Bump Stock Ban is in Effect

[Paratus]

From some reading about bump stocks, the Rate Of Fire although increased is much lower then then real Full-Auto. Low enough to have a great deal of control.

Did you watch the video I linked on the previous page?

Even if the rate of fire is slower than full auto it is much faster than semi-auto. It’s fast enough that it probably doesn’t make a difference.

 

[Jhhnn]

From some reading about bump stocks, the Rate Of Fire although increased is much lower then then real Full-Auto. Low enough to have a great deal of control.

Perfect for a nice civilian massacre!

 

[whm1974]

Did you watch the video I linked on the previous page?

Even if the rate of fire is slower than full auto it is much faster than semi-auto. It’s fast enough that it probably doesn’t make a difference.

I think that being more controllable would make a big difference.

 

[Greenman]

Perfect for a nice civilian massacre!

22's have range and are cheap to operate, but they don't have real stopping power. The perfect weapon for a close quarters massacre would be a street sweeper, but it's probably illegal to even think about owning one.
https://otbfirearms.com/cobray-street-sweeper/

 

[Muse]

Thing is, bump stocks are only part of the problem of gun people being able to turn guns into automatic weapons. There are many workarounds for a bump stock ban. This became known immediately after the Las Vegas massacre.

 

[whm1974]

22's have range and are cheap to operate, but they don't have real stopping power. The perfect weapon for a close quarters massacre would be a street sweeper, but it's probably illegal to even think about owning one.
https://otbfirearms.com/cobray-street-sweeper/

On the contrary a Full Auto .22 is quite effective due to very good controllablity. They will eat through body armor and steel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180

 

[Muse]

Obama had no stomach to do anything difficult.

No, just Obamacare. Trump can't do shit but complain saying "who knew health care would be so complicated?" Now he's trying to torpedo Obamacare again. That guy can do nothing more than cover himself with shame... continually.

 

[Greenman]

On the contrary a Full Auto .22 is quite effective due to very good controllablity. They will eat through body armor and steel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180

I knew they would punch through a second chance vest, I assume steel would require some pretty tight grouping.

 

[whm1974]

I knew they would punch through a second chance vest, I assume steel would require some pretty tight grouping.

I recall from reading reviews of Full-Auto American 180 was completely capable of doing exactly that due to both a high fire rate and good grouping.

 

[Jhhnn]

22's have range and are cheap to operate, but they don't have real stopping power. The perfect weapon for a close quarters massacre would be a street sweeper, but it's probably illegal to even think about owning one.
https://otbfirearms.com/cobray-street-sweeper/

I knew they would punch through a second chance vest, I assume steel would require some pretty tight grouping.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/m855a1-cartridge-actually-causes-explosion-ballistics-gel/

During Vietnam, Russia did her own work evaluating the 5.56 round & upgraded their new model AK74 to a similar 5.45x39mm round. It's a necked down version of their older 7.62x39mm round.

 

[whm1974]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/m855a1-cartridge-actually-causes-explosion-ballistics-gel/

During Vietnam, Russia did her own work evaluating the 5.56 round & upgraded their new model AK74 to a similar 5.45x39mm round. It's a necked down version of their older 7.62x39mm round.

There a big difference between the .22LR and small caliber/high velocity cartridges with heaver bullets.

 

[Jhhnn]

There a big difference between the .22LR and small caliber/high velocity cartridges with heaver bullets.

So what? The market for bump stocks was in AR's & AK's.

 

[whm1974]

So what? The market for bump stocks was in AR's & AK's.

And both of them are available in .22 LR.

 

[whm1974]

Please note I'm hope that I'm not coming across as an expert on Full Auto Weapons or even Firearms. I'm not, as I haven't even been around any guns much less owned/fired any for at 10 years.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

On the contrary a Full Auto .22 is quite effective due to very good controllablity. They will eat through body armor and steel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180

This doesn't make much sense to me. My dad set up steel targets in our backyard at various distances. We shot a TON of .22 at those targets over the years and the bullets didn't do anything more than splat on the steel. I'm not saying I don't believe the article; I'm saying it is very surprising. Maybe my grouping sucked

 

[whm1974]

This doesn't make much sense to me. My dad set up steel targets in our backyard at various distances. We shot a TON of .22 at those targets over the years and the bullets didn't do anything more than splat on the steel. I'm not saying I don't believe the article; I'm saying it is very surprising. Maybe my grouping sucked

Aren't steel targets made from hard/tool steel? If I can recall the last time I've even held a small one was at least an half a inch thick and and fairly heavy. And that was meant for .22lr and low velocity handgun cartridges.

 

[Maxima1]

On the contrary a Full Auto .22 is quite effective due to very good controllablity. They will eat through body armor and steel.

A semi-auto centerfire rifle is significantly more effective.

22's have range and are cheap to operate, but they don't have real stopping power. The perfect weapon for a close quarters massacre would be a street sweeper, but it's probably illegal to even think about owning one.
https://otbfirearms.com/cobray-street-sweeper/

A rifle is better for massacre. Shotgun shells are fat.

Aren't steel targets made from hard/tool steel? If I can recall the last time I've even held a small one was at least an half a inch thick and and fairly heavy. And that was meant for .22lr and low velocity handgun cartridges.

it's still weak. it takes some shots to pick apart a golf ball.

The muzzle energy of 5.56 NATO vs. .22 LR is approximately 1300-1400 ft-lbs vs. 120-180 ft-lbs. Big difference.

 

[whm1974]

A semi-auto centerfire rifle is significantly more effective.



A rifle is better for massacre. Shotgun shells are fat.



it's still weak. it takes some shots to pick apart a golf ball.

The muzzle energy of 5.56 NATO vs. .22 LR is approximately 1300-1400 ft-lbs vs. 120-180 ft-lbs. Big difference.

I well aware of the difference. And I know how dangerous they can be as well if handled improperly.

 

[Maxima1]

I well aware of the difference. And I know how dangerous they can be as well if handled improperly.

Okay. But the original post is still strange to me to talk about it as something super effective against people with soft and/or metal armor. From your own link:

Despite the low power of the .22 LR round, testing demonstrated that automatic fire could penetrate even concrete and bulletproof vests from cumulative damage.[citation needed] However, the target would have to remain still for some amount of time to allow the cumulative damage to amass in the same area to achieve this.[citation needed]

 

[whm1974]

Okay. But the original post is still strange to me to talk about it as something super effective against people with soft and/or metal armor. From your own link:

Despite the low power of the .22 LR round, testing demonstrated that automatic fire could penetrate even concrete and bulletproof vests from cumulative damage.[citation needed] However, the target would have to remain still for some amount of time to allow the cumulative damage to amass in the same area to achieve this.[citation needed]

Yeah but the American 180 at least with its high Rate Of Fire and controllabilty can get fair number of hits at a moving target. With at least one case that I'am aware of of a police office stopping moving car with one that killed the driver and badly injured the passenger in the early '70s.

 

[whm1974]

@Maxima1 Do I sound I'm talking straight out of my ass about this?

 

[IronWing]

Do I sound I'm talking straight out of my ass about this?

This is a Post Reply confirmation question that should pop up on all our P&N posts.

 

[whm1974]

This is a Post Reply confirmation question that should pop up on all our P&N posts.

I do make efforts to avoid being dogmatic on anything I post.

 

[Luna1968]

I for one felt a huge weight lifted off my shoulders knowing that every potential mass shooter turned in their bumbpstock

 

[Indus]

I for one felt a huge weight lifted off my shoulders knowing that every potential mass shooter turned in their bumbpstock

Do you have a brain or just a tumor so you can't comprehend english?