Bush drops to new low in Poll's

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: irwincur
I would be interested in see the actual questions - you know the ones they always refuse to provide.

How dumb can you be? Heres one: On a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate President Bush's handling of the war against terror?
Heres another: On a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate President Bush's overall performance as a leader?

Oh, wait, youre looking for that ellusive "liberal bias" right? Jezus, the right has gone so far right that anything moderate is seen as left/liberal. Sad if you ask me.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Czar
cad,
are you dismissing all this?
http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

are you dismissing all this as well?
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pa/presidentialRatings.cfm

The questions that was asked.

Overall, do you approve, disapprove or have mixed feelings about the way George W. Bush is handling his job as President? (IF APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, ASK Is that strongly (approve/disapprove) or somewhat (approve/disapprove)? (IF HAVE MIXED FEELINGS OR NOT SURE, ASK If you had to choose, do you lean more toward approve or disapprove?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Czar
cad,
are you dismissing all this?
http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

are you dismissing all this as well?
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pa/presidentialRatings.cfm

Did I say I did?

Did I not specifically talk about media crated polls? Did I say I fully dismissed the "findings"?

Why no - no I didn't. However I did say that it doesn't mean much when it's a media created poll to have "news" - especially when the sampling and questions are bad.

But hey, you guys can just lap it all up without question...:roll:

CsG

What the hell do you have that backs up your opinion that this is not a valid poll?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
[ ... ]
One by one, Americans are snapping out of their trance. Bush's flock is dwindling, his so-called "political capital" evaporating. Those are the facts. Deal with it.

Woot - avoid the question - your specialty.

Yeah, right. You're nothing if not shamelessly dishonest.

"The media clearly creates "news" with these sorts of polls -no? If not - then who is creating the poll news?"

CsG

Your question is irrelevent. It is yet another of your thread-crapping duhversions. One by one, Americans are snapping out of their trance. Bush's flock is dwindling, his so-called "political capital" evaporating. Those are the facts. Deal with it.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ah yes, another media poll to have a story. :roll:

If this poll is anything like the Washington Post-ABC News poll a couple days ago it doesn't mean much. Bad samples and even worse questions.

But hey- you Bush haters can lap up the "news" created by these "news" organizations if it helps you sleep...

CsG

Ah, did I strike a nerve?

Here's a from a severe Bush hater for you to enjoy. Have fun!

Nope - just calling them like I see them. Seems I hit the nail right on the head though from what I'm seeing...

CsG

Yea, like you see them in that distorted and confused mind... or whatever is left of it...

TaB

Seeing them from reality. ie: not blinded by hatred.
Try some critical thinking for once instead of just lapping up the story the media wants to tell.

CsG

So instead of believing the bad news, you choose to beleive what? From where are you cross checking these facts?
Reading the bull sh!t off your toilet paper agian?
This is what im talking about.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Czar
What the hell do you have that backs up your opinion that this is not a valid poll?

The only logical thing...Conspiracy!...duh!
No better than BBond and his voting machines...good show CAD!

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ah yes, another media poll to have a story. :roll:

If this poll is anything like the Washington Post-ABC News poll a couple days ago it doesn't mean much. Bad samples and even worse questions.

But hey- you Bush haters can lap up the "news" created by these "news" organizations if it helps you sleep...

CsG

Im going to call you out on this one. Since you are an expert in survey design would you care to elaborate--rather than talk outta ya ass that is.

call me on what?

CsG

Are you really this dense? You claimed that this poll may contain "Bad samples and even worse questions." You gonna back that up, or are you going to continue talking outta your ass when a worthy news article/poll does not coincide with your faith in Bush.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Czar
cad,
are you dismissing all this?
http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

are you dismissing all this as well?
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pa/presidentialRatings.cfm

Did I say I did?

Did I not specifically talk about media crated polls? Did I say I fully dismissed the "findings"?

Why no - no I didn't. However I did say that it doesn't mean much when it's a media created poll to have "news" - especially when the sampling and questions are bad.

But hey, you guys can just lap it all up without question...:roll:

CsG

What the hell do you have that backs up your opinion that this is not a valid poll?

Because he doesn't like the results or the trend.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Tab

"Presidents who are low in the polls have a hard time getting Congress to go along with them," said Charles Franklin, a political scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. "He has to persuade the people in Congress to follow his legislative agenda and they're all worried about 2006."

Apparently, this does mean quite a bit....

Any comments Cad?

Yep, the lower his numbers, the less "political capital" he has to force his agenda. Bad news for the Bush faithful, great news for America.

Which is exactly why this "news" was created. But hey, it's no wonder you can't see that - you lap up their "story" without question.

CsG

Agian proving my point. Show me proof, stop yelling conspiracy if you have nothing to back it up. Im going to start being just as hard on the lefties. SHOW ME PROOF!

