Burn the Confederate Flag Day?!

[ayabe]

It's not about tolerance, stars and bars are in fact a symbol of treason and shouldn't be celebrated by anyone.

 

[Red Dawn]

The progressive, "tolerant" left are some of the most hateful, racist people on earth.

This ought to be good. Please elaborate.

 

[Throckmorton]

The progressive, "tolerant" left are some of the most hateful, racist people on earth.

I'm on the left and I'm not tolerant of secessionists, slave-ists, and racists.

In the revisionist rightwinger's mind, that makes ME a hateful racist? PCFAIL

 

[Red Dawn]

I'm on the left and I'm not tolerant of secessionists, slave-ists, and racists.

In the revisionist rightwinger's mind, that makes ME a hateful racist? PCFAIL

You forget, he said on earth

 

[her209]

LMAO @ Spidey trying to paint everyone with the same brush he is stained with from head to toe. The only fact is the people on the same side of the coin as you wish you would STFU already and stop costing them more votes.

Spidey is a Teatard.

 

[MovingTarget]

It seems that they neither understand the Tea Party, or the South. The Tea Party doesn't really have the symbolism associated with a former nation or current political party. Perhaps torching GOP banners? Seems like they could be doing things more...productive...to oppose the teabaggers. Pissing on Southerners does little to promote that agenda. There are plenty of people down here opposed to the Tea Party and what they stand for. If they would stop with the anti-Southern agenda, we would have a lot of common ground to move forward on.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I'm all for burning Confederate flags, Nazi insignia, Taliban flags, etc. They are all symbols of evil regimes and deserve nothing less.

You right wingers can take your politically correct revisionism and shove it up your asses.

You obviously know nothing about the South during the Civil War.
I guess you would rather support the North and their segregated units than the Souths intergrated units. You think the Union was so high and mighty? The Civil War originally wasn't about slavery. It was about States Rights and the freedom from an oppressive government. It wasn't about slavery until the North used it to drum up support from the sheeple.
In the South, Slavery was already on the decline, and they knew it couldn't continue.

Of course people like you think everyone in the South was a slave owner and beat them any chance they could get. In reality, only 1.5% of the population of the United States at the time owned slaves. And don't think it's because they were Southerners. The only reason people in the North didn't have a higher concentration was because it wasn't economically viable to do so, due to the cost of clothing and protecting slaves during the winter months, and that there wasn't very much quality land to have farms and plantations on.

I propose we have a burn the Union Flag day as they are known in the South as the Northern Agressors.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

It seems that they neither understand the Tea Party, or the South. The Tea Party doesn't really have the symbolism associated with a former nation or current political party. Perhaps torching GOP banners? Seems like they could be doing things more...productive...to oppose the teabaggers. Pissing on Southerners does little to promote that agenda. There are plenty of people down here opposed to the Tea Party and what they stand for. If they would stop with the anti-Southern agenda, we would have a lot of common ground to move forward on.

But that's what Liberals do. They clump people into groups and labels and banners and thus anyone that somewhat resembles that fits.
The party of tolerance is the most intolerant group there is.

 

[highland145]

You obviously know nothing about the South during the Civil War.
I guess you would rather support the North and their segregated units than the Souths intergrated units. You think the Union was so high and mighty? The Civil War originally wasn't about slavery. It was about States Rights and the freedom from an oppressive government. It wasn't about slavery until the North used it to drum up support from the sheeple.
In the South, Slavery was already on the decline, and they knew it couldn't continue.

Of course people like you think everyone in the South was a slave owner and beat them any chance they could get. In reality, only 1.5% of the population of the United States at the time owned slaves. And don't think it's because they were Southerners. The only reason people in the North didn't have a higher concentration was because it wasn't economically viable to do so, due to the cost of clothing and protecting slaves during the winter months, and that there wasn't very much quality land to have farms and plantations on.

I propose we have a burn the Union Flag day as they are known in the South as the Northern Agressors.

:thumbsup:

 

[Red Dawn]

But that's what Liberals do. They clump people into groups and labels and banners and thus anyone that somewhat resembles that fits.
The party of tolerance is the most intolerant group there is.

Like you don't do the same thing?

 

[Red Dawn]

The Civil War originally wasn't about slavery. It was about States Rights .

Yeah.. the right to own slaves.

 

[her209]

You obviously know nothing about the South during the Civil War.
I guess you would rather support the North and their segregated units than the Souths intergrated units. You think the Union was so high and mighty? The Civil War originally wasn't about slavery. It was about States Rights and the freedom from an oppressive government. It wasn't about slavery until the North used it to drum up support from the sheeple.
In the South, Slavery was already on the decline, and they knew it couldn't continue.

Of course people like you think everyone in the South was a slave owner and beat them any chance they could get. In reality, only 1.5% of the population of the United States at the time owned slaves. And don't think it's because they were Southerners. The only reason people in the North didn't have a higher concentration was because it wasn't economically viable to do so, due to the cost of clothing and protecting slaves during the winter months, and that there wasn't very much quality land to have farms and plantations on.

I propose we have a burn the Union Flag day as they are known in the South as the Northern Agressors.

This explains the next 100 years in the South. Got it.

 

[Throckmorton]

You obviously know nothing about the South during the Civil War.
I guess you would rather support the North and their segregated units than the Souths intergrated units. You think the Union was so high and mighty? The Civil War originally wasn't about slavery. It was about States Rights and the freedom from an oppressive government. It wasn't about slavery until the North used it to drum up support from the sheeple.
In the South, Slavery was already on the decline, and they knew it couldn't continue.

Of course people like you think everyone in the South was a slave owner and beat them any chance they could get. In reality, only 1.5% of the population of the United States at the time owned slaves. And don't think it's because they were Southerners. The only reason people in the North didn't have a higher concentration was because it wasn't economically viable to do so, due to the cost of clothing and protecting slaves during the winter months, and that there wasn't very much quality land to have farms and plantations on.

