanks for the laugh winnar. Since your a conservative ideologue, you real you just slammed 2 other conservative presidents with that statement, right?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Kanalua
OBEY!

Quit spamming, are you high?

Duke Kahanamoku must be smoking some of that Maui Wowie

Actually, I think he is smokin that Labrador.