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Czar
cad,
are you dismissing all this?
http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

are you dismissing all this as well?
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pa/presidentialRatings.cfm

Did I say I did?

Did I not specifically talk about media crated polls? Did I say I fully dismissed the "findings"?

Why no - no I didn't. However I did say that it doesn't mean much when it's a media created poll to have "news" - especially when the sampling and questions are bad.

But hey, you guys can just lap it all up without question...:roll:

CsG

What the hell do you have that backs up your opinion that this is not a valid poll?

Because he doesn't like the results or the trend.

I'd say it's because he's a troll.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Seeing them from reality. ie: not blinded by hatred.

That's rich coming from you. You're one of the most hate-filled people here. You attack anyone and anything unflattering to your Boy George.

Try some critical thinking for once instead of just lapping up the story the media wants to tell.

From the guy who instantly, mindlessly rejects this poll solely because it doesn't support his Bush faith. Classic cognitive dissonance. Get well soon.

It's only a flesh wound.

Anyone want to start a fund for "Cad's lobotomy"?

I just hope there will be some left once we take the crap out.

I was not aware one could be lobotomized more than once?

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Seeing them from reality. ie: not blinded by hatred.

That's rich coming from you. You're one of the most hate-filled people here. You attack anyone and anything unflattering to your Boy George.

Try some critical thinking for once instead of just lapping up the story the media wants to tell.

From the guy who instantly, mindlessly rejects this poll solely because it doesn't support his Bush faith. Classic cognitive dissonance. Get well soon.

:roll: If you had an honest bone in your body you'd know that you were being dishonest...but hey that's not something people seem to accuse you of being - honest.

If what you said was true, then I'd attack myself -but that doesn't happen so you are obviously lying(or atleast willingly ignorant about the facts) about me attacking anyone who says anything bad about Bush.

:roll: Where exactly did you get where I rejected the poll "solely because it doesn't support" my "Bush faith"? WTF is "Bush faith" anyway? I clearly based my opposition to this "news" based on the fact that media polls are notoriously slanted to get the story they want to tell. The other poll a couple days ago was a great example of this and IF(which you seem to have not read) this one is the same - it should be dismissed as tripe too.

I hope someday you can control your hate and rage... someday...

CsG

Ok..... um.......
First where was the last time someone accused you of being honest? In fact ive never heard of anyone being accused of being honest, ever.
The part about you attacking yourself is just plain comedy. No one attacks their own logic, purely by the virtue that they wouldnt have said it if they knew it was wrong. That was a pretty dumb statment, that honestly i dont get. Its like saying I'm credible because i think I am. ooOOOooooo.
Good job there big guy.

 

[Stunt]

Hahaha, there's like 5 responses for every one of CAD's comments...there's no way in hell he's going to reply to all that trashing...lol.
Ah well, I guess CAD got the hint on that one...:laugh:

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Hahaha, there's like 5 responses for every one of CAD's comments...there's no way in hell he's going to reply to all that trashing...lol.
Ah well, I guess CAD got the hint on that one...:laugh:

We hit a record!

Who wants to bet he doesn't reply

 

[Darkhawk28]

The Cad ego meter must be bubbling over now. :laugh:

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

In other words, "WAAAA! WAAAAA! Reality's picking on me! WAAAAAA!". I understand why you avoid it.

:roll:

:roll: Get a clue and try reading for once. The media clearly creates "news" with these sorts of polls -no? If not - then who is creating the poll news?
If the media wants a certain outcome - would they not pick a sample that reflects that? Would they also not ask questions they want to use to create a better "story"?

Wake up bowfinger - your hate has lulled you into an irrational sleep.

CsG

"WAAAAAAAAA! I'll get you, Reality, and your little dog too! WAAAAAAA!" Get help.

One by one, Americans are snapping out of their trance. Bush's flock is dwindling, his so-called "political capital" evaporating. Those are the facts. Deal with it.

Woot - avoid the question - your specialty.

"The media clearly creates "news" with these sorts of polls -no? If not - then who is creating the poll news?"

CsG

Edit to fix your formatting

Yes it creates the news as surly as it creates the polls. Though both were somones idea, meaning someone wanted to do a poll and put it on tv, does that make the poll wrong?

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Czar
cad,
are you dismissing all this?
http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

are you dismissing all this as well?
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pa/presidentialRatings.cfm

Did I say I did?

Did I not specifically talk about media crated polls? Did I say I fully dismissed the "findings"?

Why no - no I didn't. However I did say that it doesn't mean much when it's a media created poll to have "news" - especially when the sampling and questions are bad.

But hey, you guys can just lap it all up without question...:roll:

CsG

Um.... this makes me think that you did.