I propose we have a burn the Union Flag day as they are known in the South as the Northern Agressors.

The South seceded after Lincoln won the election, specifically because Lincoln wanted to ban slavery from the new states. The "state's rights" you're talking about would be the right to own slaves. Period. I have no idea what YOU think the South considered "government oppression".

It amazes me how successful the pro-secession revisionists have been...

 

[rudder]

what a bunch of morons. they clearly do not know the history of the confederate flag and WTF DOES THE CONFEDERATE FLAG HAVE TO DO WITH THE TEA PARTY!!!

Statistically there is likely a bigoted racist fool who is associated with the Tea party. Add the fact that we have a black president in office and you will see why the confederate flag has everything to do with the tea party.

 

[MovingTarget]

But that's what Liberals do. They clump people into groups and labels and banners and thus anyone that somewhat resembles that fits.
The party of tolerance is the most intolerant group there is.

Isn't that what you are doing here? Liberals tend to see more in shades of grey, something that they constantly get called out on much like moral relativism. People who accept that different nuances and complexities exist in any group are more likely to have a complete picture of what is going on. That isn't a liberal or conservative trait. I will agree with you that many of the people that preach tolerance can themselves be quite intolerant themselves, especially compared to the people they speak out against when confronted with the same situation. Race is but one example.

 

[ayabe]

You obviously know nothing about the South during the Civil War.
I guess you would rather support the North and their segregated units than the Souths intergrated units. You think the Union was so high and mighty? The Civil War originally wasn't about slavery. It was about States Rights and the freedom from an oppressive government. It wasn't about slavery until the North used it to drum up support from the sheeple.
In the South, Slavery was already on the decline, and they knew it couldn't continue.

Of course people like you think everyone in the South was a slave owner and beat them any chance they could get. In reality, only 1.5% of the population of the United States at the time owned slaves. And don't think it's because they were Southerners. The only reason people in the North didn't have a higher concentration was because it wasn't economically viable to do so, due to the cost of clothing and protecting slaves during the winter months, and that there wasn't very much quality land to have farms and plantations on.

I propose we have a burn the Union Flag day as they are known in the South as the Northern Agressors.

Talk about revisionist bullshit........jesus tapdancing mohammad christ.

 

[Throckmorton]

Maybe you should read the actual declarations of secession, JeffreyLebowski
http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution.

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.

By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments.

They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a 'higher law' than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.

They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.

 

[Moonbeam]

But that's what Liberals do. They clump people into groups and labels and banners and thus anyone that somewhat resembles that fits.
The party of tolerance is the most intolerant group there is.

You are lumping liberals with labels. Did you notice or are you just brain dead. Don't answer. I think I just answered my own question.

 

[MotF Bane]

You obviously know nothing about the South during the Civil War.
I guess you would rather support the North and their segregated units than the Souths intergrated units. You think the Union was so high and mighty? The Civil War originally wasn't about slavery. It was about States Rights and the freedom from an oppressive government. It wasn't about slavery until the North used it to drum up support from the sheeple.
In the South, Slavery was already on the decline, and they knew it couldn't continue.

Of course people like you think everyone in the South was a slave owner and beat them any chance they could get. In reality, only 1.5% of the population of the United States at the time owned slaves. And don't think it's because they were Southerners. The only reason people in the North didn't have a higher concentration was because it wasn't economically viable to do so, due to the cost of clothing and protecting slaves during the winter months, and that there wasn't very much quality land to have farms and plantations on.

I propose we have a burn the Union Flag day as they are known in the South as the Northern Agressors.

Wwwoooowww. So what is your educational background?

 

[Generator]

[size=+4]The south lost the war!!![/size]
[size=+4]Burn the traitorous flag!!![/size]

 

[BudAshes]

Lets just give the south to mexico, then I wouldn't ever have to hear about another confederate flag story again.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Babbles

"and consider myself a Texan first and foremost followed by a Southerner"

Where does this come from?

I was born in PA which has all kinds of significant history. I've always considered myself an American first.

The flag burner just seems like a nutcase.

Another comment "that liberals lump people together" is hilarious for reasons the poster probably doesn't get. lol

 

[ebaycj]

I came across this on Facebook: http://sites.google.com/site/burnrebelflagday/

I think I am sorta pissed about this. I think most Tea Party people are crazy, but this seems like a really dumb way to "get even" with them. My first thought was what about those people who are proud Southerners but also Democrats in opposition to the Tea Party?

I am all for freedom of speech and support the notion of burning flags as the rightful exercise of that speech. However due to the powerful imagery evoked in these exercises of free speech, the burning of a flag should be reserved for the most significant of issues to protest.

I was raised and lived in Texas for 25 years of my life and consider myself a Texan first and foremost followed by a Southerner. I realize that many people have the Confederate Flag due to racial issues, however I also do realize that some people like the Stars and Bars simply because of Southern pride. As someone who is proud to be from the South I do take some offense to this proposed flag burning even though I also do think the Tea Baggers are crazy. As such I do not think this is the best way to protest the Tea Party and cultivate an united front against them - many Republicans do not like the Tea Party and this is a sure-fire way of alienating them.

What makes you so proud of the place you were born?

 

[ebaycj]

All forms of pride exist because of self hate. One feels worthless and substitutes belonging to some external worthy as a substitute for self respect. We attach to externals because we feel worthless as individuals.

Aha, Moonbeam beat me to it.

 

[Throckmorton]

What makes you so proud of the place you were born?

There's nothing wrong with taking pride in being from the South, or anywhere else. But what is wrong is taking pride in your history of slavery and secession to preserve slavery.