;[/quote]
:roll: Get a clue and try reading for once. The media clearly creates "news" with these sorts of polls -no? If not - then who is creating the poll news?
If the media wants a certain outcome - would they not pick a sample that reflects that? Would they also not ask questions they want to use to create a better "story"?

Wake up bowfinger - your hate has lulled you into an irrational sleep.

CsG[/quote]

But maybe im wrong?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Czar
cad,
are you dismissing all this?
http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

are you dismissing all this as well?
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pa/presidentialRatings.cfm

Did I say I did?

Did I not specifically talk about media crated polls? Did I say I fully dismissed the "findings"?

Why no - no I didn't. However I did say that it doesn't mean much when it's a media created poll to have "news" - especially when the sampling and questions are bad.

But hey, you guys can just lap it all up without question...:roll:

CsG

What the hell do you have that backs up your opinion that this is not a valid poll?

I don't - thus why I said - "If this poll is anything like the Washington Post-ABC News poll a couple days ago it doesn't mean much."
If we could see the full sample info and the list of exact questions - then we could see it's validity.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ah yes, another media poll to have a story. :roll:

If this poll is anything like the Washington Post-ABC News poll a couple days ago it doesn't mean much. Bad samples and even worse questions.

But hey- you Bush haters can lap up the "news" created by these "news" organizations if it helps you sleep...

CsG

Im going to call you out on this one. Since you are an expert in survey design would you care to elaborate--rather than talk outta ya ass that is.

call me on what?

CsG

Are you really this dense? You claimed that this poll may contain "Bad samples and even worse questions." You gonna back that up, or are you going to continue talking outta your ass when a worthy news article/poll does not coincide with your faith in Bush.

I did not claim that this one may contain such - I said IF this one does like the other one did.

But hey - continue to argue about something that wasn't stated.

CsG

 

[Tab]

Here are the questions... Answer this post Cad.


Nice to see you ignoring everyone else...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Hehe -the leftists sure are up in arms that someone has the nerve to actually pose questions about the validity of media created polls. I mean why look into how the poll was laid out when it feeds your Bush-hate? :laugh:

Don't worry - I'm not worried about your dog-piling - I'm used to it here at DU-lite.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Tab
Here are the questions... Answer this post Cad.


Nice to see you ignoring everyone else...

Answer what post?

WTF are you babbling about? "ignoring"? Are you so dense you don't understand that people can't answer everyone in a timely manner when being dogpiled by morons who try to twist what one says? OH, and don't mind that WORK actually takes priority over your whining. :roll:

CsG

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Czar
cad,
are you dismissing all this?
http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

are you dismissing all this as well?
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pa/presidentialRatings.cfm

Did I say I did?

Did I not specifically talk about media crated polls? Did I say I fully dismissed the "findings"?

Why no - no I didn't. However I did say that it doesn't mean much when it's a media created poll to have "news" - especially when the sampling and questions are bad.

But hey, you guys can just lap it all up without question...:roll:

CsG

What the hell do you have that backs up your opinion that this is not a valid poll?

I don't - thus why I said - "If this poll is anything like the Washington Post-ABC News poll a couple days ago it doesn't mean much."
If we could see the full sample info and the list of exact questions - then we could see it's validity.

CsG

But then why not gather the facts on this poll after you posted your "opinion" instead of ranting on and on about it not being valid. Why not wait for the facts, or even read the links I posted about this poll before you go on and on about it not being valid ? ... why do you have to troll so much?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Tab
Here are the questions... Answer this post Cad.


Nice to see you ignoring everyone else...

Answer what post?

CsG

Reply... Post whatever you want to call it buddy...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Czar
cad,
are you dismissing all this?
http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

are you dismissing all this as well?
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pa/presidentialRatings.cfm

Did I say I did?

Did I not specifically talk about media crated polls? Did I say I fully dismissed the "findings"?

Why no - no I didn't. However I did say that it doesn't mean much when it's a media created poll to have "news" - especially when the sampling and questions are bad.

But hey, you guys can just lap it all up without question...:roll:

CsG

What the hell do you have that backs up your opinion that this is not a valid poll?

I don't - thus why I said - "If this poll is anything like the Washington Post-ABC News poll a couple days ago it doesn't mean much."
If we could see the full sample info and the list of exact questions - then we could see it's validity.

CsG

But then why not gather the facts on this poll after you posted your "opinion" instead of ranting on and on about it not being valid. Why not wait for the facts, or even read the links I posted about this poll before you go on and on about it not being valid ? ... why do you have to troll so much?

I did not claim it was not "valid". That's where you and the others are arguing against something that doesn't exist.
Asking for demographics and actual poll questions is not claiming that they aren't valid. But hey - twist away! :roll:

CsG